The Race Card, the Red Card, the Gender Card!

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The HILL-BERN war continues!

sabrina 1 (59,480 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251728285

The Race Card, the Red Card, the Gender Card! All being played by the Hillary Campaign.


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Bernie Sanders corrects the record on the ISSUES that Hillary kind of glossed over and tried to put a new spin on.

Her campaign whines in response: Bernie is going negative!!

Lol, the TRUTH isn't negative, except to those for whom it is inconvenient!

DOMA eg.

That is a new one, 'I vote against something because I'm for it and I support something because I'm against it'.

Well, I guess you can't keep sayiing, 'that was a mistake'!

On Getting money out of Politics.

'I take it so I can get it out of politics'!

My head spins when I read every new excuse for the support of policies that no Democrat should have supported.

Edited to include the Anti-Semitic Card, despicably played against Sanders questioning his loyalty.

H/T to Sheepshank for the reminder in this thread!

I guess this is why her campaign works so hard to DISTRACT from all these mental gymnastics to try to distract from the Issues because when people FOCUS on the issues, her record doesn't hold up very well.



So, they bring out the CARDS! And they use them to try to pull people AWAY from the issues she cannot explain.

Bernie doesn't use such negative tactics.

Nor does he use Corporate Funded Super Pacs to PLANT RED CARD SMEARS in the Media.


He doesn't use surrogates or paid operatives to address the Issues or to DISTRACT FROM THEM.

HE handles these things HIMSELF.

That's what a leader does.

No sneaky smear campaigns for Bernie. He tells the truth PUBLICLY.

The Cards being played are NOT resonating with the public.

The People care about the ISSUES.

Political Dirty Tricks are now thoroughly despised by a majority of the People.

So I watch them play the Race Card, the Red Card, the Gender Card and I know they are dooming Hillary's campaign so why would I try to stop them?

I don't! I focus on the ISSUES and PROMOTING my Candidate because it is so easy to do that.

He IS one of the BEST Candidates for the Democratic Party nomination in a very long time.

We don't need any 'Cards' to try to distract from OUR candidate.

It's obvious that Hillary's campaign feels THEY do.

Keep on telling the TRUTH Bernie! That's all you need to do!

It's just too easy...

lewebley3 (1,267 posts)
43. Red Card has already been thrown by Trump: He is not going to quit!

Bernie chose is political path not Hillary: Bernie has to be
a big boy and answer the Charge. Leave Hillary out it she
has been a confirmed Dem for very long time.

A Communist vs a Capitalist. Should be interesting.

bravenak (15,781 posts)

2. The more I see people who are not black saying we are the ones using the race card...

The more I know I was correct in my assesment and that we need to help bring people into the light.

I watched Bernie lose the race this Summer after BLM. Anyone who participated in the harassment of individuals of color during that time where gobs of people were targeting african americans over BLM, really has no place to talk and their complaints fall on deaf ears.

So much I see the 'mote in thy brother's eye, while ignoring the beam in thine own' stuff around here, that I decided to overcome my distaste for Hillary to stop those who would condone or ignore the harassment of black americans by their own peer group. I may not love her, but her rivals ignore social justice and condescend to black americans and pretend that nothing is wrong with it.

Yeah... that won't sit well with the BERNbots. I know I alerted on her! 

Armstead (36,464 posts)
4. Insult is not the best way to bring people into the light

Yes I know you think Bernie supporters are racially thickheaded and don't understand and overreacted to the BLM things.

But I'll bet you'd have had a lot better luck "bringing people into the light" by trying to understand their perspective, and instead of fanning the angry flames, accept that maybe -- just maybe -- they are well intentioned, and are receptive to new ideas and perspectives.

I say that as one who raised an honest question, and was told that all we could do was to "Shut the **** Up."

It's STFU, Negro!

bravenak (15,781 posts)
10. I wish you had taken my advice.

 

sabrina 1 (59,480 posts)
6. The more I hear from African Americans speaking for THEMSELVES the more I know that DU is the LAST

place to go to hear from minorities. In fact, this place is so out of touch with the Real World, so many AAs who used to post here, have gone elsewhere due to either being called names, or simply not being represented.

Like everyone else, and why we are expected to view AAs as somehow different from other people here on DU, is beyond me, AAs vary in their views of politics and are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.

Your views are yours, like everyone else's.

But I'm hearing more and more opposition to Hillary from minorities due to her long history of voting against or supporting policies that were against their interests.

I hope you acknowledge that you are not a spokesperson for all AAs.

That would be an incredible claim, considering that even right here on DU other AAs do not agree with you.

bravenak (15,781 posts)
8. I am in the majority of blacks.

Most of us are voting for Clinton. See? That shows that I am a mainstream black Democrat. I also know so many black people who can be comfortable speaking to me in a real way and tell me things about how they feel.
I make people feel relaxed, so they confide.

What I am hearing is people discussing mass incarceration and the Clintons, and then mentioning that Bernie voted for it too so they may as well stay with her. Many do not know him just by name and from TV but are not willing to give him the time of day.

Many are excited more about Bill returning to the White House than Hillary! One guy is wearing a holey Clinton/Gore shirt from their second election.

My sister in particular loved welfare reform and thinks too many are leeches (she leans right).

Most of all, are my uncle the Reverend and his large Los Angeles congregation... Most lean Hillary he tells me, and they know she shares their faith. They love that

 

hifiguy (28,877 posts)
63. HRH supports the Drug War AND private prisons

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How the purple **** can that be a good thing for African Americans. who are the primary victims of both?

ETA - I forgot to note she also supports the militarization of the kkkops, another just peachy thing for AA citizens.

Riddle me that.

Are you saying a majority of blacks are drug users and criminals?

JDPriestly (52,797 posts)
42. "she shares the faith. They love that."

Oh, now, I get it.

Now I understand this meme about African-Americans not liking Bernie.

The Constitution says that we are not to apply a religious test when filling public offices.

The Constitution doesn't actually specifically prohibiting a racial test for offices. Still, we understand that there should be no racial test when considering candidates for office

When it comes to religion, even though the Constitution specifically prohibits considering religious affiliation, SOME IN OUR SOCIETY CONSIDER A CANDIDATE'S RELIGION WHEN VOTING.

That's against our Constitution.

The No Religious Test Clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Religious_Test_Clause

Religious discrimination is just as bad as racial discrimination.

Millions of Jews were killed in Germany and Eastern Europe due to the persecution of Jewish people. That was one of the worst examples of discrimination ever in the modern history of the human race.

I should hope that your uncle who is a pastor reminds his parishioners that the Constitution prohibits applying a religious test for office. Very specifically prohibits that:

How can one minority complain about discrimination if it discriminates against another even smaller minority?


African-Americans are about 13.2% of the US population.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

In contrast, Hispanic or Latinos make up 17.4% of our population.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html

Jewish people in the US -- 1.7 to 2.6%.

Depending on religious definitions and varying population data, the United States is home to the largest or second largest (after Israel) Jewish community in the world. In 2012, the American Jewish population was estimated at between 5.5 and 8 million, depending on the definition of the term. This constitutes between 1.7% to 2.6% of the total U.S. population.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews

I'm really shocked that African-Americans would vote against a Jewish person based on the religion of his or her opponent in a race.

Are you saying black people are racists?

bravenak (15,781 posts)
45.

What ARE you TALKING about?

Who said they were voting against him because of his religion? They already like and prefer her, PLUS, she will visit the congregations. I do not understand the diatribe.

Uh... you did!?!

workinclasszero (6,174 posts)
49. Are you for real?

The government cannot apply a religious test to a canidate. Do you see that happening?

But you are telling voters that they have no right to take a persons religion or lack thereof into consideration before they vote for him or her?

Get real.

So... Black people hate teh JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!?!

Lordquinton (3,061 posts)
80. "Share the faith"

That's code right there.

Also, back when Prop 8 came around the AA vote was incredibly heavy for it, and Faith was the main reason given.

I'll let the viewer come to their own conclusions.

Black people hate teh Gheys?!?

sabrina 1 (59,480 posts)
15. What did you think of David Brock caught in the act of trying to plant smears using the Red Card,

against Bernie, in the media? Hillary's Super Pac, which he runs, is funded by Corporate Money, made possible by Citizens United??

Got anything even close to that slimy smear monger getting paid to do this to Hillary?

jtuck004 (13,206 posts)
24. Because they care more about their candidate winning than the country. n/t

Yup!

Blue_Adept (1,511 posts)
25. SHE IS EVIL INCARNATE

That's what we're trying to say, right?

Yup!

Maedhros (7,767 posts)
38. No, just that Hillary supporters are willing to overlook pretty much anything horrible their candidate does in the service of identity politics.

As ostensible Liberals (that isn't too much of a stretch, is it, since they're posting on DU?), they should be at least concerned with the use of surrogates to engage in negative campaigning, yet they simply deny it.

Wall Street coziness, appointing private prison industry lobbyists as fundraising bundlers, IWR vote, gloating over the destruction of Libya, helping craft the TPP - all of these things would worry most Liberals, but each one is rationalized away by Hillary supporters.

They have an idealized vision of Hillary!(tm) in their heads, and automatically edit out all facts that run counter to the idealized vision. It involves some masterful instances of DoubleThink.

Yeeee-UP!!!

restorefreedom (4,976 posts)
46. yes, four months till bernie wins iowa and nh

and we start to move this country in the right direction

Ed Suspicious (5,582 posts)
57. Alert-stalking? indeed.

On Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

The Race Card, the Red Card, the Gender Card! All being played by the Hillary Campaign.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251728285

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calls Sec. Clinton anti-Semitic and a host of other slurs, with no quotes.

Ridiculous. Try Free Republic if you want that.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:48 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If the alerter disagrees with the assessment of HRC then he needs to debate the topic not press the alert button.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter need some comprehension lessons, the OP never called Sec. Clinton any of those, he called her campaign guilty of it and that they were dooming her chances.

If you feel it's not true, please make your case in the thread, don't try so silence any criticism.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Over the top alert-stalking at its finest. Alerter ought to be ashamed of herself/himself.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Try again, alerter. This alerting for no reason nonsense has gotten silly at best, annoying at worst.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

 

Aerows (34,495 posts)
58. As usual. Jury results:

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Calls Sec. Clinton anti-Semitic and a host of other slurs, with no quotes.

Ridiculous. Try Free Republic if you want that.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Oct 26, 2015, 12:48 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If the alerter disagrees with the assessment of HRC then he needs to debate the topic not press the alert button.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter need some comprehension lessons, the OP never called Sec. Clinton any of those, he called her campaign guilty of it and that they were dooming her chances.

If you feel it's not true, please make your case in the thread, don't try so silence any criticism.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Over the top alert-stalking at its finest. Alerter ought to be ashamed of herself/himself.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Try again, alerter. This alerting for no reason nonsense has gotten silly at best, annoying at worst.

 

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[franksolich]

franksolich's message to bravenak:

You go, girl!

franksolich's message to gasbag Lamond:

You go **** yourself, dude.

franksolich's message to the intolerant, insensitive, narrow-minded, superficial, dictatorial Bernie bullies:

Give it up, assholes; you met your match in one little teeny tiny girl.

[DumbAss Tanker]

A peculiar clip, Frank, the ladies are singing an extremely well-known German folksong, but the introductory remarks are all in a Slavic language, I would guess Polish or Russian, and then they commence singing in German, following each German verse with its Slavic translation.  I'm sure CalPig would find them far too frivolous and derivative.

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JDPriestly

The Constitution says that we are not to apply a religious test when filling public offices.

When it comes to religion, even though the Constitution specifically prohibits considering religious affiliation, SOME IN OUR SOCIETY CONSIDER A CANDIDATE'S RELIGION WHEN VOTING.

That's against our Constitution.

The No Religious Test Clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Religious_Test_Clause

I should hope that your uncle who is a pastor reminds his parishioners that the Constitution prohibits applying a religious test for office. Very specifically prohibits that

If you ever slip up and think "no liberal could ever be THAT stupid," just member the above post.

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[thundley4]

If you ever slip up and think "no liberal could ever be THAT stupid," just member the above post.

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No religious test has ever been required. Most candidates volunteer their faith,or they declare one but lie about it like Obama did and does. Taqiyya.

[Ptarmigan]

The cards they got. It gets old fast. 

[SVPete]

JDPriestly

The Constitution says that we are not to apply a religious test when filling public offices.

When it comes to religion, even though the Constitution specifically prohibits considering religious affiliation, SOME IN OUR SOCIETY CONSIDER A CANDIDATE'S RELIGION WHEN VOTING.

That's against our Constitution.

The No Religious Test Clause of the United States Constitution is found in Article VI, paragraph 3, and states that:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Religious_Test_Clause

I should hope that your uncle who is a pastor reminds his parishioners that the Constitution prohibits applying a religious test for office. Very specifically prohibits that

If you ever slip up and think "no liberal could ever be THAT stupid," just member the above post.

.

And lest you think DU-folk really believe that, just look at their posts from the confirmation hearings for Justices John Roberts and Samuel Alito. Without ever having looked, I'm very sure that more than a few DU-folk objected to so many Catholics being USSC Justices!

[FiddyBeowulf]

Maedhros (7,767 posts)
38. No, just that Hillary supporters Democrats are willing to overlook pretty much anything horrible their candidate party does in the service of identity politics.

FIFY