primitives discuss tire pressure monitoring systems

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018766043

Oh my.

Tobin S. (7,656 posts)    Sat May 30, 2015, 05:28 PM

TPMS = Tire Pressure Monitoring System = Suckage
 
At least on my 2010 Honda Civic. It's been a very good car for me with this one exception.

There are sensors on the car's wheels that communicate the air pressure in the tires with the car's computer. If the air pressure drops too much in one of the tires, a light comes on in my dash telling me so. It sounds like a good idea, and really, it is, but it was poorly executed in design. I've had to replace three sensors since I've owned the car. The first two were covered under warranty. I replaced the third one today and it cost me over $150. When the first two went, they failed totally and deflated the tires they were connected to. It was a good thing my car was parked both times. On the last one, it just created a slow leak, but put a big dent in my wallet. 

First up, Bernie's chief apologist:

NYC_SKP (68,536 posts)    Sat May 30, 2015, 05:37 PM

1. I've been lucky, I guess, have them on present car and my last one, a Prius.
 
The current car is a Chevy Volt and I haven't had any trouble, although it really sucks if you have a blowout.

No spare, not even a cheater tiny spare. And the tires are specially designed to have low rolling resistance and, as a consequence, are not very rupture resistant if you hit a curb or something.

All I had was the inflate-a-flat sealer and an electric compressor, not even a jack.

Happily, I was just blocks from home and was able to avoid a tow truck.

Anyway all this makes me miss the 67 Biscayne and 66 Malibu...

discntnt_irny_srcsm (9,224 posts)    Sat May 30, 2015, 05:45 PM

3. I had a '66 Caprice wagon
 
You could sleep 3 - 4 people in it. 

When solenoid went, I could start it with a screwdriver. Scared the girlfriend a bit when it started without me in the car, but it started. 

None of the tune up and maintenance parts were over $10 and most were under $5.

discntnt_irny_srcsm (9,224 posts)   Sat May 30, 2015, 05:39 PM

2. That's terrible
 
A "feature" that renders a vehicle undriveable should it fail is what we used to call a liability. Power windows are another good thing until they fail while open...

at a toll plaza... 

in a storm... 

in the Winter!

dixiegrrrrl (40,942 posts)    Sat May 30, 2015, 07:23 PM

4. I came from the type of people who inherently distrusted stuff like that
 
even an automatic shift...." do you know how expensive it is to fix one if they go out???"
and "ya blow a gear in a stick, you can still drive it in an emergency"

Power windows...." trust me, it will refuse to go up at the worst time"

power steering..." engine stops, you can't even steer to the side of the road".

Luckily, I never had an engine stop while I was driving.

I suspect my old 93 stick is gonna become valuable to somebody, at some point.

Major Nikon (17,974 posts)    Sat May 30, 2015, 07:32 PM

5. You might try going through Honda customer service
 
Even if it's out of warranty, clearly this is Honda's fault. If this is a high failure rate item with your model, they might offer to reimburse you for the repair cost. Many years ago I got Chevrolet to repaint my car, even though it wasn't covered under warranty because of a paint job that was defective from the factory.

Mnpaul (2,265 posts)    Sat May 30, 2015, 09:17 PM

6. At that price
 
I would give aftermarket sensors a try - $6

http://www.oewheelsllc.com/TPMS-Sensors_5/Single-TPMS-Sensors-for-Honda/TPMS-sensors-for-honda#.VWpg0_RtfsE

Tobin S. (7,656 posts)    Sat May 30, 2015, 11:31 PM

7. Too late
 
I don't know how to replace one anyway. I think most of the cost was labor.

Mnpaul (2,265 posts)    Sun May 31, 2015, 01:34 AM

8. I think most of the cost was dealer markup
 
labor shouldn't be more than 15 minutes to change. The tire has to removed from car, deflated and then break the bead to change the sensor. The tire doesn't have to be removed from the rim. I would take it to a tire shop if it happens again. A tire pressure sensor shouldn't cost most than a tire.

Tobin S. (7,656 posts)    Sun May 31, 2015, 08:53 AM

9. The part was $50.25

[sharkhawk]

It's a tire sensor, it doesn't render the car undrivable, it's just a light on the dashboard.  Check the tires yourself dumbass, and ignore the light if you don't want to blow $150 on it.

Oh, another rant, DUmmies the gas station is not ripping you off for air, you pay for the air compressor to pump your tires, you want free air, take the cap off the valve stem and blow.  (I can bet without looking that some dummie will bring this up).

[Chris_]

Boy, that was difficult.

If you want to get really crazy, you could buy more than one. 

[BlueStateSaint]

Boy, that was difficult.

If you want to get really crazy, you could buy more than one.

You don't get it, Chris.  They don't want to work and they don't want the responsibility of having to take care of themselves.

[GOBUCKS]

Happily, I was just blocks from home and was able to avoid a tow truck.

Stupid. Towing coverage might add three or four bucks to your insurance premium.

[Carl]

Odumbo told you mutts to check your tire pressure to save on gas,it is just a result of regulations mandating higher mpg standards.

Pay the price and be happy for it jackass.

[obumazombie]

Discontent_Irony_Sarcasm is a good combo for a DUmmie.

[Ptarmigan]

No wonder why we call DUmmies DUmmies. They are so DUmb. 

[diesel driver]

I like to know that kind of TPMS Honda is using that deflates the tires when they fail...  Never heard of such BS.

Even the "el cheapo" ones that attach to your valve stems won't do that.  DUmmie Tobin is lying, just like your typical DUmmie.

My beef with TPMS is you have to "recalibrate" the sensors after you rotate the tires, (IOW, you have to have a special tool that resets the new tire/sensor location, or take it to a dealer)   

[Big Dog]

What, no post from the d-bag on the TPMS for Inflatable Wife? I do believe she has 'Inflate to 42 psi' tattooed on her ass.

[obumazombie]

What, no post from the d-bag on the TPMS for Inflatable Wife? I do believe she has 'Inflate to 42 psi' tattooed on her ass.

The standard tattoo needle gun would leave a lot of patching to do.
Perhaps they have a specialty tool for that kind of work ?

[BlueStateSaint]

The standard tattoo needle gun would leave a lot of patching to do.
Perhaps they have a specialty tool for that kind of work ?

One of these . . .

[obumazombie]

^Heh.
That was good for a laugh.
Good work as usual BSS.

[freedumb2003b]

Boy, that was difficult.

If you want to get really crazy, you could buy more than one.

I think the Romney or Mccain campaign (can't remember which) has a few of those left.

[JohnnyReb]

Boy, that was difficult.

If you want to get really crazy, you could buy more than one.

Hey, the smartest people in the world can't figure out how to use one of those and half of them thought it was for measuring dicks.

[jukin]

I can hit the side of a tire with my fist and be within 5 PSIG.

[freedumb2003b]

I can hit the side of a tire with my fist and be within 5 PSIG.

I lost that ability when cars didn't have carbs I could rebuild.

[Big Dog]

Hey, the smartest people in the world can't figure out how to use one of those and half of them thought it was for measuring dicks.

RSmithNumbers thought so.

rsmithnumbers

Hey, I measured my dick, ladies. It's a 35!

[67 Rover]

NYC_SKP (68,536 posts)    Sat May 30, 2015, 05:37 PM

1. I've been lucky, I guess, have them on present car and my last one, a Prius.
 
The current car is a Chevy Volt and I haven't had any trouble, although it really sucks if you have a blowout.

No spare, not even a cheater tiny spare. And the tires are specially designed to have low rolling resistance and, as a consequence, are not very rupture resistant if you hit a curb or something.

All I had was the inflate-a-flat sealer and an electric compressor, not even a jack.

Happily, I was just blocks from home and was able to avoid a tow truck.

Anyway all this makes me miss the 67 Biscayne and 66 Malibu...

You are welcome Jackass. 

[BlueStateSaint]

You are welcome Jackass. 

Skippy's "a dolt in a Volt." 

[diesel driver]

Does Skippy have one of those wonderful GM cars that caught on fire when you recharged it? 

May his demise be as glorious as it be brief! 

[obumazombie]

You are welcome Jackass. 

At least he didn't leech a Tesla off of us.

Speaking of leeching, anyone remember The owebumaphone lady and her owebumaphone ?

Surprise of surprises, it's become another welfare giveaway that's being abused and defrauded...

(CNSNews.com)
– Democrats on Tuesday used a Senate subcommittee hearing on federal “Lifeline” telephone subsidies to advocate for new subsidies on broadband Internet service.

“Everyone needs a broadband connection to participate in today's society,” said ranking member Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) in his opening statement.

The Senate Subcommittee on Communications, Technology, Innovation, and the Internet met to discuss ways to prevent waste, fraud, and abuse in the Lifeline program after a March report from the General Accountability Office (GAO) found a sizeable portion of the program’s funds had been spent improperly.

Specifically, the report found that program disbursements had declined from a high of $2.2 billion in 2012 to $1.7 billion in 2014 after reforms had been implemented to prevent ineligible households from receiving benefits.

However, Democrats had little to say about the funds that had been misspent.
In his opening statement, Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) suggested the wasteful spending was in the past, saying, “Where cases of abuse in the program have been identified, the FCC has responded with targeted reforms and robust enforcement actions against bad actors.

“There is no denying that, as we move to a digital economy, access to broadband has become essential,” Nelson continued.

Schatz concurred, saying broadband was necessary “to perform the most basic tasks, like a video chat with your doctor, applying for a job, doing your homework, or paying for a parking ticket.

“Expanding Lifeline subsidies to broadband simply recognizes the reality of how people communicate today,” Schatz said.

Speaking as a witness, Scott Bergmann, an official with the Cellular Telephone Industries Association (CTIA), agreed, but asked that his own industry not be left out.
"The FCC’s reforms must not exclude – intentionally or unintentionally – wireless solutions,” he said.
He also requested that reforms “encourage greater wireless participation in the program.”

The Lifeline program, created in 1985, historically provided a partial subsidy to cover landline telephone service for individuals at or below 135 percent of the federal poverty limit.
Funds for the program come out of the Federal Communications Commission’s (FCC) Universal Service Fund (USF), which is paid for through a fee placed on telephone bills.
The amount of the contribution changes quarterly; it currently sits at 17.4 percent of subscribers’ telephone bills.
Presently, there are around 12 million people who receive the subsidy.

The program was expanded in 2005 to cover prepaid wireless service as well as landline service.
Though the change came before President Obama took office, the program was dubbed "Obamaphone" when a September 2012 video surfaced, showing a woman in Cleveland pledging to vote for Obama because he “gave” her a phone.

“Everybody in Cleveland, low minorities, got Obama phone.
Keep Obama in president, you know.
He gave us a phone, he gonna do more,” she said in the video


As it turned out, Obama vastly increased spending on the program in his first term.

Speaking this past March, President Obama blamed the incident on Fox News, saying, “If you watch Fox News on a regular basis, it is a constant menu -- they will find folks who make me mad.
I don’t know where they find them.
They’re like, I don’t want to work, I just want a free Obamaphone.”

In spite of the recent reforms and the GAO’s report, it remains unclear how many ineligible Lifeline subscribers are continuing to receive the subsidy inappropriately.
Committee Chairman Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) asked Michael Clements, a GAO official, to clarify that fact.
"There are 12 million participants and we have no idea how many are ineligible.
Is that right?" Wicker asked.

"We don't know that," Clements confirmed.         

"Does anyone on the panel care to take a stab at that?” Wicker asked.
After several moments of silence, he concluded, “I think that’s helpful information to the subcommittee.”

Though congressional Democrats used the hearing to speak in favor of broadband Internet subsidies, Congress will not have a vote in the matter.
The FCC, which is comprised of three Democrat and two Republican commissioners, is set to vote on the subsidy on June 18.

The estimated cost of the proposal has not been released.

full article...

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rudy-takala/hearing-misspent-telephone-subsidies-democrats-advocate-new-subsidies

[Bad Dog]

I like to know that kind of TPMS Honda is using that deflates the tires when they fail...  Never heard of such BS.

Even the "el cheapo" ones that attach to your valve stems won't do that.  DUmmie Tobin is lying, just like your typical DUmmie.

My beef with TPMS is you have to "recalibrate" the sensors after you rotate the tires, (IOW, you have to have a special tool that resets the new tire/sensor location, or take it to a dealer)   

They are recalibrated within your computer.  Dig through your manual.  If I remember correctly on mine, I have to turn the key on and off 5 times in three seconds, mash the brake twice while holding my left eye closed.

[diesel driver]

They are recalibrated within your computer.  Dig through your manual.  If I remember correctly on mine, I have to turn the key on and off 5 times in three seconds, mash the brake twice while holding my left eye closed.

Today's owners manuals are about as useful to me as bicycle is to a quadruple amputee.

According to the manual, there is some type of tool you have to use, starting with the left front, and moving clockwise around the truck. 

However, I have heard you can put the truck computer in "learn" mode, and start letting air out the left front until the tire alarm goes off, then move to the right front, right rear, and left rear.  Re-inflate the tires when finished.

Still, a lot more complicated than jacking up the car, and putting the fronts on the rear and vise versa.