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[Mr Mannn]

A hint to any DU-lurker who has read this post this far: Mormons are not Fundamentalists, and never have been; neither have been or are the tiny Mormon offshoots in the US Southwest that do believe in and practice polygamy.

DUmmys have no clue to what a fundamentalist really is. Any Christian they disagree with is a dangerous fundy. The actions of any Christian nut group (no matter how small) will be painted on Christianity as a whole.

Primitives fear and loathe Christians and practicing Jews...with a big emphasis on the fear part. They are very close now to actual govt sponsored persecution of the church. This is and was always their goal.

[miskie]

DUmmys have no clue to what a fundamentalist really is. Any Christian they disagree with is a dangerous fundy. The actions of any Christian nut group (no matter how small) will be painted on Christianity as a whole.

absolutely correct. And many of them believe that a Christian male will take as many wives as he can afford so he can father hundreds of kids who will all work to increase the population, and squeeze the liberals out of any meaningful government representation.

This is why they want as many South Americans here as possible. They also tend to have many children, and they tend to vote for Democrats. -- To offset dem' honky fundies and their church babies. Whereas the current Democratic base are aborting themselves into extinction  - much to the joy of Margaret Sanger. Planned Parenthood is working exactly as planned.

[Big Dog]

DU-folk believe there are Fundamentalists who believe in polygamy? Seriously? I think one could talk to every member in literally every Fundamentalist church in the US without finding a single member who believes in polygamy. I suppose that means that DU-folks have no idea what Christian Fundamentalism is.

A hint to any DU-lurker who has read this post this far: Mormons are not Fundamentalists, and never have been; neither have been or are the tiny Mormon offshoots in the US Southwest that do believe in and practice polygamy.

So, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) are not fundamentalists?

[SVPete]

So, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) are not fundamentalists?

No. They have freedom of speech, so they can call themselves whatever they like: maybe Catholic Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints; maybe Orthodox LDS; maybe Presbyterian or Methodist or Baptist or Pentecostal LDS. But that would no more make the FLDS folks Catholic, Orthodox, etc., than Fundamentalists.

The "F" in FLDS is historically wrong. It's anachronistic, in the sense that Joseph Smith predated Fundamentalists - who coined the term - by half a century or more. Further, the Fundamentalist movement started among Presbyterians and Baptists, not the LDS Church or Reformed LDS church (followers of Joseph Smith's widow) or any LDS offshoot.

absolutely correct. And many of them believe that a Christian male will take as many wives as he can afford so he can father hundreds of kids who will all work to increase the population, and squeeze the liberals out of any meaningful government representation.

So DU folk don't know that one of the qualifications for being a Christian leader is that he is "Husband of one wife"? I know, I don't fake surprise all that well. Of course most DU-folk haven't read the New Testament!

[Big Dog]

No. They have freedom of speech, so they can call themselves whatever they like: maybe Catholic Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints; maybe Orthodox LDS; maybe Presbyterian or Methodist or Baptist or Pentecostal LDS. But that would no more make the FLDS folks Catholic, Orthodox, etc., than Fundamentalists.

The "F" in FLDS is historically wrong. It's anachronistic, in the sense that Joseph Smith predated Fundamentalists - who coined the term - by half a century or more. Further, the Fundamentalist movement started among Presbyterians and Baptists, not the LDS Church or Reformed LDS church (followers of Joseph Smith's widow) or any LDS offshoot.

So DU folk don't know that one of the qualifications for being a Christian leader is that he is "Husband of one wife"? I know, I don't fake surprise all that well. Of course most DU-folk haven't read the New Testament!

Yet, Christian Fundamentalism as a named movement came into existence within 20 years of Fundamentalist LDS, which by the same measure also makes it an anachronism- correct?

And as the FLDS practice "fundamental Mormonism" a la Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, they are equally valid in calling themselves "fundamentalists"; as are Baptists and other Christian fundamentalists who "do battle royal for the Fundamentals" (Curtis Lee Laws, 1920).

[ChuckJ]

It really doesn't matter what the real definition of "fundamentalist" happens to be. To DUmmies anyone who says "God" or "Jesus" without derision and/or does not view Jesus as a funky feel good hippie is a fundamentalist.

[Big Dog]

It really doesn't matter what the real definition of "fundamentalist" happens to be. To DUmmies anyone who says "God" or "Jesus" without derision and/or does not view Jesus as a funky feel good hippie is a fundamentalist.

Then I qualify as a "fundamentalist", too!

[miskie]

Then I qualify as a "fundamentalist", too!

Yup.

Pretty much everyone conservative does. I'm sure they have a way of squeezing even conservative atheists & agnostics under the header of "Fundy" as well. - Using the same twisted logic of theirs to declare Abraham Lincoln a Democrat.

[SVPete]

Yet, Christian Fundamentalism as a named movement came into existence within 20 years of Fundamentalist LDS, which by the same measure also makes it an anachronism- correct?

And as the FLDS practice "fundamental Mormonism" a la Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, they are equally valid in calling themselves "fundamentalists"; as are Baptists and other Christian fundamentalists who "do battle royal for the Fundamentals" (Curtis Lee Laws, 1920).

I think you may have missed a key phrase in this sentence in my post: " It's anachronistic, in the sense that Joseph Smith predated Fundamentalists - who coined the term - by half a century or more." IOW, Fundamentalist Christians - whose roots as a movement date to the 1880s or 1890s -  created the term (in the 190Xs or early 191Xs). OTOH, while the FLDS evidently has roots reaching into the 191Xs, they remained within the main church until excommunicated in the late 1920s or early 1930s. The FLDS did not begin to form - or take on the name - until the early 1930s or later. Where the main issues for the Fundamentalist Movement were certain key teachings of the Bible, the main issue for the FLDS people was polygamy.

IOW, as soon as anyone scratches the surface deeper than the usage of the word, "Fundamentalist" it becomes totally clear that the Fundamentalist Movement and the FLDS polygamy movement are completely unrelated. They're even unrelated geographically, the Fundamentalist Movement having its roots in the NE US and spreading nationwide and beyond, while the FLDS has SW US roots, and hasn't spread very much (a few colonies elsewhere in the western US and one one BC, Canada).

As I said above, the FLDS have free speech, and could call themselves what they like. But calling themselves Catholic LDS would not make them related to the Catholic Church. Calling themselves Lutheran LDS would not make them related to any of the Lutheran Churches in the US. And calling themselves Fundamentalist LDS would not make them related to Fundamentalist churches.

Assuming discussions of what Fundamentalists are and believe and practice are intended to have meaning. I know, I used the M-word ...