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WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« on: October 13, 2015, 10:18:54 AM »
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What, if anything, should be done about Putin's attacks on Syrian rebels.


It is obvious that Putin is not fighting ISIS but helping Assad against the Syrian rebels.
Should anything be done about this, and if so, what?

Discuss.

Well... we know what he is going to do.

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1. Syria is Putin's mess. The Sunni jihadis are Saudi Arabia's mess. Let them take them in.

Or, Hillary Clinton and David Petraeus can open their homes and buy some bunk beds to welcome the five "moderate" terrorists.

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2. Nothing. Propping up dictators in pursuit of another country's national interests is as old as time.

Russia will learn (or remember) that the early days of military success and 'painless' bombing will be replaced by the expensive and endless casualties of occupation and asymmetrical warfare. For now it seems to serve their national interest as a strong international power and may help them with negotiations in other parts of the world.

There is a reason that occupations - as Afghanistan (for the USSR and the US) and Iraq (US) - are eventually abandoned

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4. Nothing. It's their mess now.
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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2015, 10:42:59 AM »
I would like to see a bright Red line drawn by the rodeo clown, that should put the fear of Ch*ist into Putin and ISIS.
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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2015, 11:01:16 AM »
I agree that Dear Leader should do nothing, but it's because he's a screw-up who would only authorize things that would help ISIS.

When you're as incompetent as Obama, best to sit on your hands in the corner with a dunce cap on and not do anything to make matters worse.

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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2015, 12:36:16 PM »
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Russia will learn (or remember) that the early days of military success and 'painless' bombing will be replaced by the expensive and endless casualties of occupation and asymmetrical warfare. For now it seems to serve their national interest as a strong international power and may help them with negotiations in other parts of the world.

Ummm, not so much. Putin and the Russians couldn't care less about playing nice with their enemies. They will destroy a city block to get a sniper, for instance. They believe in Machiavelli: "It is good to be loved, it is better to be feared."
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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2015, 01:12:35 PM »
Agree with both USA4ME and Doc.  The Russians have a much higher tolerance for casualties in ground ops than we do, a fact lost on the most of the people currently in a position to make decisions about it, both military and civilian.  They didn't leave Afghanistan just because of casualties, but because it wasn't going anywhere for them and a shift in Russian political winds (Yeah, Russian, because Soviet politics were entirely about Russia, not the rest of the SSRs).  The various Oministration flacks snarking about Putin being drawn to his destruction in asymmetric warfare in Syria are quite mistaken, there are clear things for the Russians to gain in Syria and they will pursue them to the limit of their very-considerable abilities once they decide to go in.  The Russians are also not constrained by Western ideals of pinpoint surgical attacks with an absolute minimum of collateral damage, they do it old school, and old school works pretty damn' well.

An interesting stat I encountered the other day, in light of all the bilgewater on cable about WW2:  7 out of 8 deaths in WW2 were Russians and Germans.  The Russians have a whole different frame of reference than we do in these decisions, when they think their national strategic interests are at stake.

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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2015, 01:17:31 PM »
It's time for an emergency tee off and Obama is on it!!!
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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2015, 02:45:55 PM »
Once Obama washes his hands of it, they are no longer concerned about the tens of thousands of people who will die for no other reason than being at the wrong place at the wrong time. It's another case of Obama and his promises to help then bails and leaves them with absolutely nothing.

I suppose the dying can be happy about the fact that Obama is having a Climate Change conference in France... you know, showing real leadership.
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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2015, 03:37:31 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on October 13, 2015, 01:12:35 PM
An interesting stat I encountered the other day, in light of all the bilgewater on cable about WW2:  7 out of 8 deaths in WW2 were Russians and Germans.  The Russians have a whole different frame of reference than we do in these decisions, when they think their national strategic interests are at stake.

The Russians killed more of their own people in WWII (well...from 1919 to 1945) than the Germans did.

Think about that one for a moment.
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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2015, 04:26:54 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on October 13, 2015, 01:12:35 PM
Agree with both USA4ME and Doc.  The Russians have a much higher tolerance for casualties in ground ops than we do, a fact lost on the most of the people currently in a position to make decisions about it, both military and civilian.  They didn't leave Afghanistan just because of casualties, but because it wasn't going anywhere for them and a shift in Russian political winds (Yeah, Russian, because Soviet politics were entirely about Russia, not the rest of the SSRs).  The various Oministration flacks snarking about Putin being drawn to his destruction in asymmetric warfare in Syria are quite mistaken, there are clear things for the Russians to gain in Syria and they will pursue them to the limit of their very-considerable abilities once they decide to go in.  The Russians are also not constrained by Western ideals of pinpoint surgical attacks with an absolute minimum of collateral damage, they do it old school, and old school works pretty damn' well.

An interesting stat I encountered the other day, in light of all the bilgewater on cable about WW2:  7 out of 8 deaths in WW2 were Russians and Germans.  The Russians have a whole different frame of reference than we do in these decisions, when they think their national strategic interests are at stake.

This...Putin does not worry about a news report of Russian casualties or atrocities and knows most of the worlds media won`t report it anyways.
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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2015, 04:46:33 PM »
Quote from: Carl on October 13, 2015, 04:26:54 PM
This...Putin does not worry about a news report of Russian casualties or atrocities and knows most of the worlds media won`t report it anyways.

In this case, I think the US MSM will be more than happy to report any and all Russian casualties just to make Obama look better.
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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2015, 04:54:10 PM »
Smart Money is betting on doing nothing. He would like to help ISIS take over Syria but Putin is ten times smarter and Obama knows that. So Obama will do nothing but lead on climate change or something inconsequential.
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Re: WTF should Barry do about Syria? and Putin? and IS?
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2015, 06:00:46 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on October 13, 2015, 04:46:33 PM
In this case, I think the US MSM will be more than happy to report any and all Russian casualties just to make Obama look better.

I will disagree in that it would raise the question to the fool "what are you going to do about it?" and that is one they know he has no answer or care about.
His mission is to neuter the US via the gloBULL warming scam more then to protect our safety or global interests.
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