Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027077919

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:01 PM

ghostsinthemachine (631 posts)

Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again
Ever.

Don't say it.

Don't think it.

Don't write it.

Don't spell it on Scrabble.

Don't even see what other words you can make with the letters that form black on black crime.

It is the dumbest, most ridiculously racist phrase used to describe crime in the world right now.

Have you ever heard anybody talk about white on white crime? Have you ever seen any white folk march about white crime, have conferences or gatherings focused on white on white crime? Don't lie—you know you haven't.

Almost all crime in America is committed intra-racially. That is to say, the overwhelming majority of crimes are committed by a racial group against that same group.

Yet, the only race-based phrase to ever describe crime is black on black.

Did you know....

Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population.

In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/14/1412131/-Don-t-you-ever-say-black-on-black-crime-again?detail=facebook

Truth and reality are holy water to a leftist.

Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:04 PM

ram2008 (446 posts)
1. I'm not seeing how it's a racist phrase

It is a very serious issue that deserves attention, calling people racist who want to help solve it helps no one.

You are living in the real world.
Unacceptable

Response to ram2008 (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:23 PM

Star Member Fred Sanders (15,584 posts)
4. What are "white on brown" or "white on red" crimestats? Now do you see how the term is racist??

Honestly, I would like your reply.

"I don't know how it is a racist phrase"....wow. It was just explained to you!

If that is the level of understanding of even a few Sanders supporters or anyone that lives and breathes.....then I got nothing else to add.

See?

Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #4)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:25 PM

ram2008 (446 posts)
5. There are statistics for that

Inter and intra racial stats exist, their existence doesn't mean anyone's racist.

Response to ram2008 (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:28 PM

Star Member Fred Sanders (15,584 posts)
7. You are again missing the point, or not wanting to see the point, because that some guy can figure out the stats is not the point. Try again.

For the point, please re-read the OP...or for the first time.

We don`t need no stimkin facts!

Response to Fred Sanders (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 06:21 PM

Star Member Ed Suspicious (4,615 posts)
44. You feel there is not value in understanding the statistical implication of who perpetrates and who

is victimized by crime? I'm not sure I do either, but I haven't given it enough thought. I won't dismiss it out of hand.

Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #44)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 07:12 PM

Star Member Fred Sanders (15,584 posts)
67. You feel there is value in constructing strawmen questions?

Good mole or actual leftist,you decide.

Response to ram2008 (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:33 PM

pnwmom (62,507 posts)
9. The people who use that dehumanizing phrase don't want to HELP.

They're trying to minimize their own responsibility and shift it to black people.

Yeah,I made the black guy knife/shoot the other black guy because I am a cracka.
Imbecile retard.

Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 06:28 PM

monicaangela (18 posts)
47. The term is gut wrenching and does appear to have racial connotations

but as the article states, crime is more likely to be perpetrated on those in close proximity. If the nation was more integrated maybe crime would be more difficult to classify in this manner. I wonder if the recent discovery of so many white policemen killing African Americans was added to the equation when whoever did this study did the study. I also wonder if the information they were looking for when they did the study was available to them, and I wonder if that information were known, would it have changed their statistics. I personally believe that the info of which I speak would skew those numbers to no end and therefore disqualify the term.

Response to monicaangela (Reply #47)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 08:30 PM

Igel (22,436 posts)
109. Not everything racial is racist.

We're terrified of being called the word "racist," against there is no defense. The best you can hope for is to ignore it--the more you protest, the more you lose.

Sometimes it's just plain idiocy to confuse the two. There was a hypertension drug that passed the FDA tests. But once in use, it was found to be fairly ineffective. They squared the circle by looking at the data and found that the drug was effective among African-Americans. The drug was useless with whites and Asians. The first impulse, the first reports, declared the study racist because it said there was a difference between blacks and whites in the US. This was pure knee-jerk mindless drivel of the highest order: The "racism" pointed out a biological, gene-based difference that was targeted by a specific chemical when in the human body, a difference that had the not trivial promise of saving lives. Why? Because it's also true that the AfAm community has a higher hypertension rate. And, yes, this simple factual, true observation has also been called racist because it pointed out something racial. (Last I heard, preliminary evidence showed that this was also true of sub-Saharan Africans who adopted a Western, high-salt diet, but that was preliminary.)

We also twist ourselves into little knotted nappies every time SNAP and other entitlement programs crop up because we're afraid of self-appointed spokesmen who are concerned about image. Now it's inflammatory and racist to point out that AfAm folk disproportionately receive SNAP; at one point 45% or so of welfare recipients were AfAm. Now it's progressive to point out the same fact, because it's prima facie evidence that something needs to be done to alleviate poverty. Same fact. Now it's racist, now it's progressive. Depends not on what use you make of it. What matters is what the self-appointed Judge of the universe condemning or praising you suspects you really intend by mentioning the fact--is it this 30000 Hz dog whistle that only dogs hear? Or is your heart pure, cleansed of all sin? Because you can't be trusted to mean what you say you mean.

That said, there are lots of classes of crimes. One is called "stranger homicide." Most homicides are between people who know each other. Stranger homicides are homicides in which there's no (known) connection between the killer and the killee.

AA offenders commit about half of stranger homicides. 13% of the population, 49% or so of offenders. This is a fact; it is not racist, it is not progressive, it is not reactionary. It merely is. However, like a lot of other categories, it is skewed. If the homicide rate were constant across all racial groups, it would not be nearly that high.

enjoy your stay,it is not a politically beneficial argument to the left who are content with blacks killing each other as long as they vote the way the white liberal elite dictate they should.

Response to HereSince1628 (Reply #52)

Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:26 PM

Travis_0004 (3,134 posts)
137. Here

Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 07:28 PM

Zenlitened (9,473 posts)
74. It's a right-wing talking point. And right-wingers are racists...

...practically by definition. So yes, it's a racist term. The use, meaning and intent are obvious, every time.

Yet day after day, conservatives prove the adage, "Stupid people think the rest of us are as stupid as they are.

You just proved how stupid you are.

[thundley4]

Don't even see what other words you can make with the letters that form black on black crime.

Nicker Mob Callback

Crank Bill Comeback

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A Blank Cock Climber

[miskie]

Travis_0004 posted that data in a couple of places on the thread.. And here is how DU is dismissing it, even though the data has been normalized over per 1 million of the murderer's race. Math is not their strong suit. Neither is reading comprehension.

95. Point taken, but some of these numbers are obscenely misleading - could in fact be classified as

nonsense. Just as an example, let's say there are 4 times as many whites as blacks in the US. Then, if, say, you chose the murders of 5 white people at random, the simple percentages imply that 4 of those murders were perpetrated by another white person, while one would be perpetrated by a black person.

2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year.


This statement is completely content free out of context. I can't even figure out what it's doing these, except to show a small decimal number. It's like when the NRA says you're more likely to be struck by a meteor than shot by an AR-whatever. So what? That doesn't excuse any of the murders with an AR.

In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American.


Again, the difference in the raw numbers of blacks and whites accounts for much of this. If the interracial murder rate was "the same", there would be many more white on black murders than the reverse.

Our entire crime rate, especially the violent crime rate, is awful. Painting a distorted picture using bogus numbers adds emotion, with almost no contribution to the solution.

rec anyway

[miskie]

UhOh -- Long time poster spilled reality juice all over the thread..   

127. Let's look at the numbers, shall we?

Leading Causes of Death by Age Group, Black Males-United States, 2013

1-4: Unintentional injuries, homicide, birth defects, heart disease, cancer
5-9: Unintentional injuries, cancer, chronic lower respiratory diseases, birth defects, homicide
10-14: Unintentional injuries, homicide, cancer, suicide, chronic lower respiratory diseases
15-19: Homicide, unintentional injuries, suicide, heart disease, cancer
20-24: Homicide, unintentional injuries, suicide, heart disease, cancer
25-34: Homicide, unintentional injuries, heart disease, suicide, cancer
35-44: Heart disease, unintentional injuries, homicide, cancer, HIV

http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2013/Blackmales2013.pdf

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Percent of male deaths from homicide in all races in the 20-24 cohort:

Natives: 6.9%

Asians: 7.7%

Whites: 8.0%

Hispanics: 19.9%

Blacks: 49.9%

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Murder victims by age, sex, and race:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-2

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When we say "Black Lives Matter," do we mean "Only If The Perpetrator Is A White Cop?"

Or do black lives lost to stupid street violence also matter?

It's dangerous to be a young black man.

Ben Carson thanks you for your vote.

[ColonelCarrots]

Reality is like this to them 

[Delmar]

Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)Sat Aug 15, 2015, 12:19 AM
romanic (1,124 posts)
125. You can choose not to say it.

That doesn't mean it won't go away. The reality for those who live in low-income, mostly black neighborhoods, is that they are preyed upon by the people that live around them: aka, other black people. Lack of jobs, shitty schools, broken homes, little to no policing, no dreams or hope...people get desperate and/or don't give a **** about others. It happens a lot in the hood. Statistics don't lie and black-on-black crime is an issue that needs to be discussed

And if you want to express your gratitude for all that, here's who you can thank:

http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats

Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)Sat Aug 15, 2015, 05:10 PM
Ms. Toad (13,079 posts)
136. The context in which I first heard it outside of scholarly documents

was to counter the myth that black people are out to of the big evil black man who is out to kill/maim/rape/etc. white people - by way of pointing out that intra-racial crime is much more prevalent than interracial crime.

Using that phrase as a counter-argument may have devolved to have negative racial connotations - things often do, but it was used to expressly counter racism for at least several years after I first heard it.

(And - FWIW, I have heard the phrase white-on-white crime and, less frequently, other racial variations. But that is generally because such phrases are common in some of the scholarly documents I read.)

Wow.  I'm impressed.  Ms. Toad must be some kind of intellectual to be perusing all these scholarly documents.

[Carl]

And if you want to express your gratitude for all that, here's who you can thank:

http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats


Wow.  I'm impressed.  Ms. Toad must be some kind of intellectual to be perusing all these scholarly documents.

I don`t know if black America will ever wake up to what the democrat party has done to them.

[landofconfusion80]

[thundley4]

I don`t know if black America will ever wake up to what the democrat party has done to them.

A few blacks have, but they are all conservatives and ignored by the MSM or dismissed as "Uncle Toms".

[DLR Pyro]

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:01 PM

ghostsinthemachine (631 posts)

Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again
Ever.

Don't say it.

Don't think it.

Don't write it.

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[Ptarmigan]

Fri Aug 14, 2015, 05:01 PM

ghostsinthemachine (631 posts)

Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again
Ever.

Don't say it.

Don't think it.

Don't write it.

Don't spell it on Scrabble.

Don't even see what other words you can make with the letters that form black on black crime.

It is the dumbest, most ridiculously racist phrase used to describe crime in the world right now.

Have you ever heard anybody talk about white on white crime? Have you ever seen any white folk march about white crime, have conferences or gatherings focused on white on white crime? Don't lie—you know you haven't.

Almost all crime in America is committed intra-racially. That is to say, the overwhelming majority of crimes are committed by a racial group against that same group.

Yet, the only race-based phrase to ever describe crime is black on black.

Did you know....

Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population.

In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/14/1412131/-Don-t-you-ever-say-black-on-black-crime-again?detail=facebook

Black on Black crime is real. Heard of Chicago or Baltimore? Hello?

[GOBUCKS]

Don't you ever say 'black on black crime' again

I've never considered it crime.

When hoodrats kill one another it's a public service.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Quote from: Doctor_J (32,956 posts)

95. Point taken, but some of these numbers are obscenely misleading - could in fact be classified as

nonsense. Just as an example, let's say there are 4 times as many whites as blacks in the US. Then, if, say, you chose the murders of 5 white people at random, the simple percentages imply that 4 of those murders were perpetrated by another white person, while one would be perpetrated by a black person.

Well, you're an idiot.  The bar graph is already expressed in terms of rate, not gross numbers, by the murderer's race.  If you want to exclude multiple killers, or compare which has more multiple killers, such information can be gleaned from other stats, but you might not like the answer on that, either.

[SVPete]

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... AND WITH YOU!!!

[txradioguy]

Almost all crime in America is committed intra-racially. That is to say, the overwhelming majority of crimes are committed by a racial group against that same group.

No it's not. 

And to answer one of your other stupid parts of this rant...

Have you ever heard anybody talk about white on white crime?

White on white crime gets reported all the time.  What people take issue with is when ritalin chewing mouth breathers like you start spouting off falsehoods about whites (and white cops) targeting black people and killing them like it's a sport.

That's when we start pointing out those pesky little things called facts to you.

Have you ever seen any white folk march about white crime, have conferences or gatherings focused on white on white crime? Don't lie—you know you haven't

That's because the moment someone tried to do that you and the rest of the bigoted left would immediately shriek "racist!".

Congratulations..you've cowered people into exactly what you want them to be.

[Rebel]

And when you factor in the fact that black people are only about 12.3% of the entire population...


Houston, we have a major ****ing problem!

[FlaGator]

If you will not identify and name them problem, you will never solve the problem. I guess the libs have decided that aborting black children wasn't killing enough blacks so now they want blacks to kill their unaborted brethren.

[DumbAss Tanker]

And when you factor in the fact that black people are only about 12.3% of the entire population...


Houston, we have a major ****ing problem!

Actually it's already expressed in terms of rate per hundred thousand, the chart would say the same thing whether the Black population was 5% or 50% of the population.  Of course it does imply that, other things being held constant, if that particular 12-13% of the population disappeared overnight, the total murder rate would drop off to about one seventh of the current grand total (First and last bars are Black perps, accounting for 63+ of the 74+ murders per 100,000).

[zeitgeist]

How many here think the crimes committed in this op were done by renegade Amish ute's??  Bueller??

philosslayer (993 posts)

93-year-old Tuskegee Airman robbed, then carjacked on same day

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/19/us/missouri-tuskegee-airman-robbed-carjacked/index.html

Absolutely disgusting. Story at the link. An excerpt:

The World War II veteran got lost while trying to find his daughter's home Sunday morning and pulled over to call her, CNN affiliate KMOV reported.

That's when a suspect got into his car in broad daylight and robbed him. The assailant fled in another vehicle. The victim tried to track down the robber, but to no avail. So he pulled over again to ask two men for help.

Those two men then carjacked the elderly man, KMOV said. The car was found two days later, St. Louis police said.

So one guy robbed him, he asked for help, and the two men he asked for help proceeded to carjack him.

There were no posts on this thread when last I checked.      Guess not all black lives matter when it is BOB crime!

Link: http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10027090592

[Rebel]

How many here think the crimes committed in this op were done by renegade Amish ute's??  Bueller??

There were no posts on this thread when last I checked.      Guess not all black lives matter when it is BOB crime!

Link: http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10027090592

https://www.facebook.com/wowt6news/videos/10153523870657086/?hc_location=ufi

WOWT 6 News was sent this video from Fr. James Netusil, Associate Pastor at Saint Cecilia Cathedral. In the video, two males rush in, grab a woman's purse, punch her in the side of the face, and take off. If you have info, call Crime Stoppers at 402-444-STOP.

This is happening more and more and more and it's almost ALWAYS black thugs doing the shit.

[jukin]

First,
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Actually it's already expressed in terms of rate per hundred thousand, the chart would say the same thing whether the Black population was 5% or 50% of the population.  Of course it does imply that, other things being held constant, if that particular 12-13% of the population disappeared overnight, the total number of murders would drop off to about one seventh of the current grand total (First and last bars are Black perps, accounting for 63+ of the 74+ murders per 100,000).

DAT it isn't 13%. It is black males from 14 to40 which is around 3% of the population. 3 F*CKING percent.

The cost of that 3% in hospitals (St. Louis main hospital is used for army combat training), the policing cost, and of course the prison costs. That is hugely disproportionate amount of resources going to that 3%.