The tyrants are restless.

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027222107

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:17 AM

Evergreen Emerald (11,175 posts)

Nothing is off the table--No idea is too stupid to consider
What do we do to stop the mass shootings? The US has creative, intelligent people who can solve this problem. We just have to make it a priority.

What are your ideas?

Here are a couple of mine:
1. Yesterday someone mentioned that we should make the bullets harder to get. That is a good idea. I am sure we can think of a way to do that, but we don't want process to get in the way of the ideas...so that comes later.

2. Stop private sales of guns. Just like driver's licenses, they must be sold through a government entity that can do thorough background checks and track and monitor the weapons.

Response to Evergreen Emerald (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:19 AM

Star Member Fred Sanders (17,510 posts)
2. Change the laws that men wrote 300 years ago by writing new laws? Easy. Just need the will, and if

not now, when?

Logic over ****ing yellowing parchment.

You are as stupid as they come Fred.

Response to Evergreen Emerald (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:23 AM

Star Member RKP5637 (36,495 posts)
3. Our gun laws are obsolete. They were meant for a different era, not for the 21st century. n/t

Response to Evergreen Emerald (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:42 AM

Star Member HughBeaumont (21,746 posts)
14. Stricter gun control and Universal Health Care.

Both of which will never in a million years be enacted in America because the heavily Republican gun lobby and voting contingent refuse to support either one.

Yes, living in the Old West in 2015 is far simpler than admitting you're wrong.

Give me FREEEEEEEEEEE shit!

Response to Evergreen Emerald (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:56 AM

Star Member SheilaT (19,116 posts)
16. I'd start with

confiscating guns.

But since that appears to be something of a non-starter, how about this: Publish actual photographs of people killed by guns. Especially these mass shootings. Maybe if more people saw EXACTLY what guns did, they'd think twice about these murders being inevitable and unstoppable.

If we could have seen what those poor children looked like at the elementary school, we'd have had strong gun control by now, I'm certain.

Second suggestion: Organize the survivors and loved ones of various mass murders and have them descend on Congress and the state legislatures, preferably all on the same day. Armed with photos of their loved ones in life, and what they looked like dead.

Just wringing hands and saying, Oh, how terrible but we can't possibly infringe on the right of every lunatic out there to own a gun and shoot up as many people as possible, just doesn't cut it any more.

Can we do the same with pictures of aborted babies outside Planned Parenthood butcher shops?

Response to Evergreen Emerald (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:57 AM

Evergreen Emerald (11,175 posts)
17. How about requiring a resume with references, including the doctor?

Before gun purchases?

If people have illness that may interfere with safe use of the firearm, the doctor must submit a warning.

Same for voting then.

Response to Evergreen Emerald (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 10:11 AM

NV Whino (18,775 posts)
18. Disband the NRA

Reverse Citizens United. Get gun money out of congress.

Then we can begin to talk about gun control of any sort.

Response to NV Whino (Reply #18)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 10:32 AM

GGJohn (5,917 posts)
23. How do you disband the NRA?

It's a private organization, the govt has no authority to "disband" it.

Response to GGJohn (Reply #23)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:03 AM

NV Whino (18,775 posts)
25. I can think of many ways to bring it down

Take a close look at their books. Tax evasion brought down Al Capone.
Put the officers on trial as accomplices along with the accused shooters.
Sue them any time an illegal shooting takes place.

Another approach, rather than eliminating the NRA, is to make them responsible for gun ownership. Make them police gun owners themselves. All gun sales and permits go through them. Anything goes wrong, they are the responsible party. They would soon enough come up with a way to eliminate illegal sales, determine if a person is competent to possess guns.

Is any of this possible? Probably not, but we have to start thinking of alternative solutions and diminish the NRA's influence on congress. Without the NRA and its money, i think congress could come up with some sensible solutions to gun legislation.

You just proved how right the Founders were to have included the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

Response to Evergreen Emerald (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:33 AM

brush (4,790 posts)
26. Registration, insurance, background checks and psyche screenings

These should all begin immediately will all new gun purchases

As for the huge backlog of existing guns in the country, legislation should be passed that all gun owners register their guns and get insurance or sell or surrender them for a tax credit.

After a reasonable grace period, if anyone is subsequently caught in possession of an unregistered/uninsured weapon, there will be substantial legal consequences.

This is a workable, reasonable solution that could actually increase revenue for strapped local/state governments and provide some jobs.

And we could go even further: Ban handguns and assault rifles altogether as they are designed for nothing but to SHOOT PEOPLE. Shotguns and rifles would suffice for home protection and pellet guns can be used for target shooting enthusiasts. There is a precedent, Australia did something similar in the '90s and their mass killings stopped.

Let's get it done, America. We are better than this.

Try it mutt.

[Chris_]

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:17 AM
Evergreen Emerald (11,175 posts)

Nothing is off the table--No idea is too stupid to consider

DU in a nutshell.

[Carl]

Response to Evergreen Emerald (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 11:45 AM

Star Member upaloopa (7,626 posts)
28. I am more and more leaning toward banning guns.

I don't know why our society has to take a back seat to people like those on this board who have no empathy for the victims and their families of yesterday's shooting but can only post threads supporting their gun rights. I think it is a sickness not to feel what the other people of the country feel when we have these tragedies. They know gun control is discussed after everyone of these shootings so they dust of their usual obfuscation arguments and argue about gun rights. Well we as a society have rights too. We have the right to try and prevent as much gun violence as we can. I can no longer give a shit about gun rights. I have had enough.
We need to get rid of the second amendment it serves no purpose today. The reason other countries can do something about gun violence and we can't is because they have nothing like our second amendment. Until that happens we need a Supreme Court that will interpret the Second Amendment to mean what it says. Not that it gives people the right to bear arms without reguards to the regulated militia wording. That will put us on the same footing as other countries.
We need to make gun owners social outcasts. We need to link them to gun violence because they inhibit our ability to do something about it.
We need to see the NRA as an enemy of the people.
We need public financing of elections so that gun money can't buy politicians and so the NRA can't threaten our elected leaders.
This my not happen in my lifetime since I am 69 yrs. old. Hopefully younger people will not be as enamored with guns as my generation was.
We need to fight back.

Might as well just set up Stalin II in the process.

[67 Rover]

 

[Ralph Wiggum]

This DUmmy "Fred Sanders" is charging up my personal list of candidates for the year end DUmmy awards.

[SVPete]

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Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:17 AM

Evergreen Emerald (11,175 posts)

Nothing is off the table--No idea is too stupid to consider
What do we do to stop the mass shootings? The US has creative, intelligent people who can solve this problem. We just have to make it a priority.

What are your ideas?

Here are a couple of mine:
1. Yesterday someone mentioned that we should make the bullets harder to get. That is a good idea. I am sure we can think of a way to do that, but we don't want process to get in the way of the ideas...so that comes later.

2. Stop private sales of guns. Just like driver's licenses, they must be sold through a government entity that can do thorough background checks and track and monitor the weapons.





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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Original post)

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:19 AM

Star Member Fred Sanders (17,510 posts)
2. Change the laws that men wrote 300 years ago by writing new laws? Easy. Just need the will, and if

not now, when?

Logic over ****ing yellowing parchment.

Attempting to change our current law the right way, by amending the US Constitution, would be a refreshing change from gun-grabbers' current tactics of passing laws that blatantly violate the USC (as amended) or try to sneak around the USC (e.g. the "idea" of making ammo hard/impossible to get). But the reason for those current tactics is clear. Gun-grabbers know an attempt to amend the USC would fail. Miserably!

[JohnnyReb]

Gun owners should go from DUmmie house to DUmmie house and confiscate drugs and computers....hey, that seems to be the root of most of these mass shootings.

[Mary Ann]

tishaLA (10,768 posts)
27. 1. Win the Presidency in 2016

2. Get another liberal (or two!) on SCOTUS
3. Get a case before the court that allows it to revisit District of Columbia v. Heller
4. Work like hell to win state government seats in 2020 so we get favorable redistricting and can re-take the House
5. After thousands more deaths, around 2025 or so, pray congress isn't as scared of the NRA as it now is and passes legislation to address the problem

This right here is why we need to get out and vote next November, even if our own favorite candidate isn't nominated. Another four or eight years of a Democrat in the Oval Office, and we won't have a country anymore.

[BlueStateSaint]

This right here is why we need to get out and vote next November, even if our own favorite candidate isn't nominated. Another four or eight years of a Democrat in the Oval Office, and we won't have a country anymore.

Exactly.

Any questions?

[BattleHymn]

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:17 AM
Evergreen Emerald (11,175 posts)

Nothing is off the table--No idea is too stupid to consider

It looks like the SheilaT primitive must have had second thoughts about her suggestion last night of quarantining all young white males.

That's the kind of stupid that gets you a DOTY nomination.
   

[Duke Nukum]

Fri Oct 2, 2015, 09:17 AM

Evergreen Emerald (11,175 posts)

Nothing is off the table--No idea is too stupid to consider
What do we do to stop the mass shootings? The US has creative, intelligent people who can solve this problem. We just have to make it a priority.

What are your ideas?

Stop excusing criminal behavior.

Stop the hero-worship of mass murders such as Obama's personal hero, Chairman Mao, perennial DUmmie fave, Ernesto Guevara, and left-wing folk hero and cop kill Mumia Abu Jamal.

Stop promoting nihilism by telling young kids they are killing the planet and that the planet is dying because of Anthropogenic Global Warming(TM) or Global Climate Change(TM) because it demoralizes children who start to believe either they have nothing to live for or that human life is evil because Mother Earth.

Stop supporting abortion because it devalues human life to what you can sell baby parts for on the black market.

As one of your other sort of f*cked up heroes is said to have said, be the change you wish to see.

[jukin]

This right here is why we need to get out and vote next November, even if our own favorite candidate isn't nominated. Another four or eight years of a Democrat in the Oval Office, and we won't have a country anymore.

Yeah right: John Roberts and Anthony Kennedy come to mind.

The DUchebags don't understand how many gun owners there are in the USA. Hunting licenses in just Kentucky, Ohio, Iowa, and Indiana dwarfs the size of the military and LEOs.

[Ralph Wiggum]

No idea is too stupid to consider? Too late DUmmy, that ship has sailed.

[Mr Mannn]

Star Member SheilaT (19,116 posts)
16. I'd start with

confiscating guns.

But since that appears to be something of a non-starter, how about this: Publish actual photographs of people killed by guns.

70% of those victims will be black. Shot by other blacks.
Me thinks the PC liberals will not allow the truth to be seen.

[Mr Mannn]

Hi5 for that.

[Skul]

So  typical of the mutts.
A wigged out psychopathic nutcase uses a firearm to murder numerous unamed people.
Very first reaction of DUmpscrunts and liberals in general is to ban the innocent, sane, law abiding citizen, from
a means of self protection.
They of course deny this, saying they only want "common sense rules".  Who determines the rules?
Only they are permitted to make the rules.
  eff u DUmpscrunts

[delilahmused]

Here in Oregon, private gun sales have to go through the same background check as you would if you walked into a gun store. Same with gun shows.

Cindie

[ChuckJ]

Instead of making more gun laws why don't we pass a law that makes killing people illegal?

[Maverick1987]

This DUmmy "Fred Sanders" is charging up my personal list of candidates for the year end DUmmy awards.

Agreed. He's a real turd.

[BattleHymn]

Agreed. He's a real turd.

This DUmmy "Fred Sanders" is charging up my personal list of candidates for the year end DUmmy awards.

Wow.  That makes three of us. 

[Patriot Guard Rider]

Instead of making more gun laws why don't we pass a law that makes killing people illegal?

Excellent idea. And if that law doesn't work, I'm sure they'll want to pass one or two more laws that will stop shooters from entering gun free zones to kill defenseless people. And if those don't work, only one or two more laws will do it. Ad Nauseum.

[Boudicca]

Damn, I hate these pustulent carriers of disease on the nation.  If only we could carve out some communistic wet dream state for them, complete with a 100% ban on weapons, equal sharing of all assets and no consequences for bad, or criminal, behavior, all presided over under the aegis of their beloved Democrat leaders.  On second thought, we've pretty much already achieved that if you consider the Dem controlled cities, except we haven't managed to quite shake the excrement which seeps from these cesspools and makes the existence of decent, law abiding citizens more difficult than it would otherwise be if they were left to their own, non-taxpayer supported devices.

[BattleHymn]

Excellent idea. And if that law doesn't work, I'm sure they'll want to pass one or two more laws that will stop shooters from entering gun free zones to kill defenseless people. And if those don't work, only one or two more laws will do it. Ad Nauseum.

It's just another step in their long steady march to ultimately attempt confiscation.  Anything less will not satisfy them. The mask occasionally slips, as seen in some of the posts rowed over from last night's bonfires.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

70% of those victims will be black. Shot by other blacks.
Me thinks the PC liberals will not allow the truth to be seen.

Which is exactly why that subject is vigorously ignored regarding Chicago, etc.

[Boudicca]

Which is exactly why that subject is vigorously ignored regarding Chicago, etc.

Black lives don't matter to the race hustlers perched on their bloody bodies screeching to the rest of us about how at least 1% of said bodies are the result of white on black crime.  Pointing out that most all of the dead blacks are victims of other blacks who are murdering animals