O'Barry's latest 3D Master Chess move!

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global1 (12,624 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026896128

Is It Wrong For Me To Believe That Obama Is Playing 3D Chess With This TPP?.....


I keep hoping that there is something in this trade agreement that Obama knows about that will make the Repugs regret that they joined forces with him to pass it.

Even to the point that Pelosi may have staged that rebellion a week or so ago - is she in on it? Was that a ploy on Obama and Pelosi's part to further lure the Repugs in voting for this agreement?

I still have to believe that Obama is sincere when he says why would he do something counter to what he's been doing for all his years in office. That he wouldn't support anything that would hurt the economy he worked so hard to bring back from the brink. That he wouldn't do anything to cause more unemployment - because he worked so hard to get the employment numbers where they are today.

Something is just not adding up to me. It seems an uncharacteristically 180 degree turn for Obama - and I just don't think he has it in him to be doing this just a a legacy thing.

Come on - his legacy will be he was the first black President of the U.S. That seems pretty good to me for a legacy given the odds that were against him. And all through his administration he's done more good for this country than not. Why would he want to hurt his image. For some reason I don't see him as a money grubbing ex-pol that will be out to just make a speech and collect a fee when he leaves office. Seems to me that the more he gets the people of this country to like him - the more successful he will be as he retires from his Presidency and begins to do good for the world - which I feel he will do.

Does Obama have an ace up his sleeve on this or is it just wishful thinking on my part?

So... your one hope is that Barry is purposely ****ing up the country with the TTP [ ] so that the Republicans look bad? Really?

Maedhros (6,305 posts)
2. Obama doesn't work for us. He's doing what he's told.

So--- are you saying Barry is merely a slave to the powers that be?

Star Member cherokeeprogressive (19,512 posts)
91. Be interesting to see how much the Obama's are worth in ten years. n/t

Well... Bill and Hill were dead broke when they left office...

guillaumeb (2,436 posts)
5. I vote for "wishful thinking" as the answer.

The President started his presidency taking off the table any discussion of the Iraq war, the lies and manipulation used by the GOP to start it, and stated that he would not support any investigation of the Bush cabal.

He followed that up with the statement that he would not investigate the role of the bankers in nearly ruining the US economy.

He told us that we should look forward rather than to the past.

We then got a gigantic subsidy to the insurance companies disguised as the ACA.

We have also had unprecedented levels of attacks against whistleblowers, assaults on journalistic freedom, and NSA spying on everyone.

Now we have another corporate-written, lobbyist influenced, totally secret, (at least as far as the American people go), trade deal that the President assures us will be better than NAFTA.

Please.

Barry ****ed you idiots over from the word go but you will still line up and vote for whatever master the LC tells you to in 2016.

salib (1,885 posts)
85. Yep, once he had the nomination, remember the other choice was Hillary

I worked as hard as I could for the Democrat to win. Yes, he was the Dem.

I would do it again in a second. No problem.

I expect nearly everyone here would do the same.

That said, let's make sure we can vote for, work for, support with all our hearts someone we really believe in, trust and will do us proud. Let's do him proud.

Well... we don't call you DUmpmonkies for nothin you know.

Marr (18,092 posts)
10. At this point, that 'three dimensional chess' line is outright delusional. It's Obama's second term and he's put his cards on the table. Everyone who argued that he was just cleverly acting like a corporate Dem to achieve something else has been proven thoroughly, undeniably, unredeemably wrong. He is exactly what he appeared to be when he filled his cabinet with Third Wayers and Wall Street CEO's back in 2008.

 

Andy823 (6,679 posts)
11. I wonder the same thing

The problem is you can't talk about it on DU because some here have convinced a large number here that the president is evil, that he is doing it all for "money", that he is a republican, and all kinds of other insane things. Some republicans are not happy about this passing either. I keep saying that we all need to wait to judge this deal until all the facts come out, and when the do come out I sure hope that he pulled one over on the republicans. I trust him more than the hair on fire group here on DU that keep making claims that never come true, yet never seem to apologize for their mistakes. If am wrong, I will admit it, but not till all the facts come out. I think that's only fair.

Star Member Kelvin Mace (13,915 posts)
19. I don't think he is evil he has just been suborned by the system, and he betrays us with a delusional justification that he is "helping us". When he leaves office he will never want for anything financially and will not have to suffer consequences of his actions like the rest of us will.

How many times have we heard the DUmpmonkies bemoan the fact people are voting against their best interests? Barry knows what you need, DUmpmonkies. Stop being racists and take what they are giving you and STFU.

lame54 (15,919 posts)
17. there only thing i can think of...that he is being blackmailed by the supreme court who holds the future of the affordable care act (which will be his legacy) in their hands. I know that is far-fetched but it's all i've got - otherwise i don't get him at all when it comes to this deal

Its everyone's fault but Barry's.

Kelvin Mace (13,915 posts)
92. He started betraying us almost as soon as he hit Washington. He appointed thugs like Rham Emanuel, refused to prosecute torture and other war crimes, refused to prosecute Wall Street, reneged on closing Guantanamo, dropped the public option for health care reform and let the insurance industry write the law, etc, etc.

He played the Left who had bought into the whole "hope and chnage" lie, then sold us out to the rich and powerful.

AND you idiots voted him in a second time.

truebluegreen (6,226 posts)
30. "Yes." It is wishful thinking.

Obama is a very nice man, a very moral man, a very smart man...who has spent his presidency listening to the wrong people. "Experts". The "smartest guys in the room," no doubt. I am sure that he thinks this is the best thing for the country. Unfortunately, he is far from his community organizer roots and now seems to believe that if something is good for the business class it is good for America. It is top down, not bottom up. Maybe his "community organizing" was formative in the opposite way that many of us assumed. "Cause I don't see him as in it for the money, personally. He just isn't a progressive, or even a liberal (certainly there is nothing liberal about his signature accomplishment the ACA). More's the pity.

He has been better than the alternative, certainly...and not what we needed.

  Absolutely Delusional.

Solomon (9,141 posts)
64. Hey, don't forget "piece of shit used car salesman"!

What? "Still don't think he's a used car salesman?"

 

haele (6,222 posts)
75. He's a communitarian, not a populist.

The President has made that clear by starting out all the actual policies requiring an act of Congress that he has pushed from a position of negotiation rather than from the opening position statement that was made to the public.
Communitarians will justify all actions that are seen to be for "the greater good for the continuance of the operation". They practice rule by committee; let's get together, hammer out our differences, and sing kumbaya at the end with the most people with the loudest voices making the most promises leaving the happiest. Whether it's actually the best position for the community at large in the long run can be debatable, but at least everyone at the committee table had a say.
That doesn't mean the person is a bad person or has bad ideals. It just mean that that person has a greater interest in making sure that everything runs smoothly than going through the pain that might actually get an issue fixed.

So, no, sadly. I don't think he has an ace up his sleeve. I don't think he's an actual corporate stooge, but I think that because of what he had to do and who he had to associate with as a community organizer, and to get elected, that "best thing for the community at large" mentality overshadows most of any native populist opinions he might have.

Haele

 

Vinca (23,730 posts)
105. I'm afraid this issue has made me very cynical about the POTUS.

Do you suppose he's got seven figure speaking engagements floating around his head? I can't see how this does anything but hurt the people he claimed he was working for.

[miskie]

If we are going to be tossing about conspiracy theories, consider this, DUmmies.

"Obama thinks that unions and union membership are products of White Privilege."

....And discuss...   

[Carl]

Reality is such a simple concept and place to live in.
DUmbasses should try it.

[wasp69]

Wed Jun 24, 2015, 04:02 PM

Star Member global1 (12,624 posts)

Is It Wrong For Me To Believe That Obama Is Playing 3D Chess With This TPP?.....

Like being wrong in the past has ever stopped you cretins?

I keep hoping that there is something in this trade agreement that Obama knows about that will make the Repugs regret that they joined forces with him to pass it.

Fear not, DUmbass, the voters in the various districts of the republicrats who keep pushing barry's agenda will make them regret it; just ask Eric Cantor how that tune goes.

Even to the point that Pelosi may have staged that rebellion a week or so ago - is she in on it? Was that a ploy on Obama and Pelosi's part to further lure the Repugs in voting for this agreement?

Do you think the botox empress is really that swift? 

 

No wonder you're a liberal!

I still have to believe that Obama is sincere when he says why would he do something counter to what he's been doing for all his years in office. That he wouldn't support anything that would hurt the economy he worked so hard to bring back from the brink. That he wouldn't do anything to cause more unemployment - because he worked so hard to get the employment numbers where they are today.

Of course you do!  If you didn't, you'd have to admit that the rest of us were right all along! 

Roll in your delusion and misery, pig...

Something is just not adding up to me. It seems an uncharacteristically 180 degree turn for Obama - and I just don't think he has it in him to be doing this just a a legacy thing.

Uh-oh, $kinner!  You've got one who's head is sliding far enough out of its ass to breathe fresh air, you'd better get the Einsatzgruppen to "evacuate" this heretic!

Something's not adding up....     Sure it is, retard.  You're being played!

Come on - his legacy will be he was the first black President of the U.S.

And that will be the only positive thing that will be said of him by history, DUmbass.  For the rest of us who aren't as brainwashed as you, he'll be remembered as the most useless son of a bitch to ever slime his way into office.

That seems pretty good to me for a legacy given the odds that were against him. And all through his administration he's done more good for this country than not.

Said no sane person ever...

For some reason I don't see him as a money grubbing ex-pol that will be out to just make a speech and collect a fee when he leaves office.

You still believe in the Easter Bunny, don't you?

Barry has demonstrated, over and over, his is exactly what you refuse to see.  I hope your eventual awakening is a painful one.

Does Obama have an ace up his sleeve on this or is it just wishful thinking on my part?

You're a DUmp democrat, the answer to this one is obvious.

[Duke Nukum]

Hate to break it to you DUmmies but about 25% of your lot is smarter than Obama. Especially those who have shuffled off the mortal coil.

Obama is just like you.

Obama has his hand out just like you.

The only difference is Obama as the ability to serve those who put cash into his hand. And Obama knows most of you still worship him and will continue to worship him no matter what he does.  So he has you. He doesn't need you. Get it? And what's more, you have nothing for Obama's open hand.

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[Zathras]

Ya know I'm remembering back in the day when the DUmbasses would claim that president Bush was going to cancel the election so he could stay in power. Do I think The Empty Suit would attempt to do this? No, but I believe that it's the closest we've come to someone who would try to do it in The Empty Suit.