Why Muslims hate the West.

[dutch508]

trof (46,261 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027049854

Why Many Muslims Hate the West. (You probably won't read this post.)


https://consortiumnews.com/2015/08/05/why-many-muslims-hate-the-west/

You won't read it, I know.
 
It's very long and a bit scholarly.
It starts at the dawn of what we call civilization and explains why and how humans began to gather together in groups.

And why we started to not get along.
I found it fascinating.

You want a quote?

OK.

"The issue of terrorist attacks on America has been so politically sensitive that most commentators have simply wrapped themselves in the flag and closed their eyes and ears. Yet, even in fairy tales, ostriches were never saved by burying their heads in the sand. It is not a good defensive posture and it wouldn’t be wise for real-life Americans to behave like make-believe ostriches.

If we want to be safe rather than sorry in the dangerous world we now inhabit, we need to be clear-headed, logical and informed. Those characteristics do not arise from anger or impulsiveness. They can arise only from sober assessment of causes and intelligent evaluation of possible actions. Achieving these qualities has become ever more necessary because we face an uncertain and increasingly complex future."

'Clear-headed, logical and informed.'
Well, good luck to the U.S. populace on that.
 

But if you'd like to read a very good take on why we are where we are with terrorism now, this is your guy.

If we had an anchor gif, I'd put it here.
This will sink like an anvil.
Peace.

this should be good.

after several replies of Oh, that's great. I haven't read it yet but I will, there is this:

CTyankee (45,359 posts)
7. I know and I get all of this, but my question has to be "What about women?"

Do we bow to a different treatment of women than we hold dear to our values or do we compromise in the interest of state security?

I don't know why this hasn't been raised by now in this thread...

uh...

CTyankee (45,359 posts)
12. If we don't understand this in terms of the treatment of women in that society what is the point? Isn't it incomplete? Why isn't that included?

are you talking about how islam treats women?

trof (46,261 posts)
17. Women as subseviant in most religions/cultures?

I think he makes the larger point in including pretty much all of what we call humanity, regardless of gender.

I think his point, if he makes one in the larger scheme (and I think he does), is that our biases transcend gender.

Sure, that's part of the sub-culture.
But I think his main thrust is all encompassing.
Humanity.

No?

 

denbot (4,573 posts)
10. Interesting article.

Polk takes a long view on western interference with Muslim states, and our continued suppression of states that defy our interests

MisterP (17,418 posts)
14. this may be oversimplistic, totally recent, and ignores Israel, but we're now using dictators to attack the group that spun off of the group we supported against one of those dictators that we used to like and another group we formed in reaction to another group we formed that used to fight us, and which hooked up with the generals of the dictator we used to like but then fought and another group we used to support against another dictator that we supported against that group, which even Israel likes now; this group partly grew out of another group we supported against another regime by means of another regime and we directly funded one leader and told to get more radical

 

DhhD (3,084 posts)
22. The Dangerous World That We Now Inhabit: Brought to us by the Bush Family Evil Empire of
preparing for war, promoting war, and living for war. Surely America will not support another Nazi warmongering Evil Empire, Powers That Be, and those of the MIC

BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!! BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!! BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!!

seveneyes (4,320 posts)
23. As if a 1500 year old war against those not of the "correct" religion has **** all to do with the US

**** the fairy tales and those who use force to cram it down the eyes of others.

**** them all.

 

hifiguy (25,002 posts)
25. Clear headed and logical is always the best approach to take.

But religulous fundamentalism of ANY kind is completely immune to both clear-headedness and logic.

Trying to reason with true believers of ANY stripe is like trying to pound a strand of cooked spaghetti into a block of metallized hydrogen. Ain't happenin' McGee.

Greed and idiot religulous superstition (of ALL kinds) are literally killing the only planet we have.

Too bad, we coulda been a pretty good species. Plato, Socrates, Aeschylus and Sophocles, Imhotep and Hippocrates, Confucius, the Buddha; Bach, Mozart and Beethoven; Michelangelo, daVinci and Rembrandt; Gandhi, King and Mandela; Newton, Einstein, Bohr and Hawking.

But they weren't enough, not by a long shot.

of course when the DUmpmonkies talk religion they really mean Christians.

TygrBright (13,955 posts)
30. One comment illuminates the major flaw in this essay:

Although I think it's well-written and very worth reading, I think this sums up why it's not really very helpful:

What’s missing, both from the initial essay and from the discussion thus far, is the hidden factor of history: Patriarchy. All of the “great monotheistic” (personally, I prefer “Abrahamic,” as I think the monotheism is disputed among the parties themselves,) religions are intensely patriarchal.

All of the cultures, states, and nations that have grown from these religious roots are also intensely patriarchal. Imperialism is patriarchy manifest. Without the subjugation of fully half of the human species to the control of the other half, these religions lose control of their populations and respond with brutal fundamentalist movements and ideologies.

It is no accident that all of the Abrahamic religions’ fundamentalist sects are predicated on the dehumanization and vicious exploitation of women as domestic chattel.

Ignoring the rise of feminism and the drive for human rights and civil rights for women makes this analysis very two dimensional at best, and militates toward a highly flawed understanding of both problem and solution.


diffidently,
Bright

Arugula Latte (47,933 posts)
36. Yes. The Big Three monotheisms were made up chiefly to control women.

As a woman, I make no apologies for despising those idiotic, nonsensical, misogynistic religions which are all based on primitive mythology with no basis in reality. They have done untold harm throughout human history, and continue to do so.

Edited to say: Note I said I hate the religions, the belief systems. I don't hate all Christians, all Jews, and all Muslims.

 

Herman4747 (116 posts)
35. The God of Muhammad's Imagination, Allah, told them:

"Disbelievers are the Worst of Creatures" (Quran 98:6). This wicked god intends to torture disbelievers forever by burning them (Quran 4:56). So the hatred is not surprising.

[Big Dog]

Here's the truth, lurking DUmmies. Can you handle it?

Why Many Muslims Hate the West.

They hate us for our yoga pants.

[obumazombie]

What happens when your mind is centered on Bacchus, and you commit a Freudian slip ?
Well, you conflate Caligula with religion, and you get...

hifiguy (25,002 posts)
25. Clear headed and logical is always the best approach to take.

But religulous fundamentalism of ANY kind is completely immune to both clear-headedness and logic.

Trying to reason with true believers of ANY stripe is like trying to pound a strand of cooked spaghetti into a block of metallized hydrogen. Ain't happenin' McGee.

Greed and idiot religulous superstition (of ALL kinds) are literally killing the only planet we have.

Too bad, we coulda been a pretty good species. Plato, Socrates, Aeschylus and Sophocles, Imhotep and Hippocrates, Confucius, the Buddha; Bach, Mozart and Beethoven; Michelangelo, daVinci and Rembrandt; Gandhi, King and Mandela; Newton, Einstein, Bohr and Hawking.

But they weren't enough, not by a long shot.

Even if it was a brilliant insight and was intentional, which it wasn't...it almost fully explains the slant of the lib mind.

[SVPete]

What happens when your mind is centered on Bacchus, and you commit a Freudian slip ?
Well, you conflate Caligula with religion, and you get...

Even if it was a brilliant insight and was intentional, which it wasn't...it almost fully explains the slant of the lib mind.

It's actually an allusion to some Christian-hating atheist's crockumentary. Bill Maher, perhaps?

Muslims hate us for being prosperous and for not being Muslim: envy; a seeming contradiction of Islam being the key to success.

[Mr Mannn]

Muslims are the last barbarians on earth. They hate us because they hate everyone. Hate defines the muslim savage.


Think of a muslim as a piece of sh!it. They both stink.
They stank before Bush was president...can't blame him.
They stank before and after Obama's apology tour.
They continue to stink after Obama's Iran deal.
They stink all the way back though history...its just a part of being a muslim. muslims have always been savage barbarians and they always will.

There you have it. No great secret. No need to read a pointless essay.

[JohnnyReb]

DUmmie wyman says.....
Arugula Latte (47,933 posts)
36. Yes. The Big Three monotheisms were made up chiefly to control women.

As a woman, I make no apologies for despising those idiotic, nonsensical, misogynistic religions which are all based on primitive mythology with no basis in reality. They have done untold harm throughout human history, and continue to do so.

Then she says, "Now, drive me to dinner, a movie and then to a juke joint for drinks & dancing. It's a man's place to do this for his woman."

[Carl]

DUmmie wyman says.....
Arugula Latte (47,933 posts)
36. Yes. The Big Three monotheisms were made up chiefly to control women.

As a woman, I make no apologies for despising those idiotic, nonsensical, misogynistic religions which are all based on primitive mythology with no basis in reality. They have done untold harm throughout human history, and continue to do so.

Then she says, "Now, drive me to dinner, a movie and then to a juke joint for drinks & dancing. It's a man's place to do this for his woman."

It is amazing how quickly feminism can disappear the moment the dinner check arrives. 

[67 Rover]

It is amazing how quickly feminism can disappear the moment the dinner check arrives. 

 

[I_B_Perky]

Here's the truth, lurking DUmmies. Can you handle it?


They hate us for our yoga pants.

Now that is some very nice.... yoga pants.