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Gun Facts for The Lurkers...You Can't Handle The Truth!
« on: October 06, 2015, 02:19:51 AM »
The truth about gun deaths: numbers and actual solutions

When the President went on television after the Oregon college mass shooting he issued a challenge to the media. He asked them to show America the number of gun deaths as compared to the number of terrorism related deaths since the 9/11 attacks. The media dutifully complied and soon every network, newspaper and magazine was putting up startling graphics, such as this one tweeted by CNN.



These graphics and figures were almost uniformly followed by comments about the mass shooting and the “pressing need” for background checks and other gun control laws. Unfortunately, all of these numbers flashing around were dishonestly offered up with no context or details. As it turns out, however, the real numbers are available from a variety of sources including the FBI and the CDC, among others, so let’s take a look at them. It takes federal agencies a long time to compile and publish their statistics, so the last full set of data we have is from 2011 and the figures can shed a lot of light on exactly how mendacious gun control advocates are being with these studies.

First of all, look at the number of gun deaths on that chart from 2011. It’s 32,351. That’s a lot of gun deaths to be sure. So that’s the total number of murders by gun owners, right? The answer is not only Hell No, but it’s not even remotely close. It’s true that this figure is close to the total number of human lives ended in incidents involving a gun, but that’s all incidents. So how did those deaths happen?

Straight from the CDC where most of the media is drawing their numbers (while not as good of a source as the FBI or the Justice Department) we can find out that of those 32,352 gun deaths, 21,175 of them were suicides. That leaves us with 11,177 deaths to account for. But as it turns out, the FBI records that 8,583 deaths were murders of various sorts involving guns of all types. The remaining roughly 2,500 were accounted for by accidents and unintentional injuries. These include hunting accidents, toddlers getting hold of unsecured weapons and shooting somebody or just plain idiots who proved Darwin right.

Before we move on, those FBI numbers deserve a closer look for a moment since we’re on the subject. What sorts of guns are used in actual crimes? I bring this up because each mass shooting elicits renewed calls for an “assault weapons” ban on guns like the AR-15 style rifle. Are those popular in crimes? Check out the figures from the FBI report.



Take a good look at those numbers. Of the actual 8,583 gun murders committed in 2011, 323 were committed with “rifles.” And that’s all rifles, including bolt action, deer hunting rifles and all the rest. The number committed with so called “assault rifles” were a fraction of that. When you ask how dangerous those rifles are, compare that to nearly 1,700 who were stabbed as well as nearly 500 murdered with blunt objects and and more than 700 beaten to death by somebody with their bare hands. Enough said on that topic.

So we’re down to 8,583 intentional killings using guns. That’s still one heck of a lot of bodies, and surely enough to justify new background checks and other restrictions on legal gun purchases, right? Again… not even close. The Justice Department has been studying the question of legal vs. illegal sources of guns used in crimes for decades, going back to this study issued in the early nineties. They admit that the numbers are simply too hard to track for us to pin down exact figures, but the trends are steady over the years. The vast majority of guns used in crimes were gotten through illegal means outside the legal purchase regimen followed by law abiding gun owners. Roughly one quarter of inmates convicted of gun crimes admitted to having stolen a gun in that study. For the ones that weren’t stolen directly, another 2004 study showed that 40% of convicts bought their guns on the black market and another 37% got them through the “gray market” in various illegal methods.

In fact, one study after another has shown that legally purchased weapons which followed all the normal firearms transfer rules accounted for somewhere between six and eight percent of all murders. And the majority of those were domestic violence incidents, violence between family members, crimes of passion and, yes… murders committed by the insane. But let’s give the gun grabbers the benefit of the doubt, round it up and say that ten percent were committed with legally purchases guns. That works out to around 850.

850 is too many people, but it’s a far cry from more than 32,000 per year.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/10/04/the-truth-about-gun-deaths-numbers-and-actual-solutions/


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Re: Gun Facts for The Lurkers...You Can't Handle The Truth!
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2015, 05:46:37 AM »
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Re: Gun Facts for The Lurkers...You Can't Handle The Truth!
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2015, 07:07:25 AM »
Compares Houston and Chicago gun crime.....strict gun laws vs right to own.

Someone copy the chart and paste....I can't get it to copy.

http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2013/03/06/a-tale-of-two-cities-chicago-vs-houston/
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Re: Gun Facts for The Lurkers...You Can't Handle The Truth!
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2015, 07:13:12 AM »
As a corollary and also from the CDC.

http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/

2004) A total of 839,226 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC for 2004 from 49 reporting areas,

2005) A total of 820,151 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC for 2005 from 49 reporting areas

2006) For 2006, a total of 846,181 abortions were reported to CDC.

2007) A total of 827,609 abortions were reported to CDC for 2007

That is just a sampling.
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Re: Gun Facts for The Lurkers...You Can't Handle The Truth!
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2015, 12:04:02 PM »
Uh-Oh!!

Deaths: An estimated 13,712 people with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2012, and approximately 658,507 people in the United States with an AIDS diagnosis have died overall.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html

Looks like homosexuality and butt sex is far more dangerous than guns. We need some kind of sensible homo control. If you are not for homo control you condone all the deaths from butt sex. Note this does not include all of the medical resources that go into a 100% avoidable disease.

The democrat party condones the death of hundreds of thousands of people by not supporting sensible homo control.
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Re: Gun Facts for The Lurkers...You Can't Handle The Truth!
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2015, 12:13:13 PM »
^^^^funny....sick but funny.

....and billions have been spent to keep them alive so they can keep killing. A gun used to kill probably only gets used one time.
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Re: Gun Facts for The Lurkers...You Can't Handle The Truth!
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 12:41:42 PM »
Uh-Oh!!

Deaths: An estimated 13,712 people with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2012, and approximately 658,507 people in the United States with an AIDS diagnosis have died overall.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html

Looks like homosexuality and butt sex is far more dangerous than guns. We need some kind of sensible homo control. If you are not for homo control you condone all the deaths from butt sex. Note this does not include all of the medical resources that go into a 100% avoidable disease.

The democrat party condones the death of hundreds of thousands of people by not supporting sensible homo control.

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2015, 12:43:15 PM »
Cross posted at DU Jr.  :popcorn:
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Re: Gun Facts for The Lurkers...You Can't Handle The Truth!
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2015, 12:44:55 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2015, 04:36:48 PM »
Ironically, one thing that would matter is having mental health data of the truly whack-a-do and dangerous as part of a background check. HIPPA laws prevent them from sharing useful information that would prevent these people from owning guns. Frankly, I think it's more important that a criminal background check. It would be much more helpful if they could be involuntarily committed.

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« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2015, 05:34:58 PM »
Nicely done Sarge.   :clap:
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Re: Gun Facts for The Lurkers...You Can't Handle The Truth!
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2015, 12:51:23 AM »
Compares Houston and Chicago gun crime.....strict gun laws vs right to own.

Someone copy the chart and paste....I can't get it to copy.

http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2013/03/06/a-tale-of-two-cities-chicago-vs-houston/

              

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Re: Gun Facts for The Lurkers...You Can't Handle The Truth!
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2015, 10:29:20 PM »
Uh-Oh!!

Deaths: An estimated 13,712 people with an AIDS diagnosis died in 2012, and approximately 658,507 people in the United States with an AIDS diagnosis have died overall.
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/statistics/basics/ataglance.html

Looks like homosexuality and butt sex is far more dangerous than guns. We need some kind of sensible homo control. If you are not for homo control you condone all the deaths from butt sex. Note this does not include all of the medical resources that go into a 100% avoidable disease.

The democrat party condones the death of hundreds of thousands of people by not supporting sensible homo control.

The Dem party is quite unhealthy for it's supporters.
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