OMG!!! The Latest horror on DUmpland... Fort Bragg!

[dutch508]

Yeah... a shitload of military forts are named after [shocked gasp] Confederate Officers...   

TheOther95Percent (617 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026891604

What About the Army Bases Named For Confederate Generals?


I am a Civil War buff. I don't do re-enactments but I do attend educational seminars held in various places throughout the year. For the last seven years - to encourage serious and factual scholarship on this important time in our history - I've sat through lectures at the Museum of the Confederacy (MOC) in Richmond; something I swore I would never do since it was - until fairly recently - a major force behind the "Lost Cause" myth. I've been going now for about 8 years. The first 2 years I thought that I made a serious ****ing mistake showing up because the audience was and usually two out of the five speakers were - to put it mildly - rabidly biased toward the Confederate side. Two years ago I was in the audience, when the MOC announced it was merging with the American Civil War Museum. There was an audible gasp from some in audience while people like me applauded. This symposium has gotten much better with speakers who provide a balanced and fact-based assessment of both sides.

Anyway, getting back to the army bases. I drive down from my home in the North to Richmond. I pass by Fort A.P. Hill. As a Liet. Gen., Hill commanded Third Corps for the Army of Northern Virginia and is believed to have instigated the first skirmishes which led to the Battle of Gettysburg. Hill would be killed in the waning days of the war in April 1865. At some point, the U.S. army named a military base for him. I would say there are more worthy candidates. A.P. Hill is not the only Confederate general to have his name bestowed on a military facility. This article names 10.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/opinion/sunday/misplaced-honor.html?_r=0

Fort Benning in Georgia is named for Henry Benning, a State Supreme Court associate justice who became one of Lee’s more effective subordinates. Before the war, this ardent secessionist inflamed fears of abolition, which he predicted would inevitably lead to black governors, juries, legislatures and more. “Is it to be supposed that the white race will stand for that?” Benning wrote. “We will be overpowered and our men will be compelled to wander like vagabonds all over the earth, and as for our women, the horrors of their state we cannot contemplate in imagination.”

Another installation in Georgia, Fort Gordon, is named for John B. Gordon, one of Lee’s most dependable commanders in the latter part of the war. Before Fort Sumter, Gordon, a lawyer, defended slavery as “the hand-maid of civil liberty.” After the war, he became a United States senator, fought Reconstruction, and is generally thought to have headed the Ku Klux Klan in Georgia. He “may not have condoned the violence employed by Klan members,” says his biographer, Ralph Lowell Eckert, “but he did not question or oppose it when he felt it was justified.”

Other Confederate namesakes include Fort A.P. Hill in Virginia, Fort Rucker in Alabama and Camp Beauregard in Louisiana. All these installations date from the buildups during the world wars, and naming them in honor of a local military figure was a simple choice. But that was a time when the Army was segregated and our views about race more ignorant. Now African-Americans make up about a fifth of the military. The idea that today we ask any of these soldiers to serve at a place named for a defender of a racist slavocracy is deplorable; the thought that today we ask any American soldier to serve at a base named for someone who killed United States Army troops is beyond absurd. Would we have a Fort Rommel? A Camp Cornwallis?

Fort Bragg in North Carolina was named after Braxton Bragg. 

A progressive Civil War buff. 

neverforget (8,467 posts)
2. Yes they need to be renamed. To what will be a big fight

TheOther95Percent (617 posts)
6. I Cannot Fathom A Reason For It To Continue

As the Time article mentions, these names were chosen when the military was still racially segregated. To name a base after someone who gave his last full measure in support of slavery is truly obnoxious.

Bases were named traditionally by the governor of the state they were located in. Surprisingly in Northern States they are named after Sherman [who burned half of Georgia and killed indians by the bushel] and Grant [Unconditional Surrender himself] and the like.

Kaleva (14,166 posts)
8. First step would be to repeal the law making Confederate soldiers US veterans

"(e) For the purpose of this section, and section 433, the term 'veteran' includes a person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War, and the term `active, military or naval service' includes active service in such forces."

http://digital.library.okstate.edu/kappler/vol6/html_files/v6p0803b.html

**** it. Let's just outlaw white people.

oneshooter (7,260 posts)
10. Would you support the bulldozing and destruction of confederate Graves? n/t

No shit. How about we unbury and throw away all the confederate dead at Gettysburg and tear down all the memorials to confederate units there?

Jamaal510 (8,429 posts)
12. K&R

[Fourwinds]

I knew it. Give them an inch and they take a mile. I just had no idea they'd be this quick about it.

[thundley4]

Let's get back to the other racial problem facing us.  We need to do away with all things named after Indians. Squaw Valley has got to go.

Indians were here before blacks, their feelings should take precedent.

[Fourwinds]

Let's get back to the other racial problem facing us.  We need to do away with all things named after Indians. Squaw Valley has got to go.

Indians were here before blacks, their feelings should take precedent.

Not as large of a voting block or as willing to be pawns.

[RayRaytheSBS]

Renaming the Posts because some progressive little whiny man-b#%ch has his panties in a bunch isn't going to happen. Fort Benning has always been Fort Benning, Fort Bragg will ALWAYS be Fort Bragg. and names are a part of the Army's tradition and history. But I wouldn't expect any of these Oxygen-thieving DUches to understand anything about tradition, or history, and respecting it.

Hey DUches, the civil war HAPPENED. As much as you idiots seem to think erasing every trace of it will make it like it didn't, it won't. Are there some people who take it to the extreme like this Roof DUche (what's his DU name?)? You better believe it. But most people don't really care about what happened 165 YEARS ago.

Here's a thought; How about only people who have actively served in the United States Army get a say as to what the Army bases get named. The rest of you 99.5% of the population, go about your lives. We've got this under control, and I'm pretty certain that the world will NOT end because Fort Bragg is (GASP) named after a confederate general.

[HawkHogan]

5 Percent of people in the South owned Slaves.  And weren't a good amount of Confederate officers against slavery?

Absolute morons.

And don't worry, our Republican overlords are also selling us out.  Now a Republican running for governor, Matt Bevin, wants his state to remove it's statue to Jefferson Davis.

[BlueStateSaint]

What are the bases going to be renamed to?  FT Harvey Milk?  FT Dan Savage?

Once this shit starts . . . 

 

[wasp69]

Once this shit starts . . . 

 

This is why Nikki Haley never should have bowed to these mindless fiends.

[RayRaytheSBS]

What are the bases going to be renamed to?  FT Harvey Milk?  FT Dan Savage?

Once this shit starts . . . 

 

Well if the Navy Secretary's retardation in naming the 'USS Gabby Giffords' is any example, you might not be too far off. I'm waiting for them to say Fort Bragg will be renamed 'Fort Bradley Manning' for his exceptional achievements in being a traitorous douche.

[jtyangel]

I wonder if they are even inciteful enough to see thier own similarities to the Taliban and isis ie destroying significant historical monuments and signs in an attempt to pretend like those events and history never happened. Domestic terrorists who imo would commit the same genocide on those not in thier favor if given a chance. As much as they want to hate this moron who gunned those people down they are him against thier perceived enemies  if they can find a way to make thier actions acceptable.

[Texacon]

And the DUmmies tell us time and again, they're for FREEDOM and the repukes are for banning everything.  LOL

KC

[JohnnyReb]

What about that little town in California name Fort Bragg?.....or R. E. Lee's precious Arlington? Once you get that snowball rolling down hill.....................

[RayRaytheSBS]

What about that little town in California name Fort Bragg?.....or R. E. Lee's precious Arlington? Once you get that snowball rolling down hill.....................

Too true Reb, too true. These idiots seem to think that removing all the Confederate stuff will make those dead people rise from the grave. It won't, but they'll 'feel' better, and that's what's important, right?! /DUmode off

[wasp69]

What about that little town in California name Fort Bragg?.....or R. E. Lee's precious Arlington? Once you get that snowball rolling down hill.....................

Aren't these the same ass-cracks that constantly accuse the Southerners of still fighting the "Civil War"?

[txradioguy]

What are the bases going to be renamed to?  FT Harvey Milk?  FT Dan Savage?

Once this shit starts . . . 

 

There will be no end to it.

Next up...they'll want to do away with the Citadel and VMI since they graduated southern military officers during the Civil War and are contiuing symbols of racial oppression and slavery.

[Rebel]

Dumbass CNN skank now wonders if we should tear down the Jefferson Memorial

[DLR Pyro]

I'm waiting for them to say Fort Bragg will be renamed 'Fort Bradley Manning' for his exceptional achievements in being a traitorous douche.

That would be easy to do.  Just replace the "Br" in Bragg and replace it with a "F"....

[FiddyBeowulf]

Well if the Navy Secretary's retardation in naming the 'USS Gabby Giffords' is any example, you might not be too far off. I'm waiting for them to say Fort Bragg will be renamed 'Fort Bradley Manning' for his exceptional achievements in being a traitorous douche.

They would never change Fort Bragg to Fort Bradley Manning. Now Fort Chelsey Manning on the other hand...

[SVPete]

What about that little town in California name Fort Bragg?.....or R. E. Lee's precious Arlington? Once you get that snowball rolling down hill.....................

Visited Fort Bragg, CA quite a few times. It was named for Gen. Braxton Bragg ... before the Civil War. Why? Because he had served heroically in another war - of which DU-folk probably disapprove - the Mexican-American War. If this DU-idiot had bothered to learn much about the Civil War (s)he would know that one major reason the North did so poorly in battle early in the war is that a majority of the upper leadership in the US Army were from and fighting for the South. Most of those leaders had served - with distinction, as their having been promoted to upper leadership indicates - in the Mex-Am War.

It's amusing how so many Lib/Prog causes-celebre-in-teapots turn out to have very mundane explanations.

[txradioguy]

I guess while the Progs are at it...we need to take a hard look at re-naming Ft. Sam Houston as well...I mean after all...he defeated Santa Ana and that's racist towards Mexicans.

 

[SVPete]

OMG! Just had a horrible thought! The President lives in.......the White House!

[JohnnyReb]

OMG! Just had a horrible thought! The President lives in.......the White House!

I bet Moochelle would like to paint it yellow with blue shutters.

[Karin]

As Rush said, they're trying to dismantle the very Southern way of life and culture.  They have no idea  what's in store.  They're seriously overreaching.

[txradioguy]

OMG! Just had a horrible thought! The President lives in.......the White House!

Don't think for a second that the POTUS hasn't thought about re-naming it if he thought he could get away with it.

My guess is his staff isn't allowed to refer to it as that in internal conversations and private chats.

My guess is it's referred to (by decree of Valerie Jarrett of course) as the "Executive Residence".

[Rebel]

This will be the next battleground:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Campbell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_B._Campbell

In 1835, Campbell moved back to Carthage, and was elected to Smith County's seat in the Tennessee House of Representatives. He resigned his seat in 1836, however, in order to fight in the Second Seminole War. He served as a captain under Colonel William Trousdale.

The American flag and everything named after those evil perpetrators of genocide towards the peace-loving, pot-smoking Natives.

(I'm just going to go ahead and assume the removal of all the buildings and monuments dedicated to the confederacy are already in the process of being removed. There's even talk of changing the named of Forrest County in MS.)

I have a bad feeling this isn't going to go well for this country. Bunch of ****ing sheep on the left being herded up for slaughter by their leftist shepherds.