Forgotten Massacre of Indonesian Communists

[Ptarmigan]

This is from 2012. Primitives are still whining about dead Indonesian commies. I say good riddance to them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10242276

Starry Messenger (26,682 posts)

Forgotten Massacre of Indonesian Communists
http://www.humaniteinenglish.com/spip.php?article2118



In Djakarta in late July, a national human rights commission presented a report describing the bloody anti-communist repression of 1965 as “crimes against humanity.”

For the first time in Indonesia, a step has been taken toward official recognition of the anti-communist massacres of 1965-1966, which cost the lives of a million men and women – and probably even more – who were members of, or real or supposed sympathizers with, the Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI). In late July a national human rights commission presented a report mentioning, with regard to this somber sequence of historical events, “flagrant violations of human rights” and “crimes against humanity.” The document goes back in detail over these mass crimes, which were supervised by General Suharto’s “command for the restoration of security and order,” before exhuming other aspects of the repression: enslavement, forced disappearances, deportations to concentration camps, torture, rape, and forced prostitution.

The PKI, which before its execution was a leading political force on the Indonesian archipelago, had 3.5 million members and 15 million sympathizers. Allied with the nationalist Sukarno, the communists became the target of unheard-of violence when in September 1965 generals said to be close to the PKI were accused of having fomented an attempted putsch. Suharto, backed by the United States, then led the bloody repression, mobilizing the religious right and reactionary forces. In 1966, Suharto deposed Sukarno, putting a permanent end to the original political experience initiated by that figure of the non-aligned movement and Third World-ism. The country then plunged into a long night until the dictator’s fall, when the people chased him from power in 1998. He then lived undisturbed until 2008 without having answered for his crimes.

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limpyhobbler (8,244 posts)
2. Wow I never heard about that before.

Also looked at the wikipedia entry for another perspective.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_killings_of_1965%E2%80%931966

Pretty gruesome stuff.

David__77 (15,707 posts)
3. The Western media (USA in particular) cheered these mass killings.

Unfortunately, progressive politics have not recovered since the eradication of the PKI, which was actually spearheaded by Islamist gangs. And to this day, the US is supporting anti-leftist Islamists, today most notably in Syria.

Proof? Anti-Leftist Islamists? Islamists are leftists. I thought you guys like Islamists. No?

covenant (9 posts)
7. revolutionary situation

 
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The Indonesian massacre is one of the reasons why the Communist Party of the Philippines-New People's Army cannot declare it a revolutionary situation. Millions would be uprooted from their homes, tortured and shot just like what Pinochet and Suharto did. Terrible modern-day fascists.

Odin2005 (49,979 posts)
5. Atrocities are OK when Capitalists do it.

Whenever some RW idiot brings up the atrocities of Stalin and Mao I respond with all the atrocities done in the name of Capitalist Liberal Democracy, and all of a sudden they are denying they were atrocities.

Stalin and Mao killed way more than all anti-Communist actions in history. Anti-Communist actions always brought peace, stability, and prosperity.

[GOBUCKS]

limpyhobbler (8,244 posts)
2. Wow I never heard about that before.

Amazing how stupid these people are.

Killing a half mill Indonesian commies is one of the few good things muzzies have ever done.

[98ZJUSMC]

David__77 (15,707 posts)
3. The Western media (USA in particular) cheered these mass killings.

They stopped too soon, asswipe.   

Unfortunately, progressive politics have not recovered since the eradication of the PKI, which was actually spearheaded by Islamist gangs.

Oh, pleeeeeze..................   

Odin2005 (49,979 posts)
5. Atrocities are OK when Capitalists do it.

You seem to like your muzzies doing it.  Now, tell me about:

Mao Tse Yung
Stalin
Lenin
Guevara and Castro
Pol Pot
Planned Parenthood
Ortega
Mugabe
Amin


Wha....?  Too many? 

Go phuck yourself, you half-witted, barely functional mattress stain.   

Whenever some RW idiot brings up the atrocities of Stalin and Mao I respond with all the atrocities done in the name of Capitalist Liberal Democracy, No you don't.  You can't even name them. and all of a sudden they are denying they were atrocities.

By all means, cumstain, name them.

[Ptarmigan]

They stopped too soon, asswipe.   

Oh, pleeeeeze..................   

You seem to like your muzzies doing it.  Now, tell me about:

Mao Tse Yung
Stalin
Lenin
Guevara and Castro
Pol Pot
Planned Parenthood
Ortega
Mugabe
Amin


Wha....?  Too many? 

Go phuck yourself, you half-witted, barely functional mattress stain.   


By all means, cumstain, name them.

Leftists are stupid. No reasonings with those freaks of nature. 

[98ZJUSMC]

Leftists are stupid.

I can find no reason to fault that statement.

No reasonings with those freaks of nature. 

I'll reason with them.....


....but that's just me.   

I so hate these parasitic insects.....

[SVPete]

1965-1966? Fifty years ago? I wasn't even 12, and BHO was maybe in Kindergarten. How is this relevant to anything current, other than Indonesia not having become another Communist Hell-Hole?

Was it an atrocity? Yes. Would those Communists done as bad or worse had they come to power? As just about every Communist-run country has shown, yes, and probably much worse.

Sometimes real life is evil vs. evil, not good guys vs. bad guys.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Just two things to note here:

1.  More dead Communists is generally a good thing, and

2.  Notice that even some of the DUmmtards know the perps were MUSLIMS.

[thundley4]

2.  Notice that even some of the DUmmtards know the perps were MUSLIMS.

So, what does that tell us?  DUmmies place a higher value on communists than on Muslims.

[BlueStateSaint]

So, what does that tell us?  DUmmies place a higher value on communists than on Muslims.

Which one would kill them first?

[JohnnyReb]

They missed one Muslim communist....he's in the white house now.

[GOBUCKS]

A conflict between muzzies and communists is similar to a conflict between Shiites and Sunnis.

A civilized nation should support whichever side is losing.

As soon as they get the upper hand, support should switch to the other side.

This process should be repeated until there are no survivors on either side.

[Fourwinds]

Leftists are stupid. No reasonings with those freaks of nature. 

I don't think they are all that stupid to be honest. Which is what makes them so dangerous. I just think they're flat out evil.

[BlueStateSaint]

I don't think they are all that stupid to be honest. Which is what makes them so dangerous. I just think they're flat out evil.

 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

This should not be forgotten.

It should be celebrated annually.

[obumazombie]

A conflict between muzzies and communists is similar to a conflict between Shiites and Sunnis.

A civilized nation should support whichever side is losing.

As soon as they get the upper hand, support should switch to the other side.

This process should be repeated until there are no survivors on either side.

I like where you're going with that.

[Ptarmigan]

I don't think they are all that stupid to be honest. Which is what makes them so dangerous. I just think they're flat out evil.

Their beliefs are stupid and irrational. They are dangerous and scary.

[Ptarmigan]

This is 1998.

Double standards in coverage of Suharto and Pol Pot
http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/good-and-bad-genocide/

Coverage of the fall of Suharto reveals with startling clarity the ideological biases and propaganda role of the mainstream media. Suharto was a ruthless dictator, a grand larcenist and a mass killer with as many victims as Cambodia’s Pol Pot. But he served U.S. economic and geopolitical interests, was helped into power by Washington, and his dictatorial rule was warmly supported for 32 years by the U.S. economic and political establishment. The U.S. was still training the most repressive elements of Indonesia’s security forces as Suharto’s rule was collapsing in 1998, and the Clinton administration had established especially close relations with the dictator (“our kind of guy,” according to a senior administration official quoted in the New York Times, 10/31/95).

Suharto’s overthrow of the Sukarno government in 1965-66 turned Indonesia from Cold War “neutralism” to fervent anti-Communism, and wiped out the Indonesian Communist Party–exterminating a sizable part of its mass base in the process, in widespread massacres that claimed at least 500,000 and perhaps more than a million victims. The U.S. establishment’s enthusiasm for the coup-cum-mass murder was ecstatic (see Chomsky and Herman, Washington Connection and Third World Fascism); “almost everyone is pleased by the changes being wrought,” New York Times columnist C.L. Sulzberger commented (4/8/66).

Suharto quickly transformed Indonesia into an “investors’ paradise,” only slightly qualified by the steep bribery charge for entry. Investors flocked in to exploit the timber, mineral and oil resources, as well as the cheap, repressed labor, often in joint ventures with Suharto family members and cronies. Investor enthusiasm for this favorable climate of investment was expressed in political support and even in public advertisements; e.g., the full page ad in the New York Times (9/24/92) by Chevron and Texaco entitled “Indonesia: A Model for Economic Development.”

Pol Pot had good intentions like any dirty commie. He ended up killing a third of his own people.

Suharto made Indonesia an Asian Tiger.

[SVPete]

Pol Pot had good intentions like any dirty commie. He ended up killing a third of his own people.

Lenin governed for "the good of the people". Stalin governed for "the good of the people". Hitler governed for "the good of the people". Mao governed for "the good of the people". Mengistu & Crew governed for "the good of the people". Kim II governed for "the good of the people". Kim III governs for "the good of the people".

And each slaughtered and starved their people by the millions.

Like I said above, this isn't a Cops & Robbers, Good Guys vs. Bad Guys world. Sometimes it's Evil Guys vs. EVIL Guys. Based on the histories of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, the Indonesian Communists, had they gained control, would have been the EVIL Guys.

[BlueStateSaint]

Lenin governed for "the good of the people". Stalin governed for "the good of the people". Hitler governed for "the good of the people". Mao governed for "the good of the people". Mengistu & Crew governed for "the good of the people". Kim II governed for "the good of the people". Kim III governs for "the good of the people".

And each slaughtered and starved their people by the millions.

Like I said above, this isn't a Cops & Robbers, Good Guys vs. Bad Guys world. Sometimes it's Evil Guys vs. EVIL Guys. Based on the histories of Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao, the Indonesian Communists, had they gained control, would have been the EVIL Guys.

Don't the Democratics say the same thing?