Doctors, Hospitals Say 'No' to Obamacare Plans

[Texacon]

Here's a fun one!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027317811

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 05:07 AM

PoliticAverse (13,722 posts)

Doctors, Hospitals Say 'No' to Obamacare Plans

   
Government health officials worked diligently this year to improve consumer experience on Healthcare.gov and make sure people know what they are getting for their money when they pick health insurance. But one thing is out of the government's control: whether doctors and hospitals will agree to accept patients who buy these plans.

Surveys and data are limited, so it's difficult to gauge the extent of the issue, but anecdotal evidence from patients and providers show it is a struggle. Some newly insured patients wonder whether it's worth paying for coverage they can't actually use. Even when they do find a provider, reports show they face crippling out-of-pocket costs they didn't expect.

Doctors or hospitals may be left out of insurance networks for many reasons; the decision is usually up to the insurance company, not the provider, but it usually comes down to reimbursement, which can be lower through plans obtained via the Obamacare marketplace.

"We have no idea what the plans are paying," says David Howard, professor in the department of health policy and management at Emory University. "That's closely guarded information. We can only draw conclusions based on anecdotal reports."

Read the rest at: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/04/doctors-hospitals-wont-accept-obamacare-marketplace-plans

Um, you think maybe the bolded part is DEDUCTIBLES they didn't figure they would have to pay with their FREE insurance?!  LOL

Ya gotta love how people have no problem cutting into 'others' salaries.  I mean ... wouldn't you receiving $10 for providing me the $1,000 you're wanting to charge me be better than me getting the service and forcing you to get a bill collector after me?!

mercuryblues (2,903 posts)

5. So hospitals

prefer to get $0.00 reimbursement, instead of what the ACA will pay. They want to go back to the good old days of bad debt and bill collectors. 

I've ran into that quite a bit in real estate.  AFTER you find the seller the buyer the seller wants to renegotiate the commission.  Seller; "So, I could let my listing expire and sell it to these people and pay you nothing, OR you could take 2% off your commission and I'll do the deal with you!"

How charming, thanks for reneging on the deal we signed.


Now we have a DUmmie whose wife is an EVIL CAPITALIST!!

taught_me_patience (4,743 posts)

9. Here in Cali, Blue Cross ACA plans are reimbursing 20% less

No wonder doctors are not taking it. My wife is a GP and she's about to notify her patients that she'll be dropping the ACA plans. People do not do the same amount of work for 20% less revenue, which translates to 50% less income.

And the jealous/envious DUmmie ... but I repeat myself;

underahedgerow (547 posts)

11. The gravy train is coming to an end. The days of yachts and lion safaris are soon

to be over for US medical professionals, and that's a good thing. A doctor should be in the medical profession to provide medical care, not to get rich.

The average doctor in France makes about 60K a year. A decent, ordinary living wage. But their education was paid for by the state, not by massive student loans. So that doctor doesn't need to make a million bucks a year to pay off their loans.

And, they still make house calls. Go figure.

Fun stuff!

KC

[Bad Dog]

They all want their free stuff while bitching about others receiving decent pay for their work.  The level of greed and self absorption these morons exhibit is depressing.

[FaC]

underahedgerow (547 posts)

11. The gravy train is coming to an end. The days of yachts and lion safaris are soon

to be over for US medical professionals, and that's a good thing. A doctor should be in the medical profession to provide medical care, not to get rich.

The average doctor in France makes about 60K a year. A decent, ordinary living wage. But their education was paid for by the state, not by massive student loans. So that doctor doesn't need to make a million bucks a year to pay off their loans.

And, they still make house calls. Go figure.

If s/h/it (underahedgerow) is actually working I wonder how much they would appreciate somebody telling them ...you should be in the ??? profession to provide ???, not to get rich.

Of course I realize that this is just a thought experiment since s/h/it is probably living in mom's basement subsisting on her Cheetos and beer.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

These two SHOULD be in a catfight

taught_me_patience (4,743 posts)

9. Here in Cali, Blue Cross ACA plans are reimbursing 20% less

No wonder doctors are not taking it. My wife is a GP and she's about to notify her patients that she'll be dropping the ACA plans. People do not do the same amount of work for 20% less revenue, which translates to 50% less income.

The DUmmie below is telling the DUmmie above his wife is a greedy SOB.

underahedgerow (547 posts)

11. The gravy train is coming to an end. The days of yachts and lion safaris are soon

to be over for US medical professionals, and that's a good thing. A doctor should be in the medical profession to provide medical care, not to get rich.

The average doctor in France makes about 60K a year. A decent, ordinary living wage. But their education was paid for by the state, not by massive student loans. So that doctor doesn't need to make a million bucks a year to pay off their loans.

And, they still make house calls. Go figure.

[Texacon]

They all want their free stuff while bitching about others receiving decent pay for their work.  The level of greed and self absorption these morons exhibit is depressing.

We need to get them to realize their free shit is no different than a salary.  It figures in ...

Oh what the hell am I saying.  LOL!  Never mind!

KC

[thundley4]

A doctor should be in the medical profession to provide medical care, not to get rich.

If s/h/it (underahedgerow) is actually working I wonder how much they would appreciate somebody telling them ...you should be in the ??? profession to provide ???, not to get rich.

Of course I realize that this is just a thought experiment since s/h/it is probably living in mom's basement subsisting on her Cheetos and beer.

An actor should be there to entertain us, not get rich.

The most egregious example I can come up with though is this: A politician should run for office to serve the voters not to enrich themselves.

[Duke Nukum]

The DUmmie Underground is there to heard the most vile and insane Democrats into the same pen so they can be more easily controlled, not so that Skinner can take his family on exorbitant vacations off the selling of heart-shaped emoticons.

[SVPete]

Well, this is moronic:

mercuryblues (2,903 posts)

5. So hospitals

prefer to get $0.00 reimbursement, instead of what the ACA will pay. They want to go back to the good old days of bad debt and bill collectors.

  Like hospitals might not refuse non-emergency treatment to some one unable and otherwise unable to pay?   Like everyone one whose insurance was refused would refuse to pay?

  The more government @#$%s with the marketplace the more @#$%ed up it gets!

[Chris_]

"The only long-term solution to America's health care crisis is a single-payer national health care program." -- Bernie Sanders

"Woman left in 'unrelenting pain' for 15 years after NHS failed to carry out simple scan" -- The Telegraph

[seahorse513]

I will be honest and say I am on ACA myself. When I let go, I had no choice, was that or Cobra, and they were quoting over $365.00!! I am still paying 218.00 , but the deductible is lower. I mean I couldn't let my health go, while I was/am trying to get on my feet.

[BlueStateSaint]

I will be honest and say I am on ACA myself. When I let go, I had no choice, was that or Cobra, and they were quoting over $365.00!! I am still paying 218.00 , but the deductible is lower. I mean I couldn't let my health go, while I was/am trying to get on my feet.

But the thing is that you don't take pride in that fact.  There are times that you do what you have to do to get back on your feet.  No big deal.

[Wineslob]

What was that loophole? Oh ya, Doctors taking only CASH.     You asked for it morons. 

[Skul]

I will be honest and say I am on ACA myself. When I let go, I had no choice, was that or Cobra, and they were quoting over $365.00!! I am still paying 218.00 , but the deductible is lower. I mean I couldn't let my health go, while I was/am trying to get on my feet.

Seahorse!! Haven't seen you in a long time.

[jukin]

mercuryblues (2,903 posts)

5. So hospitals

prefer to get $0.00 reimbursement, instead of what the ACA will pay. They want to go back to the good old days of bad debt and bill collectors. 

Another trait of super HIGH IQ people is a basic lack of math skills.

Patient comes in and costs the hospital/doctor $10,000 to treat. Hospital/doctor receives $2000.00 reimbursement. Hospital/doctor is -$8,000.

Hospital/doctor does not accept patient so now. hospital/doctor still has $8,000 in their pocket.

For super HIGH IQ lurkers, that means the hospital/doctor now has $8,000 in their pocketbook. So yeah, $0.00 reimbursement by not taking patient makes them $8000 more than taking the reimbursement.

[jb2u11]

Another trait of super HIGH IQ people is a basic lack of math skills.

Patient comes in and costs the hospital/doctor $10,000 to treat. Hospital/doctor receives $2000.00 reimbursement. Hospital/doctor is -$8,000.

Hospital/doctor does not accept patient so now. hospital/doctor still has $8,000 in their pocket.

For super HIGH IQ lurkers, that means the hospital/doctor now has $8,000 in their pocketbook. So yeah, $0.00 reimbursement by not taking patient makes them $8000 more than taking the reimbursement.

I would suggest not confusing the primitives with general math, one of them could snap and be in the news.

[I_B_Perky]

taught_me_patience (4,743 posts)

9. Here in Cali, Blue Cross ACA plans are reimbursing 20% less

No wonder doctors are not taking it. My wife is a GP and she's about to notify her patients that she'll be dropping the ACA plans. People do not do the same amount of work for 20% less revenue, which translates to 50% less income.

Piss poor moling here.  Starts out by saying here in Cali... which tells the dummies it is a liberal... which is good. But then does not dangle any carrots in front of the dummies before going straight to the clue bat.  Should have said the wifey* GP, which gets a little dummie love for being a female, would be even better if the dummie was a female, has lots and lots of student debt first. Should have said that she can not afford to take 20 percent less or she would have to work at Mikey D's. Should have railed against the evil banks about interest. Then should have bitched about how her all lesbian female office workers have student debt. Then should have subtly hit the dummies with the clue bat.

I could go on and on. There really is no point though. Piss poor moling.   

I can and do categorically deny that this is one of my moles.

*Assuming wifey is a female and assuming the dummie is a male