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[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

A hop-ocrite

TheMastersNemesis (4,913 posts)

Us Becoming Balkanized. Losing Sense Of Common Purpose.
It just seems like the forces of division are so great the country is losing any sense of common purpose. There are so many secessionist and contrary movements you wonder what our country will look like 50 years from now. We have so many elements who want to secede from the union or substantially change the Constitution that we could look like Africa over time with multiple tribal regions.

Gun owners want open carry everywhere and insist the public accept AK 47's and whatever anywhere in public. In movie theaters, court rooms, schools, playgrounds, grocery stores, bars, etc, etc, etc. Christians want government by the Bible, prayer in schools, creation science, alchemy or whatever. Certain elements want to get rid of all public lands and public roads. Other elements want NO public employees and only private government. Others want gated communities with their own disaster escape plans and own amenities. Other elements only want white control or white areas having townships like South Africa.

And such divisions go on and on and get more mean by the day. If certain elements got their way the South would have its own nation. California would be divided into 5 states. Illinois would be two states Chicago and down state. New York would have two states. Cities would be their own states and rural areas would be separate states.

We are turning into the Hatfields and McCoys politically. I am tired of the meme "get out of my country".

The2ndWheel (7,065 posts)

7. Your not wanting the things listed in the first two paragraphs contributes to that sense

of losing a common purpose. Your version of common purpose isn't inherently or objectively better than the version of common purpose that someone else has.

One of the main reasons we have such mass societies with a theoretical common purpose is because the energy is cheap enough to keep it all together. People are tribal. You can see it in your post, and that's not a knock against you. The number 300 million doesn't even make sense. We can't really conceptualize how many people are Americans. Every Senator, on average, is somehow supposed to represent millions of people. Every congressperson, on average, is somehow supposed to represent hundreds of thousands of people. That's impossible. Of course you couldn't add more representatives though, to get things to a more human scale, because then there would be far too many cooks in the kitchen, and absolutely nothing would get done.

Then you have the idea where every person is supposed to follow their own dreams, which helps to decrease anything common. You have groups of people, and then sub groups, and sub groups of the sub groups, and etc, etc, etc, and they're all supposed to somehow work together in the end. All the technology we have makes more and more people need each other less. You can move from one city, to another city, to another state, to another country if you want, decreasing any ties you have to people and places.

What's really the one thing that a lot of people have in common? They pay taxes. The infrastructure those taxes pay for is about the only thing keeping 300+ million people together. So outside of all of us being "Americans", which is just a label that exists in our own minds like anything else, what is supposed to be our common purpose? Freedom? Freedom to do what? Anything you want.

TheMastersNemesis (4,913 posts)

8. The Point Of My OP Is That It Seems We Are Out Of Balance When I Comes To Common Goals.

We had a more common purpose when care taking our publicly held resources like national parks, infrastructure et al. Now we have movements that want to split up our most needed resources like water, highways, sewer systems and sell them off of even foreign corporations. Public ownership of resources bind us together and it is really like socialism. Our public school system is part of that infrastructure. Now there are forces that want to fragment and eliminate public educations altogether.

There has always been a tug of war over federal versus local control. However there are some things where local control does not work very well. There are certain resources that should not become commodities. Water is one of the most crucial. When you make that a commodity that can be traded like stock and monetize it in such a negative way it becomes a problem.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027121239

[SVPete]

  2ndW pointed out that TMN's post assumes that his particular outlooks are the "common goals", when in facts they are what is being debated. And TMN can't see his own hypocrisy, let alone acknowledge it. Same 1990s Tolerance Game slightly changed phrasing, yawwwwwwwwn ...

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

A hop-ocrite

LOL! H5!

Now, let's evaluate the Masticating Nutsack's latest brainless rant:
"It just seems like the forces of division are so great the country is losing any sense of common purpose."
That's certainly the case, largely due to Obama. He is the most intentionally- divisive president I've ever seen in my 31 years of life. This president, billed as the "Great Unifier," relentlessly seeks in his speeches and policies to turn American citizens against each other along economic, religious, racial, and ESPECIALLY political lines.

" There are so many secessionist and contrary movements you wonder what our country will look like 50 years from now. We have so many elements who want to secede from the union or substantially change the Constitution that we could look like Africa over time with multiple tribal regions."
I haven't come across ANY real secessionist movements, anyone in their right mind who really wants to secede. "Contrary movements" is basically just by him as a code for "Groups of people who disagree with me and the Almighty Obama." As for substantially changing the Constitution, look at all the DUmmies who have recently talked about how much they want to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

"Gun owners want open carry everywhere and insist the public accept AK 47's and whatever anywhere in public. In movie theaters, court rooms, schools, playgrounds, grocery stores, bars, etc, etc, etc."
Dude, not even the most dedicated NRA buffs want all that, and you know it.

" Christians want government by the Bible, prayer in schools, creation science, alchemy or whatever."
That's bull and you know it. There are tens of millions of Christians in this country, and you assume every single one of them, or even a substantial number, wants that? Christians just want the freedom to practice their beliefs and act according to the basic dictates of their consciences without having to worry about meddling government officials or bigoted scum like you trying to tell them what to believe (That whole pesky "Nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof" part of the 1st Amendment). btw, nice job further reveling in what a bigot you are by including the "Alchemy" line.

"Certain elements want to get rid of all public lands and public roads. Other elements want NO public employees and only private government."
I've never seen anyone propose any of those things.

"Other elements only want white control or white areas having townships like South Africa."
I've never seen anyone propose that, other than maybe some ultra- lunatic- fringe white- supremacist/ skinhead groups that nobody, Democrats or Republicans, takes seriously.

"And such divisions go on and on and get more mean by the day."
Divisions certainly have been getting progressively meaner. Just look at DU.

" If certain elements got their way the South would have its own nation."
Again, I haven't seen anyone credibly talk about secession. If anything, the Left is more interested in secession than the Right is, as shown by their love of those asinine "New America/ Jesusland" maps.

"California would be divided into 5 states. "
The only people I've seen proposing anything along those lines are the Aztlan/ La Raza nutcases, and those guys aren't exactly diehard conservatives.

"We are turning into the Hatfields and McCoys politically."
Again, thank Obama and your fellow rabid uber- leftists for that.

[SVPete]

"California would be divided into 5 states. "
The only people I've seen proposing anything along those lines are the Aztlan/ La Raza nutcases, and those guys aren't exactly diehard conservatives.

Actually, ideas along these lines have long been batted around by serious people, but not over partisan issues as such. It's more along the lines of:

* Frustration over NorCal water being sent off to the Land of LA, water used and needed by farmers and residents of NorCal; this frustration dates back at least to the 1960s, and probably longer than that;

* Big urban areas like the Land of LA, San Diego, Silicon Valley, and SF-Oakland imposing all kinds of pseudo-science Enviro-crap on productive people and driving industries such as mining, forestry, and manufacturing out of less populous areas.

FWIW, my Dad was a farmer in Central CA, and I have lived in Silicon Valley since the middle of the Carter MALAdministration. So I've seen/heard this for 5+ decades from multiple sides.

[SVPete]

Other than that bit of California arcana, well stated and H-5 given, Mb-TS!

[Big Dog]

Gun owners want open carry everywhere and insist the public accept AK 47's and whatever anywhere in public.

The hopping hoplophobe is delusional. He should see his doctor and find out of the gangrene has come back, and it's time to amputate another body part... something a bit father north.

[BlueStateSaint]

The hopping hoplophobe is delusional. He should see his doctor and find out of the gangrene has come back, and it's time to amputate another body part... something a bit father north.

I wonder--has he admitted to any drug use in the past?

If so . . . We may have an answer as to why he's this way.

[Carl]

We had a more common purpose when care taking our publicly held resources like national parks, infrastructure et al. Now we have movements that want to split up our most needed resources like water, highways, sewer systems and sell them off of even foreign corporations. Public ownership of resources bind us together and it is really like socialism. Our public school system is part of that infrastructure. Now there are forces that want to fragment and eliminate public educations altogether.

What happened shoeless Bob is leftists hooked on to those things in the form of a make a paycheck but do nothing "job" with 10 people accomplishing less then 1 could do.

[Patriot Guard Rider]

TheMastersNemesis (4,913 posts)

Us Becoming Balkanized. Losing Sense Of Common Purpose.
It just seems like the forces of division are so great the country is losing any sense of common purpose. There are so many secessionist and contrary movements you wonder what our country will look like 50 years from now. We have so many elements who want to secede from the union or substantially change the Constitution that we could look like Africa over time with multiple tribal regions.

Gun owners want open carry everywhere and insist the public accept AK 47's and whatever anywhere in public. In movie theaters, court rooms, schools, playgrounds, grocery stores, bars, etc, etc, etc. Christians want government by the Bible, prayer in schools, creation science, alchemy or whatever. Certain elements want to get rid of all public lands and public roads. Other elements want NO public employees and only private government. Others want gated communities with their own disaster escape plans and own amenities. Other elements only want white control or white areas having townships like South Africa.

And such divisions go on and on and get more mean by the day. If certain elements got their way the South would have its own nation. California would be divided into 5 states. Illinois would be two states Chicago and down state. New York would have two states. Cities would be their own states and rural areas would be separate states.

We are turning into the Hatfields and McCoys politically. I am tired of the meme "get out of my country".

Here is a hint then ya da*n DUmmie, you guys QUIT fomenting division by splitting everyone up into various grievance groups and start holding PEOPLE, you know, INDIVIDUALS, accountable for their actions. Michael Brown was a 6'4", 290 lb THUG (some called him a "child" who was only 18), who got his a*s shot for attacking a cop. Yet YOU PEOPLE immediately say an "unarmed black man (collective label), shot by police. It's the DEM way. NEVER hold the individual responsible for their behavior.

You people get what you want, then complain it's the way you want. Man, I'm glad God invented beer.

[FiddyBeowulf]

The2ndWheel (7,065 posts)

7. Your not wanting the things listed in the first two paragraphs contributes to that sense

of losing a common purpose. Your version of common purpose isn't inherently or objectively better than the version of common purpose that someone else has.

One of the main reasons we have such mass societies with a theoretical common purpose is because the energy is cheap enough to keep it all together. People are tribal. You can see it in your post, and that's not a knock against you. The number 300 million doesn't even make sense. We can't really conceptualize how many people are Americans. Every Senator, on average, is somehow supposed to represent millions of people. Every congressperson, on average, is somehow supposed to represent hundreds of thousands of people. That's impossible. Of course you couldn't add more representatives though, to get things to a more human scale, because then there would be far too many cooks in the kitchen, and absolutely nothing would get done.

How about repealing the 17th Amendment for a start?

[wasp69]

TheMastersNemesis (4,913 posts)

Us Becoming Balkanized. Losing Sense Of Common Purpose.

Well, DUmbass, that is pretty much the logical conclusion of group politics.

[txradioguy]

Well, DUmbass, that is pretty much the logical conclusion of group politics.

Group politics....identity politics...gender politics and allowing people into this country without requiring them to assimilate into the American culture.

[CollectivismMustDie]

The hop-o-cratic oath:

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won snap card gains of those DUmmies in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such lobster and beer as is mine with those who are to follow. I will apply, for the benefit of the other DUmmies, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of showering and rational thought. I will remember that there is art to being a taker, as well as amputation, and that free stuff, more free stuff, and even more free stuff may outweigh anyone elses need to keep their own money. I will not be ashamed to say "I move slow," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when a riot is needed to because I hate whitie. I will respect the privacy of my fellow DUmmies, even though their problems are shouted out loud to the point of making people sick. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death, but abortion doesn't count so whatever. If it is publicly funded to end a pregnancy, so much the better. But it may also be within my power to trip and fall, this awesome power, must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty, while faking evidence for additional disability claims. Above all, I must not acknowledge God. I will remember that I do not care if other people have to pay more, but that my wants and whims, whose perversity can not be questioned, come before the family and economic stability of others. My desires to live the rat life must be fulfilled, if I am to party adequately on the beach. I will game the system whenever I can, for deceit is preferable to panhandling. I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special privileges over and above all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of fleecing those who pay for my lifestyle.

 

CMD

[obumazombie]

Leave it to a bunny to call someone a Hop O crit.
He's a hippopot o crit.

[Maverick1987]

hippopot o crit.

 

[Big Dog]

TheMastersNemesis (4,913 posts)

Us Becoming Balkanized.

Us Becoming?

Damn, Hopalong. Is gNads ghost-writing your shit now?