primitive wants to call National Guard into Chicago

[BattleHymn]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027189506

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 12:45 PM
Star Member global1 (12,992 posts)

Is It Time To Call In The National Guard To The Streets Of Chicago?......

Chicago weekend shooting toll: 8 dead, 45 wounded

The shootings bring the year's total to at least 2,213, according to an analysis of a Chicago Tribune database. That's an increase of more than 350 over last year and more than 500 over 2013, according to Tribune data.

There were at least 365 homicide victims in Chicago through Monday morning this year, 53 more than last year and 38 more than 2013, according to a Tribune database on homicides.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-weekend-shooting-totals-20150921-story.html

It's getting scary folks. When will the people of Chicago demand something be done. It's getting harder and harder to justify living in or going into the city.

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 12:54 PM
Tipperary (528 posts)
1. Posters here on the du do not want to discuss this type of violence although I do

not understand why not.

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:10 PM
whatthehey (1,181 posts)
3. Mostly because it is very localized and easy to almost entirely avoid for most people.

I've never lived in Chicago but I know the place reasonably well and I've lived in two other "murder capitals".

In each case the vast majority (note one or even a few examples do not refute this) of these sensationalized crimes are in limited high-risk neighborhoods among limited high risk groups. If you stay out of the battle zones (and no that doesn't mean you need to live on millionaire row) and keep away from the drug trade and street crime as chosen activities, your risk falls to a very low baseline that doesn't vary much by city, or frankly by location. Sure a few innocent residents with no option to move away get tragically caught in the crossfire, and occasionally a major grudge will cause the predators to extend their range every now and again, but these are extremity-countable out of that 300+.

Should we care about those in the battlezones, even when they choose to be participants? Of course, but that's the long game which requires deconcentrating and diminishing poverty, a paradigm shift in policing high-risk communities, infrastructure and enterprise investment, creative education policies, employer of last resort programs, welfare policy shifts, and a generation or two to work. Putting in the National Guard is likely to exacerbate the issue more than help. They will be seen as just another gang with green colors.

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:34 PM
alcibiades_mystery (32,476 posts)
6. Exactly right...I live in Chicago and you've pinned it exactly

I'm not sure where the OP lives, or what the OP means by "justifying" living in the city or going into the city. My area of the city is low crime, safe, middle and working class affordable. And quite lovely. We're also supposed to "demand" something be done, according to the OP. Usually, when Chicago shootings come up on this board it is gun types poo-pooing gun laws, or racists winking out their racism. Neither group, of course, gives a good ******* about Chicago or its people. Not sure if the OP is in either of those categories. I hope not, though. We need productive long-game solutions, as you note, not cheap theatrics for 'winning" online arguments.

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:37 PM
Tommy_Carcetti (23,423 posts)
7. I just spent two days in the heart of Baltimore.

I walked around multiple neighborhoods, drove around some more, in daytime and in nighttime, spent overnight in the middle of the city, and not once did I feel anywhere in the least bit unsafe. The very worst thing I could say about it was that Friday evening it was damn near impossible to find a parking space near the house I was staying because of all the restaurants and hot spots in the area.

And yet to someone not familiar with the ins and outs of Baltimore, I'd tell them I'm staying overnight in Baltimore and they'd think I'm crazy and I'd need a flack jacket.

But I absolutely love that city. I've been New York and DC and neither of those cities with their international allure match up with Baltimore in my opinion.

You are 100% spot on in your assessment. Yes, David Simon's version of Baltimore (and from my screen name, you can tell I'm a fan) is very true to life and realistic (to the point where The Wire could be confused with a documentary), but only for those given areas. And the problems there are very real and they need attention and community building (but not the National Guard). Major cities are huge places with a lot of different neighborhoods. And even the worst neighborhoods in these cities shouldn't be confused with actual war zones.

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:17 PM
oneshooter (7,469 posts)
10. No, I am sure that the democratically elected city officials have everything under control. n/t

You meant DEMOCRAT city officials, didn't you? I thought so.

[Chris_]

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:37 PM
Tommy_Carcetti (23,423 posts)
7. I just spent two days in the heart of Baltimore.

I walked around multiple neighborhoods, drove around some more, in daytime and in nighttime, spent overnight in the middle of the city, and not once did I feel anywhere in the least bit unsafe.

White privilege.

[BattleHymn]

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:37 PM
Tommy_Carcetti (23,423 posts)
7. I just spent two days in the heart of Baltimore.

I walked around multiple neighborhoods, drove around some more, in daytime and in nighttime, spent overnight in the middle of the city, and not once did I feel anywhere in the least bit unsafe.

That's because most people try to avoid panhandlers.

[thundley4]

Should we care about those in the battlezones, even when they choose to be participants? Of course, but that's the long game which requires deconcentrating and diminishing poverty

Obama is way ahead of the DUmmie. Obama wants to provide section 8 housing in more and more white crime-free areas to help spread the wealth through theft and robberies.

[freedumb2003b]

I stayed in the theater in downtown Chicago and felt perfectly safe day and night (even at 2:00 AM walking a mile or so).

The bad stuff happens like the song says, in the South Side. Monday evening news programs were full of murders down there, none uptown.

[98ZJUSMC]

I stayed in the theater in downtown Chicago and felt perfectly safe day and night (even at 2:00 AM walking a mile or so).

The bad stuff happens like the song says, in the South Side. Monday evening news programs were full of murders down there, none uptown.

That's where it's concentrated, of course that will never be stated because anyone who knows Chicago knows that it is almost 100% black/hee-spahn-ik.  Period.

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 01:34 PM
alcibiades_mystery (32,476 posts)
6. Exactly right...I live in Chicago and you've pinned it exactly

I'm not sure where the OP lives, or what the OP means by "justifying" living in the city or going into the city. My area of the city is low crime, safe, middle and working class affordable.

Yes.  Your nice white neighborhood on the Northwest side/Near North side. 

Blow me, primitive.  I know Chicago far better than you ever will.     It's a cesspool, no matter where you live.

You shitheads wanna call out the Guard?  Better hope it is Chicago units (useless) because if you use So Ill units, we don't put up with your trash.

Usually, when Chicago shootings come up on this board it is gun types poo-pooing gun laws, or racists winking out their racism

Shut up, asshole.  Just shut the F*ck up.  You don't know shit. 

Mon Sep 21, 2015, 05:17 PM
oneshooter (7,469 posts)
10. No, I am sure that the democratically elected city officials have everything under control. n/t

   Yeah, sure.   

[Skul]

Perhaps they need a "community organizer", too organize additional "gun free zones".
That will bring the nonsense to an immediate halt. Yup.

[Boudicca]

That's because most people try to avoid panhandlers.

Especially when they smell of yesterday's broken bottle of whiskey and the ensuing effluvia.

[Carl]

Pointing out that minority gang bangers don`t obey laws is wrong?

Talk about what a real inconvenient truth is.

[Fourwinds]

Damn. So I take it attacking a flag and a particular region of the nation didn't solve all of their problems?

[SVPete]

... they'd think I'm crazy and I'd need a flack jacket.

  So ... I guess this guy's friend thinks he's not adequate to in flack for a D-run Hell-hole, and needs a prop? How a jacket would help in that, I'm not sure.

[FlaGator]

That whole thread seems to be "I'm safe so who cares." Since most of those dying are blacks I feel this is might be another example of liberal racism but I have a feeling they don't care who's doing the dying as long as it isn't happening in their neighborhood.

[diesel driver]

Perhaps they need a "community organizer", too organize additional "gun free zones".
That will bring the nonsense to an immediate halt. Yup.

They need to take back their "community organizer" from 1600 Penn. Ave.

[Maverick1987]

That whole thread seems to be "I'm safe so who cares." Since most of those dying are blacks I feel this is might be another example of liberal racism but I have a feeling they don't care who's doing the dying as long as it isn't happening in their neighborhood.

Yep. Another example of their White Privilege and bigotry on display 

[GOBUCKS]

National Guard?

A wise man selects his tool based on the job at hand.

I'd suggest the Strategic Air Command.

[thundley4]

National Guard?

A wise man selects his tool based on the job at hand.

I'd suggest the Stragegic Air Command.

Take out Chicago and Gary, Indiana at the same time. Improve crime stats in two states at once.

[jukin]

1. It is not gun violence.
2. It is black violence.
3. Chicago has been run by the democrat party for over 80 years.
4. The community organizer in chief organized these black areas.
5. Until one can define the problem, black violence, the problem will never be solved.
6. Whitey is not responsible for black violence in the USA, Chicago, Baltimore, Philadelphia, or in the continent of Africa.
7. The problem is black violence.
8. The problem is black violence.

[98ZJUSMC]

I'd suggest the Strategic Air Command.

Suit me just fine.

[obumazombie]

They need to take back their "community organizer" from 1600 Penn. Ave.

There is no problem in Chicago.
The community organizer in chief fixed all of that when he was a community organizer in Chicago.
Someone is lying or propagandizing.
Nothing to see here except...

Yep. Another example of their White Privilege and bigotry on display