Big Tits Matter.

[dutch508]

BainsBane (34,306 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027365740

Racism is


Many things, but one of its most insidious manifestations is when white people claim victimhood because of the color of their skin.

My ancestors were not subject to slavery; they have not been subjected to lynching, Jim Crow, and systematic voter disenfranchisement. Therefore my race, the white race, is not a victim of racism. Someone says something you don't like about white people, you may take offense. You may have every right to be angry, but you are not the victim of racism. Your whiteness, my whiteness, makes us privileged. I bear that racial privilege despite growing up on welfare. While disadvantaged economically, I benefited from white privilege. Having white skin does not make us victims. To pretend it does is in fact a manifestation of racism, one that trivializes the profound inequality that has structured this nation since its foundation and continues to result in the second-class citizenship, even death. When a white person pretends that their discomfort is in any way comparable to that, they trivialize racism, its violence and power.

The notion of racism against whites emerged in reaction to the Civil Rights movement and Affirmative Action. It has its origins in extremist, White Power groups that promoted that ideology, which then filtered into the right-wing media and now has gone mainstream among "progressives," whose use of that concept has sullied the word "progressive." It is part of a backlash against growing racial inclusion and the ascendancy of African Americans to positions like the presidency. Such rhetoric denies history, denies socio-cultural reality, and works to maintain the racist system of inequality it pretends to be a victim of.

bravenak (18,688 posts)
1. Some like to pile on african american and harass them and bully them and then play the victim when that black person gets angry and decides to be done with their crap. Many seem to think they can treat us any way they want and we should accept it as our due. I have noticed how some will harass the same person one by one, each taking a turn insulting them and then calling them stupid for getting angry with all of the insults and the charges of REVERSE RACISM. It almost seems that some consider black people to be the real racists if they speak out about racism at all.

 

Prism (4,839 posts)
8. Racism is racism

Bigotry, abuse, discrimination, or assault based on race.

Collectively, there is no such thing as racism against white people.

Collectively, there is widespread racism against ethnic communities in America.

Individually, there can be racism committed between one individual and another.

A white person may be the victim of racism if the abuse they are suffering is directed towards them based solely on their racial heritage.

This NewSpeak definition of racism is always trotted out when someone individually commits racism, but they want to be excused from their behavior based on collective experiences.

It does not diminish racism to use this NewSpeak. It calcifies it and generates new resentments. When, for example, we have black students in Dartmouth abusing and assaulting white students while screaming racial invective, to then turn around and defend that with, "Well, they're not being racist!" how many white people witnessing that do you think are being taught anything? How many white people, do you suppose, are slapping their foreheads and going, "Of course! It can't possibly be racism at all. Thank you for educating me!"

Let me help you - Zero to none.

We have terms that already adequately describe the collective racial problem in America - white privilege and institutional racism.

By claiming only white people can be racist, you are not only not striving for unity, you are actively inserting a crobar into the situation to keep people separated and resentful.

Your NewSpeak definition sucks and is unhelpful.

But, to be honest, I'm not sure being helpful is really the point of any of this. Not. At. All.

You can't be racist against white people because... Potato...

BainsBane (34,306 posts)
11. The newspeak is casting whites as victims of racism

Racism emerged as an ideology to justify slavery. There is nothing new about discussing racism in terms of subjugation and oppression.
What is new is the right-wing argument claiming whites are victim of racism. As I said, it emerged from White Power hate groups and has gone mainstream.

It is the equivalent of saying I as a straight person am oppressed by having to see gay people around me. It is the same as equating homophobia, which is systemic discrimination that results even in murder, with a straight person's discomfort. It is like saying the bakers who have to make cakes for gay people are as discriminated against as the gay men and women killed in hate crimes.

As for your help, I don't need it. I have an academic background in this subject. I also am not so obtuse to claim that pointing about that white victimhood is a fiction is "driving a wedge," when the function of the discourse of white victimhood is to maintain the permanent subjugation of people of color.

BainsBane (34,306 posts)
14. I had ancestors who were indentured servants

That is how my father's side came to this country. However, their servitude was not permanent.

When I talk about white privilege, I mean race alone. As I pointed out, it does not mean all forms of privilege. I noted that I grew up on welfare, disadvantaged economically. That doesn't mean I didn't reap certain benefits from being white, however.
The word privilege isn't the point, however. My post is in response to a rather concerning increase in arguments among "progressives" that they are subject to racism. It is unseemly and false. It also works to deny the real, structural racism that continues to take hundreds of black lives in this country every year.

Donald Ian Rankin (12,689 posts)
19. No. For now, racism still means racism. I'm aware that you, and a minority of other people, would like to change the meaning of the word to "Racism by white people against non-white people".

And maybe some day you will succeed, although I hope not.

But to pretend that its meaning *has already changed*, just because a few people are using it in a different sense and calling everyone else who uses it to mean what it has always meant names, is simply wrong.

Android3.14 (3,715 posts)
24. Racism IS many things

And one of those things is that persons of any race can express the trait.

Just as members of one religion can subjugate members of another, and then in a different context see the roles reversed, so it is true for members of racial groups.

The fallacy that you are expressing here is the notion that the way to make things equal is to switch the roles and punish the privileged race in the same way that the victim race is currently experiencing.

Bigotry is bigotry, and the most insidious kind of bigot is the man or woman who does not realize he or she is a bigot.

Politely telling someone that they should just shut up and accept the bigotry from a (insert color here) person because, after all, they are (insert a different color here) is, in fact, the behavior of a racist.

That might be why some folks keep revisiting the "can non-whites be racists" aspect of this issue. They are subconsciously expressing the dissonance of their own racist behavior as it bumps up against their expressed beliefs that racism is bad.

The novels Animal Farm and The Wave and the classic Brown Eye classroom experiment show how easy it is for the current victims of bigotry to become that which they hate.

[67 Rover]

BainsBane (34,306 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027365740

Racism is


Many things, but one of its most insidious manifestations is when white people claim victimhood because of the color of their skin.

My ancestors were not subject to slavery; they have not been subjected to lynching, Jim Crow, and systematic voter disenfranchisement. Therefore my race, the white race, is not a victim of racism. Someone says something you don't like about white people, you may take offense. You may have every right to be angry, but you are not the victim of racism. Your whiteness, my whiteness, makes us privileged. I bear that racial privilege despite growing up on welfare. While disadvantaged economically, I benefited from white privilege. Having white skin does not make us victims. To pretend it does is in fact a manifestation of racism, one that trivializes the profound inequality that has structured this nation since its foundation and continues to result in the second-class citizenship, even death. When a white person pretends that their discomfort is in any way comparable to that, they trivialize racism, its violence and power.

The notion of racism against whites emerged in reaction to the Civil Rights movement and Affirmative Action. It has its origins in extremist, White Power groups that promoted that ideology, which then filtered into the right-wing media and now has gone mainstream among "progressives," whose use of that concept has sullied the word "progressive." It is part of a backlash against growing racial inclusion and the ascendancy of African Americans to positions like the presidency. Such rhetoric denies history, denies socio-cultural reality, and works to maintain the racist system of inequality it pretends to be a victim of.

Yea tell that to the Irish.

[CollectivismMustDie]

Yea tell that to the Irish.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boO4RowROiw[/youtube]

 

Seriously though, if PHDD would just stick to talking about things she actually knows about, we'd all be better off.

And she'd be very quiet.


CMD

[Skul]

JUGGS!!
Show us dem hooters, babe!

[delilahmused]

BainsBane (34,306 posts)
14. I had ancestors who were indentured servants

That is how my father's side came to this country. However, their servitude was not permanent.

When I talk about white privilege, I mean race alone. As I pointed out, it does not mean all forms of privilege. I noted that I grew up on welfare, disadvantaged economically. That doesn't mean I didn't reap certain benefits from being white, however.
The word privilege isn't the point, however. My post is in response to a rather concerning increase in arguments among "progressives" that they are subject to racism. It is unseemly and false. It also works to deny the real, structural racism that continues to take hundreds of black lives in this country every year.

To my knowledge slavery wasn't permanent either. Still, being given admission to a college you're not qualified to attend or a job/promotion you didn't earn because you have a particular skin pigment isn't a kind of privilege. Good to know!

Cindie

[franksolich]

Seriously though, if PHDD would just stick to talking about things she actually knows about, we'd all be better off.

And she'd be very quiet.

Hear, hear. 

[FlaGator]

That seemed like a huge pile of male cow manure.

[Ptarmigan]

BainsBane (34,306 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027365740

Racism is


Many things, but one of its most insidious manifestations is when white people claim victimhood because of the color of their skin.

My ancestors were not subject to slavery; they have not been subjected to lynching, Jim Crow, and systematic voter disenfranchisement. Therefore my race, the white race, is not a victim of racism. Someone says something you don't like about white people, you may take offense. You may have every right to be angry, but you are not the victim of racism. Your whiteness, my whiteness, makes us privileged. I bear that racial privilege despite growing up on welfare. While disadvantaged economically, I benefited from white privilege. Having white skin does not make us victims. To pretend it does is in fact a manifestation of racism, one that trivializes the profound inequality that has structured this nation since its foundation and continues to result in the second-class citizenship, even death. When a white person pretends that their discomfort is in any way comparable to that, they trivialize racism, its violence and power.

The notion of racism against whites emerged in reaction to the Civil Rights movement and Affirmative Action. It has its origins in extremist, White Power groups that promoted that ideology, which then filtered into the right-wing media and now has gone mainstream among "progressives," whose use of that concept has sullied the word "progressive." It is part of a backlash against growing racial inclusion and the ascendancy of African Americans to positions like the presidency. Such rhetoric denies history, denies socio-cultural reality, and works to maintain the racist system of inequality it pretends to be a victim of.

So says the perpetual victim. 

[98ZJUSMC]

I'm not going to go through the entire lecture, you uneducated doorknobs.  Here's the essentials:

[obumazombie]

Virtually every race ever to live on earth has been enslaved.
I guess libs like jugs haven't ever learned that little fact.
Not to mention even in todays day and age people in some parts of the world are yet being enslaved.
But it's not really slavery that libs care about, it's the agenda that is enabled by play of the slave and racism card.


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[SVPete]

Yea tell that to the Irish.

Tell that to the Germans whose parents or grandparents were in the US a hundred years ago. Note the hyperlinks at the bottom of that webpage.

Tell that to the Italians, some of whom were interned during WW2.

That the MSM and public "education" don't speak to these things doesn't mean they didn't happen. Isn't it "funny" how the people so bent on painting the US as a racist hell-hole skip over violence and discrimination against European immigrants. It's almost as if there's an agenda underlying their selectivity.

[SVPete]

BTW, that "picture" purporting to show the Pope looking at that black woman's ample breasts looks like a poorly done fauxtoshop. For example, some one has their hand on the Pope's right arm, but where's the person to whom that hand belongs? And why is there shadow on the left side of her face, but not on the left side of the Pope's face.

FWIW, I'm not a Catholic, practicing or lapsed. Nor am I anything close to an expert of photography or digital picture editing. The fauxtoshop is just that poorly done, and I like showing agendized lies for what they are.

[98ZJUSMC]

Virtually every race ever to live on earth has been enslaved.
I guess libs like jugs haven't ever learned that little fact.
Not to mention even in todays day and age people in some parts of the world are yet being enslaved.
But it's not really slavery that libs care about, it's the agenda that is enabled by play of the slave and racism card.

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*ding!*   *ding!*   *ding!*   

[98ZJUSMC]

BTW, that "picture" purporting to show the Pope looking at that black woman's ample breasts looks like a poorly done fauxtoshop. For example, some one has their hand on the Pope's right arm, but where's the person to whom that hand belongs? And why is there shadow on the left side of her face, but not on the left side of the Pope's face.

FWIW, I'm not a Catholic, practicing or lapsed. Nor am I anything close to an expert of photography or digital picture editing. The fauxtoshop is just that poorly done, and I like showing agendized lies for what they are.

It is, ... and you're right.

[Wineslob]

Big Tits Matter.

Yes, yes they do. 

[franksolich]

I'm not going to go through the entire lecture, you uneducated doorknobs.  Here's the essentials:

Oh my.  I didn't know this stuff, and the odds are, if franksolich didn't know this, probably Lamond, MrsCorpio, doesn't either.

John Casor (surname also recorded as Cazara and Corsala), a servant in Northampton County in the Virginia Colony, in 1655 became the first person of African descent in Britain's Thirteen Colonies to be declared as a slave for life as the result of a civil suit. In an earlier case, John Punch was the first man documented as a slave in the Virginia Colony, sentenced to life in servitude for attempting to escape his indenture.

In one of the earliest freedom suits, Casor argued that he was an indentured servant who had been forced by Anthony Johnson, a free black, to serve past his term; he was freed and went to work for Robert Parker as an indentured servant. Johnson sued Parker for Casor's services. In ordering Casor returned to his master, Johnson, for life, the court both declared Casor a slave and sustained the right of free blacks to own slaves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Casor

[dutch508]

BTW, that "picture" purporting to show the Pope looking at that black woman's ample breasts looks like a poorly done fauxtoshop. For example, some one has their hand on the Pope's right arm, but where's the person to whom that hand belongs? And why is there shadow on the left side of her face, but not on the left side of the Pope's face.

FWIW, I'm not a Catholic, practicing or lapsed. Nor am I anything close to an expert of photography or digital picture editing. The fauxtoshop is just that poorly done, and I like showing agendized lies for what they are.

Oh, for ****'s face. This isn't the Oswald photos. It's supposed to be funny.

and the only PG-13 photo I could find after googling "Big Tits Matter"

[miskie]

BTW, that "picture" purporting to show the Pope looking at that black woman's ample breasts looks like a poorly done fauxtoshop. For example, some one has their hand on the Pope's right arm, but where's the person to whom that hand belongs? And why is there shadow on the left side of her face, but not on the left side of the Pope's face.

FWIW, I'm not a Catholic, practicing or lapsed. Nor am I anything close to an expert of photography or digital picture editing. The fauxtoshop is just that poorly done, and I like showing agendized lies for what they are.

Yeah its fake -- but its funny

[SVPete]

Oh, for ****'s face. This isn't the Oswald photos. It's supposed to be funny.

and the only PG-13 photo I could find after googling "Big Tits Matter"

Sorry dutch, I mistook the pic for something PainsPane had posted. I've become convinced that at least some DU-folk are dumb enough to think that pic genuine and post it on DU.

[CollectivismMustDie]

I can't decide.

PHDD, or BTM (big tits madder)


 


CMD

[Big Dog]

I can't decide.

PHDD, or BTM (big tits madder)


 


CMD

BTM has my vote!

Sorry, Alex.

 

[BlueStateSaint]

BTM has my vote!

Sorry, Alex.

 

I'm with you, BD.

[67 Rover]

BTM has my vote!

Sorry, Alex.

 

I am partial to "All tits matter". 

[Big Dog]

I am partial to "All tits matter". 

Well, maybe not the 'golf ball in a tube sock' tits

[AprilRazz]

I resent the use of the term 'white people'. Do all white people look alike to them or something? That is a microagression that I will not let stand. I thought DU was supposed to be a safe space free from that kind of hurtful language. There are Irish, Slavs, Northern Italians, Swedes and so on and so forth. As a biologically Scottish/Native American I demand to be referred to by the actual race I identify with. So from now on please refer to me as a Japanese/Mongolian/Antartican American.