Germany and the migrants

[FaC]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027208015

davidn3600 (4,405 posts)

Some German girls being told to cover up to prevent "misunderstandings" concerning migrant's culture


Mrs Merkel’s offer last month to accept all refugees from war-ravaged Syria opened the floodgates. More than a million migrants are expected this year alone, the bulk of them far from genuine asylum seekers. There is now deepening disquiet in this Christian country, dotted with churches, that it is being overwhelmed by people of a different religion and culture.

Yesterday, the Mail reported how social workers and women’s groups in Giessen wrote a letter to the local state parliament claiming that rape and child abuse were rife in the refugee camp. The allegations were corroborated by Atif over his curry. ‘The camp is dangerous,’ he agreed. ‘Men of different nationalities fight and women are attacked.’

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Controversially, the letter suggests that in the migrants’ culture, women are viewed differently: ‘It is a fact that women and children are unprotected. This situation is opportune for those men who already regard women as their inferiors and treat unaccompanied women as “fair game”.’

Many migrant women have fled here to escape forced marriages or female genital mutilation, which are rife in some African and Middle Eastern countries. ‘They believe they have found safety in Germany,’ says the letter, ‘and realise it’s not the case.’

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Police in the Bavarian town of Mering, where a 16-year-old girl was reportedly raped this month, have warned parents not to allow their children outside unaccompanied.

Girls and women have been told not to walk home alone from the railway station because it is near a migrant centre where the rapist may live.

At Pocking, another well-kept Bavarian town, the headmaster of the grammar school wrote to parents telling them not to let their daughters wear skimpy clothing. This was to avoid ‘misunderstandings’ with 200 migrants who were put up in the school’s gymnasium over the summer, before being moved on this month.

The letter to parents said the migrants were ‘mainly Muslim, and speak Arabic. They have their own culture. Because our school is directly next to where they are staying, modest clothing should be warn... revealing tops or blouses, short skirts or miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings.’


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3249667/Germany-state-SIEGE-Merkel-cheered-opened-floodgates-migrants-gangs-men-roaming-streets-young-German-women-told-cover-mood-s-changing.html

It's apparently racist to suggest immigrants should assimilate to the culture of the country they are immigrating to. But apparently it's OK to demand Germans to change their lives to accommodate immigrants? How exactly do you think this cultural integration is going to work when some Germans inevitably start pushing back?

Not only do you have a cultural clash between the migrants and Germans, but you have also starting to see clashes between different nationalities of migrants. So there is fighting even between migrants within the refugee camps as they are from different countries and different religious sects. These camps are going to eventually turn into high-crime slums, if they haven't already.

I wouldnt want to be in Merkel's shoes. This is a mess.

First observation - Davidn3600 is living dangerously when he starts a thread that implies that muslim immigrants are anything less than well behaved angels (or the muslim equivalent of an angel, if such a thing exists)

Humanist_Activist (5,144 posts)
18. Its the daily fail, I doubt the situation is as dire as portrayed here. Will there be a culture...

clash? Absolutely, but level heads on all sides can come to agreement and assimilation policies that a palpable to those who will choose to stay.

La, la, la - we don't like the source so it must be a right wing lie.

DFW (19,046 posts)
68. You doubt it? Learn fluent German, come live here for a while and doubt no longer

There are no level heads when people are told to modify their way of life to accommodate people coming in from another culture, who are there because they say their lives are in danger at home. They'll all choose to stay. They didn't book a vacation cruise to get here. But generosity dissipates very rapidly when it is abused.

There is only one agreement, and that is one that will not be reached: that all those who come here learn German and accommodate the German way of life. There is no way a million people a year will all do this. Is the USA prepared to accept four million Muslims a year who don't speak English, and accept only Muslim culture? That is the kind of proportion in play here. Add to that the fact that German has about 85% the land mass of California. Where are we supposed to put these people? Are you people back home prepared to tell young America it can no longer dress how it wants, entertain itself how it wants, have the social life it wants, all because it might offend the sensibilities of 4 million people taken in from another continent and culture? That's a sure way to insure about 30 million new angry Teabagger voters in one very swift blow. The German far right, long dormant, is rubbing its hands in glee at the sudden breath of life this issue is offering them.

I would really love to find the DFW posts that express the same opinion about Central American (illegal) immigrants.

Marrah_G (27,297 posts)
73. Europe is becoming a powder keg again

I'm pretty sure this will not end peacefully. Heck, we cannot even discuss it here, on a message board an ocean away, without it becoming an argument.

Eventually the refugees will have to assimilate or at least accept the local culture and traditions or it is inevitable that they will be asked to leave.

DFW (19,046 posts)
78. It was nice while it lasted

In a way, the collapse of the Soviet Empire was the first step. After the euphoria of Berlin 1989 was over, some in West Germany were joking that Honecker should be given a medal for keep the East Germans out of the West for so long. Their whole mentality needed a big adjustment. And they are Germans! Example--a family from the former east was on vacation in the west, and asked the hotel what time they were to have breakfast. The hotel said that breakfast was served between 7 and 10 in the morning. The Easterners said, yes, OK, but what time was THEIR breakfast. The patient receptionist explained again: between 7 and 10. The Easterners said, yes they got that, but at what time was breakfast for THEM? In East Germany, people on vacation were assigned specific hours when they could have breakfast. The concept that it was up to them when they wanted to have breakfast was completely foreign to them. They thought the receptionist was playing with them, and the receptionist thought he was dealing with functional idiots. And these people all spoke the same language and had no religious issues!

West Germany, a country of roughly 60 million people, absorbed East Germany, a country of just under 20 million people, who spoke the same language, had roughly the same social views on gender-related issues, and had their own land to live on. This land, now with 80 million people, still had less square miles than California, even with a population a quarter the size of the USA.

These people are now being asked to absorb a 1.25% increase in their population (and that's just this year!). The increase consists of people who do not speak the language, for the most part have no job skills, adhere to the Muslim religion, with radically different views on gender issues, and have nowhere to live. The weather here is still relatively good. In 4 months, it will be cold. Up in Sweden, where there is a lot of empty land, it will be brutally cold. It gets on my nerves going up to Sweden in the winter just for a few days, and I see friends, speak Swedish, get to stay in a decent hotel, and have enough to eat. I can't imagine what it would be like to stay in sub-standard housing, have crappy food, speak no Swedish, and be rejected by the locals who have social mores I can't begin to understand.

We're sort of coping for now, as the majority of the migrants are not here yet. In three months or less, things will get ugly, and your prediction is on track to come true--it probably will not end peacefully. You can ask a few thousand to leave. You can't ask a million to leave--where could Germany possibly send them?

Perhaps DFW cares more because he is apparently living in Germany now...

dilby (1,983 posts)
41. It's terrible that there are rapists in refugee camps, however I would argue they

Are the exception and not the norm. I am pretty sure there are German men rapping women as well, this is an issue with men and we should not assume it's just because they are refugees.

Recursion hands dilby s/he/its their ass

Recursion (41,433 posts)
54. Here's a bowl of 100 M&M's. One has cyanide in it.

Want an M&M? Cyanide is the exception, you know?

branford (2,803 posts)
65. For those complaining about the obvious because the OP cited the Daily Mail,

here are other sources, including in the original German,

http://www.thelocal.de/20150626/refugee-school-calls-for-uniform-modesty

http://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article143128131/Miniroecke-koennten-zu-Missverstaendnissen-fuehren.html

http://www.pnp.de/region_und_lokal/stadt_und_landkreis_passau/pocking_bad_fuessing_bad_griesbach/1724472_Pocking-Rechte-nutzen-Elternbrief-fuer-Auslaenderhetze.html

The reasons why sources like the Daily Mail are reporting these issues, while more liberal sources are not, is obvious. Just like in the USA, the political ideologies of various media determine what stories to cover, and given that issues like that in the OP justify and support the right-wing in Europe, you'll rarely read them in liberal press like the Guardian.

However, as thousands, hundreds of thousands, and possibly millions more migrants, many of whom are not actually refugees from Syria (as detailed in numerous sources across the political spectrum), continue to flood into Europe, these types of stories will increase in frequency and will not be able to be ignored from even the preferred European news sources on DU.

Branford brings some realism to Skin's island

View from a local:

DetlefK (5,758 posts)
69. As a German, I say **** THEIR CULTURE!!!

You want to live in Germany? Fine.

You leave that Sunni-Shia shit at the door. If you got a problem with that, you can leave right-away or expect to go to jail for that shit.

You treat women as equals, as per german culture. If you got a problem with that, you can leave right-away or expect to go to jail for that shit.

German women will not start covering up to adapt to your culture. In Germany, women wear whatever THEY want. You will adapt to GERMAN culture. If you got a problem with that, you can leave right-away.





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This will not end well. This will definitely not end well.

They won't integrate. They won't. They will stay among themselves and form parallel societies. I expect many, many, many, many more cases of honor-killings when a muslim woman tries to live by german culture instead of their parallel culture.

Quantess (26,598 posts)
76. I also live in europe, and I agree with you.

This is looking bad and it's only going to get worse.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN (11,270 posts)
79. Doing otherwise

gives tacit acceptance to the notion that women dressing in 'scanty' (ie, not fully covered) outfits are 'asking for it'.

'Covering up' might result in fewer attacks, but it is a societal subservience to the cultural dictates of those who are not even citizens. What country in the world really allows non-citizens to dictate what citizens are able to do?

Hypocrisy, thy name is Erich Bloodaxe BSN

[txradioguy]

What country in the world really allows non-citizens to dictate what citizens are able to do?

Great Britain...United States...Germany...France...

[Carl]

How can they so often hold totally contradictory viewpoints at the same time and believe both of them?

[USA4ME]

This further confirms at lot of things I've long suspected about liberals.

The immigration issue and them assimilating into American culture is a battering ram for the libs to use against conservatives in order to secure votes of illegal immigrants. Should the libs ever achieve their goal of eliminating conservatism, their viewpoints will suddenly be more like that of DFW and his viewpoint of those immigrating to Germany. In America, it's kiss them now with talk of freedom, force them to comply at the point of a gun later. They're everything we've ever said they are.

Otherwise, it's actually nice to see Marc (DFW) say something worthwhile for once in his life. He won't dare carry his viewpoints to include the same things happening here in the USA because his ideological ends won't permit it.

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[txradioguy]

How can they so often hold totally contradictory viewpoints at the same time and believe both of them?

Because as Rush has stated in the past (and I'm paraphrasing) "Liberalism allows you to take any side of any issue at any time to ensure that you're never wrong."

[Chris_]

Because as Rush has stated in the past (and I'm paraphrasing) "Liberalism allows you to take any side of any issue at any time to ensure that you're never wrong."

Yet they always are.

[DumbAss Tanker]

DFW (19,046 posts)
...The German far right, long dormant, is rubbing its hands in glee at the sudden breath of life this issue is offering them.

He wants to say 'Neo-Nazis' so bad, but he is right that this will invigorate the more conservative/nationalistic parties, debilitate the true libtards and internationalists, and possibly turn the Social Democrats more right in defense of German union members (Their core constituency) and their families.

[USA4ME]

DFW

We're sort of coping for now, as the majority of the migrants are not here yet. In three months or less, things will get ugly, and your prediction is on track to come true--it probably will not end peacefully. You can ask a few thousand to leave. You can't ask a million to leave--where could Germany possibly send them?

Not end peacefully?? Are you saying there's going to be battles in the street and it could come to war, Marc??

And how many of these liberal European countries, upon being overrun by jihadists, will call out to conservatives to join them in fighting against the very people we warned you were going to do what you now believe they're going to do and that we needed to be dealing with it now rather than later?

Tell you what libs, it becomes a problem, you deal with it.

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[txradioguy]

DFW

We're sort of coping for now, as the majority of the migrants are not here yet. In three months or less, things will get ugly, and your prediction is on track to come true--it probably will not end peacefully.

WTF do you mean WILL get ugly?  It IS ugly already.  Polizei are being called on almost a daily basis to the "refugee" camps...a.k.a. former U.S. Army bases where these invaders are being housed.  It's already turning violent.  You're either not paying attention to local news or your head really is that far up your ass.  Either way you're clueless about what's happening right now here in Germany.

You can ask a few thousand to leave. You can't ask a million to leave--where could Germany possibly send them?

How about back where they came from?

[USA4ME]

Have the libs even noticed that ISIS, etc... have no issues with these refugees fleeing into Europe? No, they haven't. They're not bright enough to notice, much less figure out why.

These refugees will form their own closed communities within the host countries providing the perfect cover, base, and recruitment tool to reek havoc. And these liberal governments are going to let them in to do it.

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[Big Dog]

Have the libs even noticed that ISIS, etc... have no issues with these refugees fleeing into Europe? No, they haven't. They're not bright enough to notice, much less figure out why.

These refugees will form their own closed communities within the host countries providing the perfect cover, base, and recruitment tool to reek havoc. And these liberal governments are going to let them in to do it.

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Welcome to America 2020.

[SVPete]

H-5, FaC! especially for this comment:

I would really love to find the DFW posts that express the same opinion about Central American (illegal) immigrants.

I'd love to hear what EuroFolk who condemned US people who want illegal immigrants OUT are saying now that the shoes are on their feet. If they haven't woken up, maybe being forced to live next to refugee camps/shelters for a year might enlighten them ... assuming they survive the experience.

[JakeStyle]

When DFW isn't bragging about having butt sex with Howard Dean, he can actually make some insightful comments about the immigration crisis in Europe.  He has posted in the past that while in Paris, he was mistaken for a Jew because of his unkempt beard and had a pack of muzzies harass and follow him.

[98ZJUSMC]

This further confirms at lot of things I've long suspected about liberals.

The immigration issue and them assimilating into American culture is a battering ram for the libs to use against conservatives in order to secure votes of illegal immigrants. Should the libs ever achieve their goal of eliminating conservatism, their viewpoints will suddenly be more like that of DFW and his viewpoint of those immigrating to Germany. In America, it's kiss them now with talk of freedom, force them to comply at the point of a gun later. They're everything we've ever said they are.

Otherwise, it's actually nice to see Marc (DFW) say something worthwhile for once in his life. He won't dare carry his viewpoints to include the same things happening here in the USA because his ideological ends won't permit it.

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Exactly. 

Marrah_G (27,297 posts)
73. Europe is becoming a powder keg again

I'm pretty sure this will not end peacefully. Heck, we cannot even discuss it here, on a message board an ocean away, without it becoming an argument.

Look where you are, retard, WTF do you expect?

There are no level heads when people are told to modify their way of life to accommodate people coming in from another culture,

But, in the U.S. ........

[delilahmused]

To those DUmmies who finally understand what we've been saying: welcome to conservatism!

Cindie

[SVPete]

He has posted in the past that while in Paris, he was mistaken for a Jew because of his unkempt beard and had a pack of muzzies harass and follow him.

Must've been quite a learning moment.

[JohnnyReb]

Arabic speaking/understanding German woman tells what the Muslim immigrants are saying and doing.....german with subtitles in English.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/09/video-arabic-speaking-woman-tells-what-migrants-really-say-about-infidels

[Zathras]

Have the libs even noticed that ISIS, etc... have no issues with these refugees fleeing into Europe? No, they haven't. They're not bright enough to notice, much less figure out why.

These refugees will form their own closed communities within the host countries providing the perfect cover, base, and recruitment tool to reek havoc. And these liberal governments are going to let them in to do it.

The left calls them refugees. I call them troops being pre-positioned by ISIS for the coming jihad they will be waging in Western Europe. Any countries that allows these "refugees" to cross their borders and establish communities are just signing their own death warents.

[freedumb2003b]

Have the libs even noticed that ISIS, etc... have no issues with these refugees fleeing into Europe? No, they haven't. They're not bright enough to notice, much less figure out why.

These refugees will form their own closed communities within the host countries providing the perfect cover, base, and recruitment tool to reek havoc. And these liberal governments are going to let them in to do it.

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Not just let them do it, SUBSIDIZE them to do it -- look at the model mulim "refugees" ‎Dzhokhar and ‎Tamerlan Tsarnaev who got more than $100,000 in American welfare: ‎http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/tsarnaev-family-welfare-benefits_n_3187975.html .

[JohnnyReb]

If you watch the video link I posted you'll hear/see that the Muslims discuss raping, stealing and doing other crimes. They also throw down the food offered them and demand money.....I guess it's the tax infidels have to pay Muslims for protection.

[Tess Anderson]

This further confirms at lot of things I've long suspected about liberals.

The immigration issue and them assimilating into American culture is a battering ram for the libs to use against conservatives in order to secure votes of illegal immigrants. Should the libs ever achieve their goal of eliminating conservatism, their viewpoints will suddenly be more like that of DFW and his viewpoint of those immigrating to Germany. In America, it's kiss them now with talk of freedom, force them to comply at the point of a gun later. They're everything we've ever said they are.

Otherwise, it's actually nice to see Marc (DFW) say something worthwhile for once in his life. He won't dare carry his viewpoints to include the same things happening here in the USA because his ideological ends won't permit it.

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Well, Marc realizes that these Muslims flooding Germany can't vote for his precious American democrats and then Marc does have a German wife. Multiculturalism is about to punk Europe and I think they do have it worse, because they're usually unarmed thanks to leftists like Marc. Their alliance with Muslims is temporary and short-sighted on their part.

[DUmpsterDiver]

Migrants my wrecktum.  The goat ropers arriving in Euro are as a creamy buck to hymen as fish to water.  Get a bicycle and get snipered you uncivilized bastard.