DUmbasses tired of their hands being bit while feeding the herd.

[Carl]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027058915

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:29 AM

Shankapotomus (4,037 posts)

Tired of groups recklessly calling other liberals racist, misogynist, etc.

Last edited Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:24 AM - Edit history (1)
That's it. I'm done with this shit.

If you can't recognize that people are liberals for a reason and grant them the benefit of the doubt before you recklessly out them to the world as "racist" or "misogynist" based on the tiniest of information, like color and gender and the fact that maybe they declined your invitation to a party or sleepover.

Well, then **** you, then.

Some people have suffered too much personally on the way to and as liberals to now listen to your shit about how horrible humans they are just because they happen to be in your line of sight and don't look like you or disappointed you on a personal level that you've now decided is an indicator of their political stance on your obsessive pet cause - yourself and only people that look like you. Really. Try helping someone else besides yourself some time.

You're suffering matters. But nobody loves a whiner who thinks their cause trumps and has a monopoly over the suffering of everybody else.

Therefore, I am no longer supporting any liberal or liberal group that attacks other liberals as racist, misogynist or homophobic as if they were right wing extremists.

Unless they explicitly admit to it, it should be a given that a liberal is none of those.

To clarify, I still support NOW, I still love Rev. Al and support the GLBT alliance.

For the longest time I thought such accusations and treatment of other liberals made sense because, obviously, racism, misogyny and homophobia was bad. Duh.

But it's becoming more and more obvious that such accusations are being used against other liberals by the slower but more angry members of these groups more out of the psychological need for power and control over others than out of a real call for justice. But the game is becoming more and more obvious.

In other words, it's a power thing to them, not a justice thing, as can be often observed by their complete disregard for fairness and justice for others.

As such, I am withdrawing my support and defense of such liberals and liberals groups that attack other liberals with accusations of "tone deafness", "racism", "misogyny", "homophobia" or any other variant of bigotry typically seen among right wing extremists.

Also, I will make it my job to publicly expose and confront such power obsessed liberals on an individual level.

It's time we stop letting other reckless hateful and power obsessed liberals create the narrative for who we are politically and personally.

NOTE to Mods: This thread is not about this happening on DU, although it does. It is about it happening in the entire liberal community from the Bernie Sanders rallies, to The Daily Show backstage, to our families.

The irony meter could make a plane fly.

Response to Shankapotomus (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:33 AM

Star Member Tarheel_Dem (23,196 posts)
1. Doesn't seem as if they'll miss your "support". n/t

Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:38 AM

Shankapotomus (4,037 posts)
2. That's why I will also be

confronting them and exposing them every time I conclude they are motivated by power and control over others rather than justice.

Maybe start with the democrat party?

Response to Shankapotomus (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:49 AM

Star Member LuvNewcastle (8,035 posts)
4. White liberal guilt will only go so far.

Sooner or later, people get tired of being called ugly names. It's a hell of a strategy, anyway, to insult people in order to enlist them for your cause. That's why I think these people aren't leaders of BLM or anything else. If they were, they would be smarter about how they portray themselves and how they attempt to gain support

Uppity blacks don`t matter to the left.

Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:14 AM

Star Member BeyondGeography (25,821 posts)
6. BLM's co-founder set an unfortunate tone at Netroots Nation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128027165

Sanders and O'Malley were "not humble enough." What kind of message did that send, and why, in the aftermath, should we be surprised at the total lack of respect being shown to white liberals by certain BLM members? I wouldn't let leadership slide from the Seattle fiasco.

How dare they believe you cared and think they can actually have a voice.

Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:43 AM

Star Member LuvNewcastle (8,035 posts)
12. If they're leaders, that movement is doomed.

I'm sorry to say that, too, because something like BLM is going to have to come along to start a movement to bring change to our justice system. But these Bernie bashers aren't doing anything constructive to build what we need to get this system overhauled. I'm hoping that most BLM members find better leaders who will help us come together to do what is right for America.

I think the reason why we're seeing events unfold like this is because there seems to be a leadership vacuum in the black community these days. When I was growing up, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton were very visible leaders, but I can't think of anyone young today who has any real authority to lead. When there is a power vacuum, all sorts of people come along to try and fill that void, and at least some of them will be disreputable. No one should get too worked up over it; these things have a way of shaking out eventually.

You have spent 5 decades telling them they deserve free shit.
Now they want it.

Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:55 AM

Star Member LuvNewcastle (8,035 posts)
15. " Not humble enough" sounds a lot like

'too uppity,' doesn't it?

Like you mutts are saying.

Response to Shankapotomus (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:05 AM

HFRN (1,052 posts)
5. the name for 'recklessly calling other's names' is actually called 'McCarthyism'

and some will knee-jerk 'but that cant be true, he was talking about Communism'

I'm talking about tactic, not issue. And I suppose he only threw around one label 'communist' as opposed to multiple names "racist", "misogynist", "homophobe" etc. But those names are really just synonyms for 'bigot'. And synonyms for 'bigot' sometimes get thrown around on this site as recklessly as Senator Joe McCarthy threw around 'Communist'.

There is one difference though, back in the 50's people only put up with this tactic for so long, before asking 'at long last senator, have you no decency?', and he was done.

Perhaps in the early 1950s, people were actually more progressive in some ways?

Start irony propeller number 2

Response to HFRN (Reply #5)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:37 AM

jberryhill (38,623 posts)
10. The tactical model is the Brownshirts


As will be made apparent in the replies to this post, you are correct that some people cannot separate an ideology of a group from the tactics used by that group.

The Brownshirts demonstrated that a numerically small group can amplify its power by disrupting the events of their opponents.

They were effective.

Uppity blacks = Nazies.
Got it!

Response to Shankapotomus (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 08:35 AM

HFRN (1,052 posts)
9. whenever anyone thinks 'I have a license to act like a jerk'

'because my issue is important, and I have the judgement to know when to use it and when not to', they inevitably get fatigued, careless and numb to the tactic - or worse, get addicted to the control it gives them over others

Talking about the democrat party like that is a no no.

Response to HFRN (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:18 AM

7962 (5,225 posts)
20. "addicted to the control". There you have it. "I want my 15 minutes"

The Kardashianing of the country. More and more are willing to make complete and utter fools of themselves to get on TV. Hey lets interrupt this meeting! We'll get coverage that way!
Who cares if it hurts the cause, I got on TV

Get to the back of the damn bus!!!

Response to Shankapotomus (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:03 AM

Star Member Doctor_J (32,815 posts)
16. It's not reckless

It's cold and calculated. The party has adopted the far right's view of liberals. And I have decided, after 37 years of voting straight democratic, to be more selective.

 

Response to Shankapotomus (Original post)

Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:13 AM

Buzz Clik (32,594 posts)
18. So. The Sanders crowd gets a dose of their own medicine, and it makes them gag.

Boo hoo.

Grant money drying out buzzy?

The idiocy of these throwbacks is breathtaking.

[SVPete]

  What?! These fools didn't have the minimal foresight to realize that so demonizing those they hate would lead to the same execrations being turned inward in internecine strife?

Roll around with dogs and share their fleas, fools!

[Carl]

What?! These fools didn't have the minimal foresight to realize that so demonizing those they hate would lead to the same execrations being turned inward in internecine strife?

Roll around with dogs and share their fleas, fools!

Their lack of self reflection is astounding.

[SVPete]

Their lack of self reflection is astounding.

Though he was speaking to a more narrow context - economics - Thomas Sowell called it failure to think beyond Stage 1. In plainer terms, they're like a high school chess club player who makes a move thinking, "I'll do A, he'll do B, I'll do C, he'll do D, I'll do E, he'll do F ...," only to find the opponent did N instead of B or D.

A current example that would be amusing, but for the businesses being destroyed and lives being disrupted, is cities that have mandated artificially high minimum wages. Except for some employees asking for reduced hours so as to keep receiving government bennies, conservatives predicted, in some detail what would happen - businesses closing, mechanizing, reducing shift staffing, and reducing overall number of employees. These have all happened, and Libs' & Progs' reaction has been initial denial, and then expressions of rage as denial became untenable. Libs & Progs seem to have thought business owners got their profits out of their anal orifices or to have thought business owners would stand still and let themselves be screwed. Not thinking beyond Stage 1, the wage increase.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Their lack of self reflection is astounding.

The reason they demonize everyone else is because they have canonized themselves.

Everyone else is a demon by simple virtue that they are not Proglodytes and to Proglodytes all Proglodytes are saints.

But conflict is inevitable, in all social structures.

Conservative society endures because we assume we are all fallible and as such we endeavor to create a system where one party cannot control the others. Thus when we have disputes we don't feel threatened because the party we disagree with has no control over us.

But control is central to Proglodytes. They demonize and canonize in order to justify assuming control. But when there is disagreement they absolutely feel threatened because the other party has control. Everything is an existential threat to them and it is actualized by a paradigm that treats all enemies as demons.

The internal inconsistencies of Proglodytism were fated to become manifest as soon as they gained control. Obama did that in 2009 with a dem congress and senate (and limp-dick GOP leadership in 2012 and on) and here we are.

We will win because we design for winning on our own terms. They cannot win because they cannot maintain that which allows them any gains.

[Carl]

 

The reason they demonize everyone else is because they have canonized themselves.

Everyone else is a demon by simple virtue that they are not Proglodytes and to Proglodytes all Proglodytes are saints.

But conflict is inevitable, in all social structures.

Conservative society endures because we assume we are all fallible and as such we endeavor to create a system where one party cannot control the others. Thus when we have disputes we don't feel threatened because the party we disagree with has no control over us.

But control is central to Proglodytes. They demonize and canonize in order to justify assuming control. But when there is disagreement they absolutely feel threatened because the other party has control. Everything is an existential threat to them and it is actualized by a paradigm that treats all enemies as demons.

The internal inconsistencies of Proglodytism were fated to become manifest as soon as they gained control. Obama did that in 2009 with a dem congress and senate (and limp-dick GOP leadership in 2012 and on) and here we are.

We will win because we design for winning on our own terms. They cannot win because they cannot maintain that which allows them any gains.

[obumazombie]

It's the difference between zero sum gain thinking, and the blessings of bounty thinking.

[franksolich]

Buzz Clik (32,594 posts)   Sun Aug 9, 2015, 09:13 AM

18. So. The Sanders crowd gets a dose of their own medicine, and it makes them gag.

Boo hoo.

This isn't going to make me popular here, but you go, Buzzy.  Right on.

For me, the most offensive and troubling thing about the Bernie primitives is their intolerance, their narrow-mindedness, their lust to be totalitarian.

I wish they'd all die, but the best one can hope for is that Skins ultimately comes to his senses and bans them.  There's several other Democrat candidates who deserve to be heard, who deserve some attention, but the Bernie primitives are shutting them out.

[delilahmused]

This isn't going to make me popular here, but you go, Buzzy.  Right on.

For me, the most offensive and troubling thing about the Bernie primitives is their intolerance, their narrow-mindedness, their lust to be totalitarian.

I wish they'd all die, but the best one can hope for is that Skins ultimately comes to his senses and bans them.  There's several other Democrat candidates who deserve to be heard, who deserve some attention, but the Bernie primitives are shutting them out.

Maybe they can form an alliance with the rabid Trump supporters.

cindie

[franksolich]

Maybe they can form an alliance with the rabid Trump supporters.

Now, Skins is no dummy; there's got to be a reason he's allowing the Bernie primitives to dominate his real-estate, despite that his own heart's somewhere else.  Normally, the practice would be to simply ban such rectal apertures, but he's letting them thrive and prosper.

I'm guessing it's a way for the Hillaryites, once she gets the nomination, to identify who was "with them" and who was "against them" during the early stages, and to reward or punish each one appropriately.

It's a pretty good guess Skippy lost his chance at a more-lucrative government job, when he came out for the grouchy flatulent old fart.  Skippy blew it; once Messalina Agrippina's the inevitable Democrat nominee, he'll be lucky to get the time of the day from the official Democrats, much less a better governmental sinecure than he already has.

[thundley4]

Not relevant , but for some reason I've always seen Shankapotomus as Skankapotamus.   

[Big Dog]

Not relevant , but for some reason I've always seen Shankapotomus as Skankapotamus.   

Speaking of Skankapotamus, The Tucson Tart has been keeping a low profile lately.