FourScore (8,936 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027058637
Political Awareness Matters: How Black Lives Matter Are Screwing Themselves -- And the Rest of Us
*waaa waaa... don't protest us! protest those other meanies! waaa waaa*
It's time to call out BLM: If you want to change policy, and the racist culture handed down from Washington, you are going to need to win 200 seats in congress, plus the presidency. Would you mind telling us your plan to do that?
KOS basicly says, 'STFU Negro and get back to the rear of the bus!'
This is the American political landscape:
To the far, far right is the Republican Party.
To the center-right is the corporate-mainstream of the Democratic Party, including Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
To the center-left is the Congressional Progressive Caucus – with 68 seats out of 535 members of Congress.
And then, to the far, far left, are Michael Moore, Maxine Waters, and Bernie Sanders.
yes... according to KOS, Hill and Barry are center right.
alcibiades_mystery (32,262 posts)
1. Watching a particular segment of the Left trying to win the nomination while shitting all over the most important black civil rights protests of the last 20 years will be fun and interesting.
...says a HILLBOT
ibegurpard (11,957 posts)
3. watching said protesters Call an entire city full of white liberal likely allies white supremacists is also interesting. I'd like to know how they plan to do something about racism without allies.
...'Them negroes can't do anything right. We have to show them how to be free.'
alcibiades_mystery (32,262 posts)
12. Exposing fake allies in their fakery is equally useful
Making people think about their inch-deep allegiances similarly.
If two or three folks interrupting your idol is all it takes to shit on a protest movement supported by 80+% of one of your main constituencies, well...
HILLBOT calls Bernie a fake ally of the negro.
RichVRichV (176 posts)
20. How is Bernie a fake ally?
cascadiance (17,408 posts)
60. They're doing a pretty piss poor job of trying to make the case that we are "fake"...
What really is "fake" is any kind of effort they are making to try and work with others that are trying to work with them to further their cause. Don't want to label all BLM people like that, but this is just more than a few of the apples in the cart. If it were some random acts of irresponsibility, I would like to think someone would have apologized for these actions and made better gestures afterward, instead of trying to disown someone that did try to take that step to put a better face on the movement. That just slaps away people that want to do good things for the movement. Both those that aren't POC, and also I suspect many POC that might otherwise want to unite with the movement but rightly don't like the approach that so many are taking now, are both being pushed away now.
BERNIETROLL fires back.
Gravitycollapse (7,128 posts)
2. This article is condescending and tone deaf.
It reminds me of the idiotic comments made by the Mayor of Ferguson during protests last year. He spoke to black protesters like they were children.
The BLM is not in the business of appeasing Bernie Sanders or his supporters. They are seeking social justice. And if that means pissing off the self-aggrandizing liberal base, so be it.
...says another HILLBOT
6000eliot (4,919 posts)
7. I called a "follow the money" post out on another thread for this very reason. Why does anyone think that telling black people to sit down and shut up about this is going to help THEIR cause?
HILLBOT
pnwmom (62,157 posts)
15. No one's listening, either. They made it clear what their goal is and you, among others, just ignored it. n/t
BLMSTORMTROOPER
pnwmom (62,157 posts)
22. It was in my post. The second link is from their Facebook page.
BLM made a clear statement today about they want the candidates to do: come up with a strong criminal justice reform policy that will stop the systematic injuries to black people.
That's what we should be pushing for. Not for BLM to shut up.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter_55c68f14e4b0923c12bd197e
"Bernie, you were confronted at NetRoots at by black women," Johnson said. "You have yet to put out a criminal justice reform package like O’Malley did."
https://www.facebook.com/BLMSeattle/posts/716844418437393
Presidential candidates will not win Black votes without putting out an explicit criminal justice reform package. As was said at the Netroots action, presidential candidates should expect to be shut down and confronted every step along the way of this presidential campaign
BLMGESTAPO
Gravitycollapse (7,128 posts)
19. Seattle is one of the gentrification capitals of the US.
White supremacy is not simply a mind-set. It's a form of institutional power. It exists fundamentally in the economic, social and legal structure of this country and is exemplified perfectly in the kind of injustices perpetrated in cities like Seattle.
Lacking awareness of the problem seals one's role as complicit in the white supremacist power structure.
Yes... Seattle is the capitol of white supremacy... as stated by DU and BLM.
romanic (1,004 posts)
40. Then what is the solution?
Prevent white folk from moving into cities from the suburbs? Separate whites from blacks from living in the same hood for fear the whites will drive up the rent? Prevent investments and grants in black communities for fear it'll make the area attractive and lure in non-black folk?
Regardless, I stand by my opinion that the whole "white supremacist liberals" remark is disgusting and indignant. I'm not interesting in playing the blame game and pointing fingers and participating in pointless in-fighting.
...is DU preaching for segregation?
FourScore (8,936 posts)
26. Fine. They can have their protest, but then GET OFF THE STAGE!!!
They kept the mic for 20 f*cking minutes and refused to let Sanders respond. People came to listen to HIM. It was an ambush, not a protest.
Why haven't they done that with Clinton? Why do they keep doing it to Bernie? It stinks.
Yeah... it makes you wonder if Hillary maybe shoveled some of those billions of dollars into some black hands...
pnwmom (62,157 posts)
29. Clinton hasn't been having this kind of event. She's been meeting with small groups of supporters
and doing fundraising for herself and other Democrats. She's not going to run into protesters inside that type of event. Once she starts doing them, she'll have Secret Service protection that will keep them at a safe distance.
Protesters at political gatherings is nothing new. I'm kind of surprised that the event organizers aren't doing more to rein this in. Bernie patiently waited for a long time. Instead of having him finally leave and giving up on the event, they should have escorted the women out.
true.... very small groups of chosen supporters.... protected by a wall of security.... away from the public...
daredtowork (3,357 posts)
37. Black Posters Matter - On DU!
I was doing Jury Service early and found out that Bravenak's account had been "flagged for review" after being alert swarmed.
WTF.
I mean seriously. WTF.
If we are going to have a discussion about Black Lives Matter, don't we have to open up that discussion first and make sure that Black Posters Matter?
The jury situation I was involved with was someone who was complaining about the Bravenak situation - and even that was low key. He said: "And one black poster was banned for getting real?"
I had to research what he was talking about.
This led me to Bravenak, who had failed to get on the DU bandwagon about Seattle.
As a Bernie supporter, I'm also upset about Seattle. As a Black Lives Matter supporter, I also think it makes their movement look bad. My kneejerk reaction was this might have been a Hillary operation. Someone thought this was GOP provocateurs. Either way it split #BLM from the social left and made them look bad. That was my kneejerk reaction.
But then I saw some of Bravenak's hidden posts. She was bringing the perspective there was some white supremacists among Bernie supporters. When I had asked in another thread what was going on in the actual #BLM thread, someone said that an apology to Bernie had been rescinded: that makes me curious. Perhaps Bravenak was trying to communicate something that was worth listening to. She made other remarks along the lines of how this could have been toned down at Netroots Nation and other ways Bernie could have handled Seattle. Seemed worth listening to rather than HIDING.
What a bunch of Jury Fails. And now Bravenak's account is Flagged for Review. Shouldn't we have some direct insight into the #BLM movement rather than labeling it as disruptive when POC don't say what we want them to be saying to us? Dang.
Is there any way to undo that decision?
Anyway, I still suspect that what happened in Seattle had some political operative prompting. It's just too convenient for Hillary. However, Bravenak's remarks about pockets of white supremacists coming out for Bernie gave me pause for thought -- especially after all the #AllLivesMatter dog whistles used by Hillary, O'Malley, AND Bernie. That hashtag is the dog whistle for a wealthy white supremacist elite who wouldn't regard itself as such - it just assumes white privilege is equivalent to universal and goes nuts pressuring politicians for reaffirmation if that idea is threatened. If that IS the issue, though, I'd question why #BLM is targeting Bernie rather than Hillary. I would like to have Bravenak here to ask.
DU negro needs to STFU.
TM99 (3,600 posts)
64. There is zero proof that any Sanders supporters
are 'white supremacists'. That is either hyperbole or a smear.
And Sanders has followed up on the criticism level at NN by BLM there. Please research here for recent discussions of this.
I don't really know what the prayer deal is about. This particular event was not his rally alone. He was simply a speaker among many on the anniversary of Social Security and Medicare.
And if she is calling supporters white supremacists without proof or valid cause, then yes, it is very disruptive. This is not dissent-suppression. There are plenty of disagreements on both sides but I do not see such hyperbolic name calling being used without juired consequences. She took the risk. She lives with the consequences. I can respect her for other posts and viewpoints, and I can still very much disagree with her hyperbole today.
remind me again who started the entire Barry's birth certificate thing again?.... Hillary? oh, yeah... thats right.
Joe Chi Minh (14,505 posts)
73. Yep. Something about it all fishy. Since when have right-wing Dems been
more favourable to the cause of persecuted racial minorities than left-wing Jews.
The Jews, themselves, know a thing or two about racial bigotry and discrimination, all have very long memories. And let's not forget, Jew-haters claiming it's only Israel you hate - Israel is a small island of civilized behaviour in an ocean of the most barbaric, terrorist 'crazies' - admittedly partly created by the US, who now, however, seem to be financially sponsoring them, when not attacking them by air!
that won't go over well... calling the Arab muslim states barbaric terrorist crazies...
FourScore (8,936 posts)
51. The protest lasted over 20 minutes...They tussled with the organizers...
People took time out of their daily lives and got off work to hear Bernie speak, but never got a chance to hear him because the protesters REFUSED to let him respond...Bernie's life could have been in danger for all we know.
The tactics were crass and alienating. People all over the internet are saying that they stand with the cause but not with the method. It went to far.
Why don't they crash a Hillary event next time?
Lancero (1,197 posts)
53. Who knows? Perhaps Hillary is doing something diffrient then Bernies campaign is?
You know what the crowd did at his speach?
Right as the protests walked on stage the mainly WHITE crowd called for them to be arrested. Before they even started talking, white people - completely afraid of what they had to say - immediately cried out for the police to remove them.
They called for four and a half minutes of silence, symbolic of the four and a half hours that Michael Browns body was left to lay in a street... The crowd responded with profanities, likely including quite a few racial slurs.
Sanders was given a chance to stand with the protesters on stage. He refused, choosing to stand on the side, and later to leave all together.
He was given a chance to stand together with them - A example of the unity he loves to talk about. He refused to do so.
You bust into an event, storm the stage, and then get angry that the people there yell at you?
Of course Hillary is doing something different. It's called paying them off.
