Typical leftist response to 'Robber killed by citizen with concealed carry gun.'

[dutch508]

The stepson of a 55-year-old suspected robber shot dead Saturday night at a Southwest Side store by a customer with a concealed carry license expressed anger, frustration and doubt about the incident Sunday.

Killed was Reginald Gildersleeve, 55, of the 5000 block of South California Avenue, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office. Gildersleeve was pronounced dead at 7:10 p.m. on the scene in the 2700 block of West 51st Street, according to the medical examiner's office.

Police had said earlier he'd been shot in the chest. An autopsy slated for Sunday will determine the cause and manner of Gildersleeve's death.

Gildersleeve's stepson told reporters Sunday that he doubted the police account that Gildersleeve was shot while attempting to rob the store.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141248591

bowens43 (15,458 posts)
2. the 'customer' should be going to prison..........

Why? It sounds like they saved three people.

Star Member WhiteTara (14,185 posts)
7. murder? Concealed carry isn't a license to be a vigilante.

 

christx30 (3,464 posts)
18. How would you define a vigilante?

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Someone that doesn't call the police, but takes the law into their own hands?

There wasn't a cop around. There was no way of calling them. This was a bad guy that out on parole was reportedly taking employees into the back of the store. Is there any situation where that turns out well for the employees. So the customer did the right thing, unless you think the lives of the employees are a small price to pay for Mr. Gildersleeve's life.

Here's his rap sheet, by the way. He sure seemed to love stealing for people. Maybe this was the job that he would graduate to murder.
http://mugshots.com/US-Counties/Illinois/Cook-County-IL/Reginald-Gildersleeve.239925.html
I see offenses range from Forgery to possession of a controlled substance, to burglary to theft. He decided to enter into a dangerous occupation, and it turned out bad for him.
Glad no innocent people were killed.

mwrguy (2,106 posts)
5. Killed for having a toy gun

Nobody has said it was a fake gun, btw... still robbing a store with a fake gun? not genius level thinking...

of course it was Chicago. Odds are there wasn't anyone around with a real gun. Too bad odds weren't on Reggie's side.

heaven05 (11,123 posts)
31. Tamir Rice, this guy same difference, kill the black person FIRST, then ask questions and/or fit narrative around concocted BS story. To a lot of a certain type/culture of american citizen in this country, black life is cheap and disposable.

 

GGJohn (7,215 posts)
41. Update.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-concealed-carry-20151101-story.html

"Police say charges are unlikely against a licensed concealed-carry gun owner who shot and killed a robbery suspect after he threatened a worker with what turned out to be a paint gun in Gage Park on the Southwest Side over the weekend.

"The Chicago Police Department is wrapping up its investigation and charges do not appear likely," the department said in a statement."

It turns out it was a paint gun, which look very real, and the CPD is saying that charges are unlikely, the video backs up the customer's story.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Oops. Don't worry- DU will change it's narrative.

procon (2,100 posts)
56. Raise your hand if you think The Chicago Police Department gives a damn

about another dead black man. Its an easy out for the shoot first, ask questions later crowd, a quick solution all tidied up with some generalized legalese to sooth the concerned and appraise the gunists.

When the state starts endorsing these precrime executions like this man, or Tamir Rice and Trayvon Martin example, who's next? Where does gun violence end, maybe when the next "good guy with a gun" is killed by some other "good guy with a gun"? No, I doubt it, because some overwrought gun proselytizer will come up with a sterling defense of the Gun God.

He was in the middle of a robbery with a look-a-like gun, DUmbass.

procon (2,100 posts)
77. When people with guns can do whatever they want just because they have guns, good or bad, the outcome is the same. The mere speculation that Gildersleeve might have done this or could have done that, is the same excuse cited to excuse the deaths of Rice and Martin. Robbery is not a capital crime. When death is delivered due to a suspicion of some possible future crime, the pettiness of arguing that it was "right" is inconsequential compared to the continuing long term destruction that escalating gun violence has on our society.

 

heaven05 (11,123 posts)
44. right according to you. Means nothing to me. Could be a concocted story. Could be BS. You don't know, you were not there. I will believe when I see the store cams, from an independent source, otherwise, NEVER. Have a good day.

Cameras show he was robbing the store with what looked very much like a handgun. Will you post an apology?

heaven05 (11,123 posts)
47. No

my main point is, black life is cheap and hated in this country by many at all class levels. I will not apologize for the truth.

 

24601 (3,484 posts)
55. I've never wondered how the Secret Service would react if someone pulled a toy gun in the presence the President.

You have any doubt that they would take the same actions as if it were real?

Freddie Stubbs (29,257 posts)
39. Gildersleeve had a lengthy arrest record

Court records, however, reveal another side of Gildersleeve. They show he had been arrested at least half a dozen times dating back to the 1980s. Several arrests had to do with narcotics, but most of the incidents involved theft or robbery. He was in and out of prison, with burglary convictions as recent as 2005.

more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/02/concealed-gun-owner-fatally-shoots-suspected-robber-during-chicago-stick-up/

Beaverhausen (21,998 posts)
48. Any of those punishable by death?

A toy gun. Yep.

Robbery with a deadly weapon. Yup.

Darb (1,222 posts)
52. The shooter hit the gun-humper lotto it looks like. Got to kill a somebody and will get away with it. I bet he creamed his jeans. It's a dream come true, especially if the guy that got killed was a black man, then he probably had multiple orgasms.

you are a sick SOB

[Patriot Guard Rider]

I just got done reading that thread. Plenty of pro-2A people commented, namely saristaka and DonP, but there is no shortage of criminal defenders.

Liberals disgust me.

[DUmpsterDiver]

It takes willful ignorance to deny someone self defense.  In my case a magistrate, DA and 1st Detective got fired for such a tact. 

It pays to use your brain for something other than a drug repository.

[thundley4]

heaven05 (11,123 posts)
47. No

my main point is, black life is cheap and hated in this country by many at all class levels. I will not apologize for the truth.

Black thugs on democrat plantations, aka ghettos, aka subsidized housing projects have been killing each other and innocent people for years, but let one honest citizen kill a thug and DU is outraged. 

Black lives aren't cheap. Just ask Planned Parenthood how much they make taking black lives and selling the body parts.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Black thugs on democrat plantations, aka ghettos, aka subsidized housing projects have been killing each other and innocent people for years, but let one honest citizen kill a thug and DU is outraged. 

Black lives aren't cheap. Just ask Planned Parenthood how much they make taking black lives and selling the body parts.

  H5 given and deserved.

[Carl]

Good riddance.

[Texacon]

This guy, the hero, stopped a mass killing with a firearm. That's why they're pissed. They didn't get the carnage they needed to rail against our protected right to own and carry firearms.

Suck it DUmmies!  The good guys won, AGAIN!  Unfortunately for you it happens more than you want people to know.

KC

[txradioguy]

mwrguy (2,106 posts)
5. Killed for having a toy gun

Killed for trying to knock off a corner store.

[Ken8521]

Good riddance.

Agreed.

Oddly enough, the gun issue does seem to divide DU... While a lot of that thread is the typical moonbat liberal response.. there are some folks who aren't blinded by their own hate.

[diesel driver]

Killed for trying to knock off a corner store.

Killed for trying to knock off a corner store, with a toy gun, when he should have had a real gun.

Killed for being stupid, wonder what his DU name was?   

[freedumb2003b]

I just got done reading that thread. Plenty of pro-2A people commented, namely saristaka and DonP, but there is no shortage of criminal defenders.

Liberals disgust me.

Let their families be on the wrong end of a gun, get pistol-whipped, robbed, beaten maybe raped, maybe killed.

Then get back to us on what should or should not be defended up to and including deadly force.

[Ptarmigan]

Killed for trying to knock off a corner store, with a toy gun, when he should have had a real gun.

Killed for being stupid, wonder what his DU name was?   

I was thinking that too.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Delmar]

Response to Rebubula (Reply #46)Mon Nov 2, 2015, 12:57 PM
heaven05 (11,132 posts)
47. No

my main point is, black life is cheap and hated in this country by many at all class levels. I will not apologize for the truth.

Response to heaven05 (Reply #47)Mon Nov 2, 2015, 03:41 PM
TeddyR (492 posts)
64. The criminal's race is irrelevant to this story

The fact that he was a felon shot during the commission of a felon is the story, not the race of the dead felon or the race of his shooter. Not sure why you are trying to make this about race.

Reginald Gildersleeve is a black guy?     That is about the whitest sounding name I've ever heard.  I thought that it sounded familiar and checked to make sure that it wasn't the name of the Dan Aykroyd   character in Trading Places but that was Louis Winthorpe III.  Here is what a guy named Gildersleeve is supposed to look like:

[jukin]

WHEN FULLY CONSIDERED FOR OFFSPRING BY MANY DIFFERENT WOMEN, THIS LOOKS LIKE A TPR SHOT OF $5-6 MILLION DOLLARS.

The guy CCW should get a gubmint check for a few hundred thousand dollars.

[miskie]

Another chapter in the Big Book of Stupid Games & Prizes closes.


Aside : the 'toy gun' thing....

Something crossed my mind while reading the DU defense of this idiot. How difficult would it be for any moron with a grade school education to take a very real firearm, spray-paint it florescent green, and slip a florescent orange plastic collar around the end of the barrel to make it look fake ? 

Think about it - guy has a death wish. Holds up a place with a 'fake' gun. Waits for people to believe he is a harmless nutbar then he takes out a half dozen before getting taken out himself. - Absolutely possible. So, I'd suggest assuming anyone threatening to use a firearm, real or imagined, should be taken seriously.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Another chapter in the Big Book of Stupid Games & Prizes closes.


Aside : the 'toy gun' thing....

Something crossed my mind while reading the DU defense of this idiot. How difficult would it be for any moron with a grade school education to take a very real firearm, spray-paint it florescent green, and slip a florescent orange plastic collar around the end of the barrel to make it look fake ? 

Think about it - guy has a death wish. Holds up a place with a 'fake' gun. Waits for people to believe he is a harmless nutbar then he takes out a half dozen before getting taken out himself. - Absolutely possible. So, I'd suggest assuming anyone threatening to use a firearm, real or imagined, should be taken seriously.

I saw a picture a while back of a bad guy who hid a shotgun in an airsoft rifle. Looked like a toy. I can't find the pic now but will continue looking.

[BlueStateSaint]

The Daily Caller has it . . .

Armed Robber’s Family Complains He Was Shot Too Many Times

Blake Neff     Reporter

5:08 PM 11/02/2015

The family of a Chicago man gunned down during a robbery attempt are calling for his shooter, a concealed weapon permit-holder, to be prosecuted for the shooting. The Washington Post is helping to further that effort, suggesting the failed robbery could even be a Halloween prank gone horribly wrong.
 
Police say Saturday night Reginald Gildersleeve walked into the small bodega Agencia Mexicana while wearing a mask and announced a holdup, whipping out what appeared to be gun. Moments later he was gunned down by an unnamed patron. It was later discovered that Gildersleeve’s gun was a paintball gun. (RELATED: Chicago Man With Concealed Carry Permit Shoots And Kills Armed Robber)
 
Chicago police are treating the case as rather open-and-shut. Even if Gildersleeve wasn’t carrying a real gun, he was brandishing like it was, and the shooter acted accordingly.
 
But now, Gildersleeve’s family is calling for charges to be levied, saying that the habitual criminal didn’t deserve to die. Igbinosa Oronsaye, Gildersleeve’s stepson, told The Chicago Tribune the shooter overreacted in shooting multiple times.

“Some people don’t actually know how to use guns,” Oronsaye said. “They go to firing ranges, but it’s not the same as a bullet going into someone’s body, it’s not the same as a bullet going into flesh. They should be able to wound first, kill next. He didn’t deserve to get shot multiple times.”

Someone's been watching too many movies/cop shows that show this very thing ('shoot to wound').  Isn't 'shoot to stop (the threat)' the way to go?  When I was a young cavalryman, it was 'shoot until the target burns.'  Kinda hard to do with a handgun, rifle, or shotgun, so I have to default to 'shoot to stop the threat.'

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/02/armed-robbers-family-complains-he-was-shot-too-many-times/#ixzz3qR88FN8o

[SVPete]

Another chapter in the Big Book of Stupid Games & Prizes closes.


Aside : the 'toy gun' thing....

Something crossed my mind while reading the DU defense of this idiot. How difficult would it be for any moron with a grade school education to take a very real firearm, spray-paint it florescent green, and slip a florescent orange plastic collar around the end of the barrel to make it look fake ? 

Think about it - guy has a death wish. Holds up a place with a 'fake' gun. Waits for people to believe he is a harmless nutbar then he takes out a half dozen before getting taken out himself. - Absolutely possible. So, I'd suggest assuming anyone threatening to use a firearm, real or imagined, should be taken seriously.

Too true. No matter what indentifier government might mandate of mfrs of toy guns, there will be street thugs who could and would imitate it on real guns.

But it's simpler than that - though related. Whether police officer or civilian, taking an extra second or half second to determine whether an apparent gun might be a toy or an airsoft gun could mean the difference between being killed or killing in self-defense. A police officer or armed in such a situation would be foolish to take such a chance!

Not that gun-haters and -grabbers give a @#$% about facts.

This dead thug's family is also whining about how many times he was shot. Too! Damn! Bad! (ETA, I hadn't seen BSS's post when I posted this)

ETA:

But now, Gildersleeve’s family is calling for charges to be levied, saying that the habitual criminal didn’t deserve to die. Igbinosa Oronsaye, Gildersleeve’s stepson, told The Chicago Tribune the shooter overreacted in shooting multiple times.

These thug-supporters should be charged with filing a false complaint and sued for slander/libel! Crap False accusations like this will proliferate until the consequences therefore are the same as what the falsely accused would have received, plus their expenses for defending themselves!

[Ken8521]

Another chapter in the Big Book of Stupid Games & Prizes closes.


Aside : the 'toy gun' thing....

Something crossed my mind while reading the DU defense of this idiot. How difficult would it be for any moron with a grade school education to take a very real firearm, spray-paint it florescent green, and slip a florescent orange plastic collar around the end of the barrel to make it look fake ?

Well, naturally that should be against the law, and have very stiff penalties... that should do the trick.

[thundley4]

DUmmies have to be against this justified killing.  If they believe this was justified, then they have to believe that cops were in the right when they shot and killed Tamir Rice for waving a realistic toy gun around.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

DUmmies have to be against this justified killing.  If they believe this was justified, then they have to believe that cops were in the right when they shot and killed Tamir Rice for waving a realistic toy gun around.

Nah. Doublethink is the ability to hold contradictory positions on one issue and believe that each is true. DUmmies are masters at that.

[jukin]

Was this a "Toy Gun Free Zone?"

Asking for a friend.

[miskie]

Well, naturally that should be against the law, and have very stiff penalties... that should do the trick.

Of course ! Making bad & scary stuff illegal works all of the time ! Nothing stops a criminal or crackpot hell-bent on destruction faster than a window sticker that reads 'Gun Free Zone'.   

Anyway - Well-played. ^5.

[Maverick1987]

you are a sick SOB

The whole f***ing lot of them are

Seriously, f*** off and die, every one of you useless MF's

 

[Revolution]

heaven05 (11,123 posts)
47. No

my main point is, black life is cheap and hated in this country by many at all class levels. I will not apologize for the truth.

Surprised it took them all the way to 47 replies to play that ever so popular racism card. (I assume.) What BS. If you're a bad person, it doesn't matter what color you are. You're a bad person. However, if you're a  bad person in a liberal's eyes, (or a man that isn't a liberal) it certainly seems to matter what color you are. It hinges on whether you get a pass or not for your atrocities.

They're so confused.