Station nixes 'Savage Nation' Over autism comments!

[jtyangel]

Here you go guys. My boy...the one question he does answer he has been trained to answer for his own protection if he gets lost. Echolalic--important word "echo"...you'll see it in this video what it is.  This is my boy

btw, guest password is autism1

http://www.dropshots.com/angelinrepose#date/2008-07-22/11:10:22

[Toastedturningtidelegs]

jty can you explain some of the terminology? I'm really interested in learning more. I really think my cousin is undiagnosed. He's an adult and there is a long, long sad story there. Anyway, I read as much as I can when I can.

What's "echolalic" speech? Do you recommend any sites that can cut through the vast amount of info and give a general overview?

Not jty but here is a link that explains echolalia..
http://groups.msn.com/TheAutismHomePage/echolaliafacts.msnw

I remember when my son was 3 the little speech that he had was frequently echolalic.  I would say something to him "we will have pie after dinner".   He went around for the next 1/2 hour or so saying "we will have pie after dinner" to everyone he saw.

Some times the kids will use snippets of movie or TV dialogs or lines from commercials.  Some one on another board told a cute story about her son picking up a movie line.  Her son loved to watch Veggie tales.  There was a veggie tales story that discussed the Egyptians mistreating the Hebrews.   In the story the Hebrews were not allowed to swim in the same swimming pool.  There was a line in the story "All Hebrews out of the pool".   Well she was at a public pool with her son.    A storm came up and the life guards were asking everyone to get out of the pool.   Much to her embarrassment the little boy just started yelling "ALL HEBREWS OUT OF THE POOL".   

A cruder term for it would be called parroting! My 15 year old who has tourettes does this to a degree,but his doctor told us this is also a verbal tic!

[asdf2231]

He's a doll jty!

[jtyangel]

He's a doll jty!

Thx, I think so too. He does the best he can with what he's one of the two most handsome boys in the world(I have another boy), but I'm biased

[terry]

Here you go guys. My boy...the one question he does answer he has been trained to answer for his own protection if he gets lost. Echolalic--important word "echo"...you'll see it in this video what it is.  This is my boy

btw, guest password is autism1

http://www.dropshots.com/angelinrepose#date/2008-07-22/11:10:22

what a cutie!

[Schadenfreude]

Here you go guys. My boy...the one question he does answer he has been trained to answer for his own protection if he gets lost. Echolalic--important word "echo"...you'll see it in this video what it is.  This is my boy

btw, guest password is autism1

http://www.dropshots.com/angelinrepose#date/2008-07-22/11:10:22

You know... at this point, it is less important that he produces original speech and more important that he is processing speech. I saw him processing speech, ie smiling and showing his teeth when asked. WTG Ryan!

[Schadenfreude]

jty can you explain some of the terminology? I'm really interested in learning more. I really think my cousin is undiagnosed. He's an adult and there is a long, long sad story there. Anyway, I read as much as I can when I can.

What's "echolalic" speech? Do you recommend any sites that can cut through the vast amount of info and give a general overview?

Not jty but here is a link that explains echolalia..
http://groups.msn.com/TheAutismHomePage/echolaliafacts.msnw

I remember when my son was 3 the little speech that he had was frequently echolalic.  I would say something to him "we will have pie after dinner".   He went around for the next 1/2 hour or so saying "we will have pie after dinner" to everyone he saw.

Some times the kids will use snippets of movie or TV dialogs or lines from commercials.  Some one on another board told a cute story about her son picking up a movie line.  Her son loved to watch Veggie tales.  There was a veggie tales story that discussed the Egyptians mistreating the Hebrews.   In the story the Hebrews were not allowed to swim in the same swimming pool.  There was a line in the story "All Hebrews out of the pool".   Well she was at a public pool with her son.    A storm came up and the life guards were asking everyone to get out of the pool.   Much to her embarrassment the little boy just started yelling "ALL HEBREWS OUT OF THE POOL".   

 

[Schadenfreude]

Savage shot himself in the foot with those broad brushstrokes! Any validity to his argument was completely lost. I don't blame people for being upset!

I think some kids have been overdiagnosed or misdiagnosed. It's a common pitfall whenever the medical community can finally put a name to something. And it's exacerbated by the fact that Autism has a spectrum. Kids can present in so many ways. There is no one-size-fits-all pattern even though there are certain hallmarks of the illness.

My heart goes out to anyone dealing with autism. I've seen close friends struggle with it. Proper care can only happen when they get the right diagnosis, treatment and support. When that involves not only doctors and parents but the community and school systems, it's easy to see how heartbreaking and frustrating it is. Comments like Savage's are counter-productive to say the least.

I honestly think somehow Savage confused Autism -- a very specific and verifiable medical diagnosis -- with ADD/ADHD -- a vague psychological label for any behavior (especially male) that exceeds Feminist boundaries.

But that doesn't get him off the hook -- Rush has a team of fact checkers, Savage should have the same.

I was a little bit tweaked this morning. 

I think Savage should stick to demonizing the middle east fanatics, hollyweird and the mainstream media and lay off the parents of children with real disabilities.

Im going to 'kick his ask'.

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[jtyangel]

Here you go guys. My boy...the one question he does answer he has been trained to answer for his own protection if he gets lost. Echolalic--important word "echo"...you'll see it in this video what it is.  This is my boy

btw, guest password is autism1

http://www.dropshots.com/angelinrepose#date/2008-07-22/11:10:22

You know... at this point, it is less important that he produces original speech and more important that he is processing speech. I saw him processing speech, ie smiling and showing his teeth when asked. WTG Ryan!

What amazes me is you can see the inconsistent processes though too. He sees me with the camera phone and says 'smile', clearly making the connection that a camera means smile--he knows the routine, he's learned it, but when I ask him to smile, he doesn't do it, but repeats it. He responds to 'show me your teeth'. LOL He also waved his hand if anyone could catch it when I said "Hi". He does subtle things like that that most peeps don't catch because they don't look for them when they first get to know him. I usually see that little flutter of a wave in the hand when he is greeted by someone.

I'm not disappointed at all in where he is. He's made good strides this year and he was blessed to work with the same speech therapist he has during the school year, all summer long and Chelsea does a really good job with him and he has the consistency of someone he trusts so time isn't wasted getting to know someone new.

BTW, as a chuckle, one day he got so mad and frustrated and he wanted to say something the only thing that burst angrily from his mouth was 'Squidward'. My mother and I looked at each other and said, did he say what I thought he said. LOL. I'm trying to think of the connection that was there to draw that one. We were in the car on the way home from Florida at the time and he'd just been told to knock off something he was doing-probably a more destructive repetative behavior.

[jtyangel]

Savage shot himself in the foot with those broad brushstrokes! Any validity to his argument was completely lost. I don't blame people for being upset!

I think some kids have been overdiagnosed or misdiagnosed. It's a common pitfall whenever the medical community can finally put a name to something. And it's exacerbated by the fact that Autism has a spectrum. Kids can present in so many ways. There is no one-size-fits-all pattern even though there are certain hallmarks of the illness.

My heart goes out to anyone dealing with autism. I've seen close friends struggle with it. Proper care can only happen when they get the right diagnosis, treatment and support. When that involves not only doctors and parents but the community and school systems, it's easy to see how heartbreaking and frustrating it is. Comments like Savage's are counter-productive to say the least.

I honestly think somehow Savage confused Autism -- a very specific and verifiable medical diagnosis -- with ADD/ADHD -- a vague psychological label for any behavior (especially male) that exceeds Feminist boundaries.

But that doesn't get him off the hook -- Rush has a team of fact checkers, Savage should have the same.

I was a little bit tweaked this morning. 

I think Savage should stick to demonizing the middle east fanatics, hollyweird and the mainstream media and lay off the parents of children with real disabilities.

Im going to 'kick his ask'.

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bahahaha..she is just so pleased with herself. That is so cute!! LOL

[Schadenfreude]

Savage is a ****twit.


To say that 99% of the people with autism are pulling a fraud is absurd to say the least.

I agree with Schade.


But I am torn about this issue and the explosion of diagnoses.

I thought Sowell had a very interesting take on it..
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/07/16/autism_cures

I know that part of what Sowell says is true.   My son was diagnosed with autism in 2005.   Those doing the evaluation said that my son met the criteria absolutely and  encouraged us to accept services.   We did.   He was re-evaluated in 2006.  That time they said he was borderline but that we should keep the more severe diagnosis, to make sure he could access services if he needed them.

He may fit what Sowell is calling the "Einstein Syndrome".   He's bright and he certainly has a ton of geeks in his family tree.  But he also has some social issues, sound sensitivities, anxieties and problems with flexible thinking.  So his issues aren't just about talking late.

Right now none of it effects his daily life.   He goes to a typical school, has friends and all in all is a happy kid.

Does he have autism?   After 3 years I still don't know.   He was diagnosed at the age of three, just six months after the death of his seven year old brother, one his most favorite people in the world.   I'm sure the impact of that on our family made his symptoms appear more severe, but he does have symptoms and did have issues before his brother's death.     I am pretty sure though that 10 maybe even just 5 years earlier, he would not have received a diagnosis.

I believe that all very young children really want to please the adults in their life and really want to behave.   I don't know if it is necessarily a bad thing to be looking for reasons for misbehavior and taking different approaches with different children.   I'm not longing for the good ole days when there were just 'bad' kids in the class and the solution was to keep punishing them over and over the same way without any success.

I am familiar with Sowell's early thinker / late talker theory and I find it really fascinating. Genius as well as autism is an abnormality. I guess it depends on how much autism affects their daily functioning. My son can remember every Christmas and Christmas present as well as what people were wearing.

He freaked me out a couple years ago when he asked who the man with glasses was ... you know the first guy he saw as he was exiting the womb... my OB! 

I am glad to hear your boy is doing well. I know you have worked hard with him and your efforts are paying off.

[terry]

He freaked me out a couple years ago when he asked who the man with glasses was ... you know the first guy he saw as he was exiting the womb... my OB! 

That's a little scary   

I was working with Tim on the flexible thinking issue, a year or so ago.  He was 4.   We were talking about his name.   I said,  "we can call you Tim or we can call you Timmy or we can call you Timothy.."   He got a little twinkle in his eye and said " or you can call me Johnson".

I guess it was coincidental but I about fell on the floor.  I can not for the life of me figure out where he may have picked up that little comedy bit.  Maybe he just has an old soul. 

[Schadenfreude]

He freaked me out a couple years ago when he asked who the man with glasses was ... you know the first guy he saw as he was exiting the womb... my OB! 

That's a little scary   

I was working with Tim on the flexible thinking issue, a year or so ago.  He was 4.   We were talking about his name.   I said,  "we can call you Tim or we can call you Timmy or we can call you Timothy.."   He got a little twinkle in his eye and said " or you can call me Johnson".

I guess it was coincidental but I about fell on the floor.  I can not for the life of me figure out where he may have picked up that little comedy bit.  Maybe he just has an old soul. 

I thought maybe he was going to say "but don't call me late for dinner"  

[jinxmchue]

My son is autistic (high-functioning autism - you'd probably not notice it without knowing what to look for).  He was having serious problems before his diagnosis.  We didn't know what was wrong or what to do.  Once he got diagnosed, however, doors were flung wide open for him and us.  He got the help he needed and he's simply flourished ever since.  He still has some issues that have to be dealt with from time to time (like when we went to a Twins game recently and as we were waiting to go back to the hotel, he saw it was past 10 p.m. and it really upset him), but we know how to handle them.  Autism is not a fraud or a scam.  It's a very real, very serious affliction that is still very, very misunderstood and often unrecognized.

[jtyangel]

My son is autistic (high-functioning autism - you'd probably not notice it without knowing what to look for).  He was having serious problems before his diagnosis.  We didn't know what was wrong or what to do.  Once he got diagnosed, however, doors were flung wide open for him and us.  He got the help he needed and he's simply flourished ever since.  He still has some issues that have to be dealt with from time to time (like when we went to a Twins game recently and as we were waiting to go back to the hotel, he saw it was past 10 p.m. and it really upset him), but we know how to handle them.  Autism is not a fraud or a scam.  It's a very real, very serious affliction that is still very, very misunderstood and often unrecognized.

Hi5, Jinx. Amazing how you just learn to anticipate and deal with their individual eccentricities isn't it?

[rich_t]

I cant speak on the issue of Autism.

But I do believe that ADD and ADHD are drastically over diagnosed in kids, especially male kids these days.

[DixieBelle]

He's a doll jty!

Thx, I think so too. He does the best he can with what he's one of the two most handsome boys in the world(I have another boy), but I'm biased

I second that! A doll indeed! You're such a good mom. I can hear it in your voice.

[DixieBelle]

I just wanted to say thank you to all of you who have shared your stories and families with us. We don't know God's plan or why we're given the things we're given (or not) but to see the grace and dignity you all have displayed, it's awe-inspiring. My hat is off to all of you.

[Miss Mia]

I just wanted to say thank you to all of you who have shared your stories and families with us. We don't know God's plan or why we're given the things we're given (or not) but to see the grace and dignity you all have displayed, it's awe-inspiring. My hat is off to all of you.

Ditto Dixie.  I've never experienced autism first hand, though I've read a bit on it. 

Thanks to everyone for sharing and helping educated me. 

[Lauri]

Where was autism and all these alphabet excuses for bad behavior when I was a kid ?

Oh nevermind. Daddy would have still whipped my ass.

There is a grain of truth to what Savage said, but it is ADD/ADHD that is the racket.  Autism is a specific diagnosis and is an input processing problem.  The issue about autism is why it has grown tenfold in 30 years,

it is absolutely crazy how wide reaching ADD/ADHD has become. one of my elementary aged nephews teacher's told his parents he had ADD 

i find that reprehensible.