gasbag Lamond's sick and tired

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027316457

Oh my.

Guess who's not out doing what he promised he'd do.

MrScorpio (63,585 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:01 PM

Democrats need to start turning out the vote in off year elections…
 
Bring it to bear as we do during the presidential season.

I have no idea why we make it so difficult on ourselves, by not turning out the vote. Allowing the right to gain an advantage in off years, allowing them to take both state houses, legislatures and Congress only gives them the tactical high ground.

Our turn-out for 2016 may allow us to regain the Senate as well as keep the White House, but we have to reiterate that those are not the only important elections. Every election is important.

Unless we act accordingly, our absence in off-years will only let the wingers fill the vacuum.

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of being treated like a political minority, especially when we always tell ourselves that we are actually the majority. 

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (12,350 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:02 PM

1. Gee, I wonder how we could do that....
 
Maybe better candidates, who act like Democrats, and not like Republicans from a few decades back?

Fumesucker (42,200 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:11 PM

4. That was exactly what I thought word for word when I saw the OP title
 
Gee, I wonder how we could do that...

I know, beat up the liberals, hippies are always in season.

Bluenorthwest (38,389 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:20 PM

5. That helps, but elections are not just about candidates, are they?
 
This week for example I was an actual, literal single issue voter. One question on my ballot. No candidates. So your comment does not even apply to all elections.

I offer then that it helps a lot to make it easier to vote. The States that have better turnout have better voting systems and laws. Some have same day registration, some vote by mail, some have automatic registration at DMV, while others have long lines, short hours, video machines, voter ID checks and a single voting day. I get my ballot for two weeks.

Look it up. States with higher turnout have easier voting. They also tend to have better and more Democratic governments.

Also good candidates, good propositions to draw voter interest, but more participation also causes better candidates and better initiatives. An alert electorate raises the game.

randys1 (11,703 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:03 PM

2. When teaparty presidents and senators and local state assemblyman start killing Women
 
and stopping Black from voting in bigger numbers than now

When teaparty starts making it illegal to say out loud you are Gay, then and only then the base will pay more attention.

It would help to get people out if everywhere you looked you didnt see some person saying how both parties are the same 

Bluenorthwest (38,389 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:10 PM
response to randys1 above

3. I find your extremist rhetoric to be uncalled for, to say the least.
 
Among other things, LGBT, African Americans and women not only vote more regularly but more Democratically than your own segment as it is. We are paying attention. 

angrychair (1,125 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:35 PM

6. All politics is local
 
We need a canidiate and a cause that goes a different direction, if my choices are light grey and dark grey, what the hell do I care who wins.

If I tell people I need your taxes dollars for this thing or that thing and it never happens or takes years and more tax dollars and the benefit is not as visible anymore, it makes me less inclined to believe you next time you need my money or effort.

Our candidates have to matter. They have to be different. We need to refocus our efforts at the town, county and state levels.

All politics is local

Win the hearts and minds at a town, county and state level, you win them at a federal level. Talk to people, listen to people and be accountable to people.

I am a progressive. Ask me why.

[98ZJUSMC]

randys1 (11,703 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:03 PM

2. When teaparty presidents and senators and local state assemblyman start killing Women
 
and stopping Black from voting in bigger numbers than now

When teaparty starts making it illegal to say out loud you are Gay, then and only then the base will pay more attention.

It would help to get people out if everywhere you looked you didnt see some person saying how both parties are the same

Just for you, you flaming dicksmoking cretin:



Black.  Female. REPUBLICAN. Tea Party activist.

Once again, that's:  Black.  Female. REPUBLICAN. Tea Party activist.   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/04/meet-jenean-hampton-the-first-black-person-to-be-elected-to-statewide-office-in-kentucky/?postshare=3481446661687610

Bluenorthwest (38,389 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:10 PM
response to randys1 above

3. I find your extremist rhetoric to be uncalled for, to say the least.
 
Among other things, LGBT, African Americans and women not only vote more regularly but more Democratically than your own segment as it is. We are paying attention.

[thundley4]

MrsCorpio
Frankly, I'm sick and tired of being treated like a political minority, especially when we always tell lie to ourselves that we are actually the majority.

FIFY

[txradioguy]

randys1 (11,703 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:03 PM

2. When teaparty presidents and senators and local state assemblyman start killing Women
 
and stopping Black from voting in bigger numbers than now

When teaparty starts making it illegal to say out loud you are Gay, then and only then the base will pay more attention.

Hey Douchebag the Rolex Shill...guess what?  A black female who also happens to be the chairwoman of the Bowling Green Southern Kentucky Tea Party just became the Lt. Governor of Kentucky.  She's got two degrees...including an MBA.

The ONLY reason you have the presidency right now...which is really the only important office that a Dem holds in the U.S. anymore...is because our national leadership wants to play footsie with the Dems and completely ignore the base that is slowly but surely wiping out the scourge of Liberalism where ever and whenever they can.

[txradioguy]

A fun little stat that should make the DUmmies feel even worse right about now:

Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats.

[Ken8521]

A fun little stat that should make the DUmmies feel even worse right about now:

Under President Obama, Democrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats.

and healthcare has risen dramatically, national debt is now in something our great, great, great, grandchildren will be dealing with... I'm not sure how much more hope and change we can stand.

but they always pull their trump card on this stuff.... "Bush's fault!"

[Carl]

Dead people don`t vote as much in off year elections and that hurts dumbocrats.

[SVPete]

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of being treated like a political minority, especially when we always tell ourselves that we are actually the majority.

  I don't think MrS typed what he intended in this statement.

randys1 (11,703 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:03 PM

2. When teaparty presidents and senators and local state assemblyman start killing Women
 
and stopping Black from voting in bigger numbers than now

When teaparty starts making it illegal to say out loud you are Gay, then and only then the base will pay more attention.

  Day-yum this dude's been smoking or drinking or otherwise ingesting some really bad $#|&! With paranoia like that it must be really hard for r1 to venture his nose out his front or garage door in the AM.

[FiddyBeowulf]

MrScorpio (63,585 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:01 PM

Democrats need to start turning out the vote in off year elections…
 
Bring it to bear as we do during the presidential season.

I have no idea why we make it so difficult on ourselves, by not turning out the vote. Allowing the right to gain an advantage in off years, allowing them to take both state houses, legislatures and Congress only gives them the tactical high ground.

Democrat votes cost money, votes for smokes and all that. That money needs to be saved to drag Hillary over the finish line in the primaries and the general.

[USA4ME]

Oh, this is too good.

haele

21. It's a brain - driven dilema. Conservitives tend to herd together to attack what they don't like.
 
Who gathers together in active mobs, feeding each other's fear into a rage to destroy "the enemy"? Conservatives, radicals, and the sociopaths that know that the easy way to power is to prey on people who want to keep the status quo. It's different, it doesn't follow the rules, Mommy, Daddy - make it go away!
 
Conservatives will vote against something or someone at a higher rate than they will vote for something or someone. Conservatives have a small, orderly world with set social and economic roles, and they will vote to keep it that way, even if it hurts them and takes away a possible future as part of a larger world. Their desire for order are more important than their actual needs to survive.

Progressives and most non-radicals tend to vote for things that please or positively affect them, that fall in line with their aspirations. They look for something to support. If a person or subject doesn't interest them, they won't expend the energy to support it.

OK, typical clap-trap things they've convinced themselves are true in order to feel superior. It's what they do.

But after a rant about how conservatives are the ones who will vote against something rather than be motived to vote for something, and how liberals/progressives won't bother voting if there's nothing there to support, we get this.

Me, I vote, even if I have to hold my nose and pick the lesser of two weasels. I don't trust the electorate as far as I can throw them, and don't like to leave all of my future in their hands just because I'm not at least 75% behind what or who is on the ballot.

I like to be able to at least be making a protest vote, with the idea that I could be the difference between ensuring that the sludge doesn't seep out of the sewers too much to clean up if a few actual progressives or progressive policies start being put in place.

We get the same primitive admitting that they will vote against something rather than be motived to vote for something; the very thing this dolt just claimed is what conservatives do. This kook immediately went to the "lesser of two evils" card.

These idiots can't even keep up with their own beliefs from one paragraph to another.

.

[Chris_]

haele

21. It's a brain - driven dilema. Conservitives tend to herd together to attack what they don't like.
 
Who gathers together in active mobs, feeding each other's fear into a rage to destroy "the enemy"?

It's almost as if Occupy Wall Street never happened in his world.

[Duke Nukum]

randys1 (11,703 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:03 PM

2. When teaparty presidents and senators and local state assemblyman start killing Women
 
and stopping Black from voting in bigger numbers than now

You are not just a moron, not just a ****ing moron, but a fear-warmongering, ****ing moron.

When has this ever happened?

Oh that's right, you are a lying, fear-warmongering, ****ing moron.

You disgust...

[Patriot Guard Rider]

It's almost as if Occupy Wall Street never happened in his world.

BLM also comes to mind.

[thundley4]

BLM also comes to mind.

Exactly, the BLM crowd have all the Dim candidates kowtowing to them.

[Ptarmigan]

randys1 (11,703 posts)    Wed Nov 4, 2015, 05:03 PM

2. When teaparty presidents and senators and local state assemblyman start killing Women
 
and stopping Black from voting in bigger numbers than now

When teaparty starts making it illegal to say out loud you are Gay, then and only then the base will pay more attention.

Proof?

[andrewjbo]

I hate people with political ignorance.

[txradioguy]

I hate people with political ignorance.

The folks at DU?

[Carl]

Progressives and most non-radicals tend to vote for things that please or positively affect them, that fall in line with their aspirations. They look for something to support.

Which is why you half wits slobber over anyone who promises you free shit.

[Zathras]

haele

21. It's a brain - driven dilema. Conservatives Liberals tend to herd together to attack what they don't like.
 
Who gathers together in active mobs, feeding each other's fear into a rage to destroy "the enemy"? Conservatives Liberals, radicals, and the sociopaths that know that the easy way to power is to prey on people who want to keep the status quo. It's different, it doesn't follow the rules, Mommy, Daddy - make it go away!
 
Conservatives Liberals will vote against something or someone at a higher rate than they will vote for something or someone. Conservatives Liberals, have a small, orderly world with set social and economic roles, and they will vote to keep it that way, even if it hurts them and takes away a possible future as part of a larger world. Their desire for order are more important than their actual needs to survive.

Progressives Conservatives and most non-radicals tend to vote for things that please or positively affect them, that fall in line with their aspirations. They look for something to support. If a person or subject doesn't interest them, they won't expend the energy to support it.

There you go DUmbass. Now your drek reflects the truth and not the drug addled rant you posted on the septic tank of the internet DU.

[Big Dog]

angrychair

If I tell people I need your taxes dollars for this thing or that thing and it never happens

If you ever try to reach into my wallet because you need my money (tax dollars or otherwise), you'll pull back a bloody stump.

Consider yourself warned, cocksucker.

[andrewjbo]

The folks at DU?

It seems to me that most everyone falls into that statement. 

[txradioguy]

It seems to me that most everyone falls into that statement.

I assume you're including yourself in that broad brush statement?

More specifically...what has been said here by anyone that would lead you to this conclusion?

[andrewjbo]

At times I do include myself. As for what in the thread that has been said. Just the views on a whole. In my expirence people are more apt to bash all people, not the ones that are responsible. Or they like someone because they made a statement the clicked with them. Nevermind that the rest of what they state is goes against what is right. I'm just tired of all the bickering.  People have failed to remember that the politics have to follow us, there is nothing stated anywhere that we have to follow them. Instead of complaining about one or the other stand up and make a change. If the people would lead, the leaders will follow. Unfortunately we have become so lazy that we let them step all over us with promises of gold covered shit.

[txradioguy]

At times I do include myself. As for what in the thread that has been said. Just the views on a whole. In my expirence people are more apt to bash all people, not the ones that are responsible. Or they like someone because they made a statement the clicked with them. Nevermind that the rest of what they state is goes against what is right. I'm just tired of all the bickering.  People have failed to remember that the politics have to follow us, there is nothing stated anywhere that we have to follow them. Instead of complaining about one or the other stand up and make a change. If the people would lead, the leaders will follow. Unfortunately we have become so lazy that we let them step all over us with promises of gold covered shit.

That makes for a nice fluffy Facebook post that will get lots of likes from people who don't know politics.  But we do tend to follow things a little more closely than whomever is on your friends list.

What's wrong with our criticism or comments on what the idiot Libtards at DU are saying?  You made the charge...detail for us what you mean.

[andrewjbo]

I never said anything was wrong with the criticism, I stated that I hate people with political ignorance. As for facebook I don't have one. Thank you. If my initial statement offended, maybe It hit a little close to home. Just saying.