DU FISH FRY: Today's Special Red Herring

[zeitgeist]

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10026755603

 

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:40 PM

Star Member madfloridian (84,152 posts)

Some shocking views of the group known as The Family or the Fellowship.
   
There are reasons why some have concerns about their goals.

Interestingly enough the group was founded as an anti-union movement.

While 700 plus policemen patrolled the 1934 union strikes, The Family founder prayed with the elite.

These are a couple of paragraphs I transcribed from Jeff Sharlet's book The Family.

This part showed a sharp contrast between the wealthy and the workers. They seemed to take the efforts of the unions to gain power very personally...or as Sharlet once said Abram Vereides considered it a challenge to God's sovereignty. From page 104 about the 1934 union strikes:

{snip}

Brevity is the soul of wit.  And a lot of this is as witless as it gets.

From page 104 about the 1934 union strikes:

Seven hundred policemen in dark blue patrolled the waterfront on foot and in black cars and on high chestnut horses. Twice that number and more picketed and searched for strikebreakers. The middle class began contemplating last minute vacations. The wives of the wealthy bunkered up at the Union Club, where Abram led prayer meetings for businessmen. As the blue tear gas sent tendrils up the hill, they must have felt frustrated by his optimistic lessons in biblical capitalism. Scripture has much to say about honest dealing and even more about handling the heathen, but not once does it mention organized labor.


{snip}


The Family likes to call itself a “Christian Mafia,” but it began 74 years ago as an anti-New Deal coalition of businessmen convinced that organized labor was under the sway of Satan. The Great Depression, they believed, was a punishment from God for what they viewed as FDR’s socialism. The Family’s goal was the “consecration” of America to God, first through the repeal of New Deal reforms, then through the aggressive expansion of American power during the Cold War. They called this a “Worldwide Spiritual Offensive,” but in Washington, it amounted to the nation’s first fundamentalist lobby. Early participants included Southern Sens. Strom Thurmond, Herman Talmadge and Absalom Willis Robertson — Pat Robertson’s father. Membership lists stored in the Family’s archive at the Billy Graham Center at evangelical Wheaton College in Illinois show active participation at any given time over the years by dozens of congressmen.

{snip}


Mother Jones, the progressive politics magazine, delves into Dem prez contender Hillary Clinton's religious and political life - and among the few in her inner circle who would talk for the story was Grace Nelson, wife of Florida Sen. Bill Nelson.

Nelson, the magazine notes, was one of Clinton's "cell mates" in the DC-based Fellowship, described by the magazine as "a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business and military leaders dedicated to 'spiritual war' on behalf of Christ."

The magazine quotes Nelson - whom it describes as "a piety broker in Florida politics" because of her role as organizer of the Governor's Prayer Breakfast - as cautioning that she's not "at liberty" to reveal much.

Here's what the story says:

"Clinton's prayer cell was tight-knit, according to Nelson, who recalled that one of her conservative prayer partners was at first loath to pray for the first lady, but learned to 'love Hillary as much as any of us love Hillary.' Cells like these, Nelson added, exist in 'parliaments all over the world,' with all welcome so long as they submit to 'the person of Jesus' as the source of their power."


There are two more shocking statements from the Salon article. The statement by the son of the present head of The Family is especially shocking in light of recent news stories.


But David Coe, Doug Coe’s son and heir apparent, calls himself simply a friend to men such as John Ensign, whom he guided through the coverup of his affair. I met the younger Coe when I lived for several weeks as a member of the Family. He’s a surprising source of counsel, spiritual or otherwise. Attempting to explain what it means to be chosen for leadership like King David was — or Mark Sanford, according to his own estimate — he asked a young man who’d put himself, body and soul, under the Family’s authority, “Let’s say I hear you raped three little girls. What would I think of you?” The man guessed that Coe would probably think that he was a monster. “No,” answered Coe, “I wouldn’t.” Why? Because, as a member of the Family, he’s among what Family leaders refer to as the “new chosen.” If you’re chosen, the normal rules don’t apply. 

Their support of dictators around the world who commit atrocities is also a shocking stance, and it seems to prove the point about the group being about power....not about religion.

 If the Family men who stood over John Ensign as he wrote a baldly insincere breakup letter to his mistress were naive about hearts that want what they want, they don’t claim ignorance about the strongmen with whom they build bonds of prayer and foreign aid. They admire them. Counseling Rep. Tiahrt, Doug Coe offered Pol Pot and Osama bin Laden as men whose commitment to their causes is to be emulated. Preaching on the meaning of Christ’s words, he says, “You know Jesus said ‘You got to put Him before mother-father-brother sister? Hitler, Lenin, Mao, that’s what they taught the kids. Mao even had the kids killing their own mother and father. But it wasn’t murder. It was for building the new nation. The new kingdom.”

 
Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:46 PM

Star Member NYC_SKP (68,485 posts)

1. The Family or the Fellowship, Anti-Union, this all makes sense.... Was Hillary a friend or member?
 
I've seen articles on Kos, Slate, and Huffington Post suggesting that she was part of the inner circle.

Of course I, NYC_SKP, have no idea if that's true.

But if there's any truth to it then I think it's important to know.

 

 
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sat May 30, 2015, 11:48 PM

Star Member madfloridian (84,152 posts)

2. I don't know that answer.
 
 

 

Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #1)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:17 AM

Luminous Animal (23,507 posts)

4. She participated in their weekly women's prayer and bible reading group. Men and women are
 
segregated. Women interns serve as cooks and maids. Men interns do yard work.

I've yet to ascertain if membership is restricted to men only and women are mere adjuncts. All members are sworn to secrecy about their affiliation.

Sharlet's book, 'The Family' was published in 2009 but I only caught up with it last year and I was horrified. Particularly with their worst of the worst mass murderers as organizational models to emulate… Mao, Hitler, and Stalin, and their currying favor with modern mass murdering and oppressive despots.

What they seek is access to power and affirm the powerful that their power is biblically justified.

When George Bush rejected "The Fellowship" brand of Christianity, Doug Coe, the head of The Fellowship, called up Bill Clinton to complain. And Bill assured Coe that George would 'get it'… i.e. that George would ultimately understand.
 
 

Let the games begin but watch out for bones, the fillet job is not that good.  This op may self destruct. The Skin man is a Hillary fanboy...
 

 


Response to madfloridian (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:25 AM

Star Member Agschmid (14,436 posts)

6. So conspiracy theories are okay in GD now?
 
I mean did anyone actually read the post? How is this not divisive, what does this accomplish for us, Democrats, or anyone for that matter?

The day that Bernie Sanders or Martin O'Malley use this as a campaign tool, hell will have frozen over and we as a party are screwed.
 
 

 

Response to Agschmid (Reply #6)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:29 AM

Star Member madfloridian (84,152 posts)

7. We much disagree about the conspiracy part.
 
Many here have posted about this group for years.

Feel free to alert or whatever you need to do.

 
 

 

Response to madfloridian (Reply #7)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:31 AM

Star Member Agschmid (14,436 posts)

8. No alert from me. Don't stress it.
 

 

 

Response to Agschmid (Reply #8)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:32 AM

Star Member madfloridian (84,152 posts)

9. Not stressing at all. I don't alert on anything.

So much appreciated.


 

 

Response to Agschmid (Reply #6)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:36 AM

Star Member rhett o rick (44,309 posts)

10. First of all, we as a party are screwed. When the party bows down to billionaires
 
the party is screwed. Ironic that Citizens United was created to derail H. Clinton and now it looks like it will sweep her into the WH.

Studies have shown that we no longer live in a constitutionally controlled democratic republic but a Plutocratic Oligarchy. The Oligarchs want H. Clinton. That should be a warning sign.
 

 

O'Malley is the new Kennedy.  He is going to wipe the floor with Hilderbeast and the Old White Guy

Lots more comments at the link including a few swipes at  Freemasons and more.

[Big Dog]

Man, that is some crazy shit.

[zeitgeist]

Man, that is some crazy shit.

That's why I said go now before it goes away.  The inmates are indeed running the asylum today.  Once the guards wake up from the Saturday night hangover I expect it to be 'broomed'.

[98ZJUSMC]

Star Member NYC_SKP (68,485 posts)

1. The Family or the Fellowship, Anti-Union, this all makes sense.

Well, of course it does, Frank Lloyd Wrong.  You realize that a lot of ..... Architects!!!    are members, right?   

felt frustrated by his optimistic lessons in biblical capitalism.   

No way I could come up with that.  There's simply not enough weed.

 

The Great Depression, they believed, was a punishment from God Math! for what they viewed as FDR’s socialism.

There.  I solve your conspiracy. 

[Big Dog]

Agschmid

6. So conspiracy theories are okay in GD now?
 
I mean did anyone actually read the post? How is this not divisive, what does this accomplish for us, Democrats, or anyone for that matter?

What is it they always say on Skins' Island?

Oh, yeah: It's not the nature of the evidence, it's the seriousness of the charge.

[98ZJUSMC]

Star Member VanillaRhapsody (17,342 posts)
101. true.....these Swiftboaters for Bernie elEbIntY!!!111! will be on to some other trumped up bullshit against her!

 

[98ZJUSMC]

aspirant (1,496 posts)
60. Masons = cult

"The Family" cult approves of rape, therefore Masons are pro-rape

Cults take "vows of secrecy", the TPP is secret, therefore the US Trade Dept is a cult

See how this can work?

 

[Big Dog]

The Great Depression, they believed, was a punishment from God for what they viewed as FDR’s socialism.

Even for a DUmmy, this is exceptionally stupid. Somebody must have mixed Dran-O in with his crack.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Man, that is some crazy shit.

Yeppers.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Skinner not be pleased.

[Mr Mannn]

I wonder if this conspiracy was brought up to be easily debunked.
and through this, all the other scandals will be dismissed without further examination.

[zeitgeist]

I wonder if this conspiracy was brought up to be easily debunked.
and through this, all the other scandals will be dismissed without further examination.

Actually I haven't been paying attention to the Bernie / Hillary camps that closely but my take is this is payback which has been brewing over a number of threads.  Here are a couple more, one of which is definitely a mole or sock puppet offering.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/12778535

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10026754659

It could also be an attempt to 'get out in front of it' campaign although I doubt it.    Do I think Hillary is a Fundy ?      

[SVPete]

Geez, what a load of guilt-by-association conspiracy-theory crapola! I think I waded through the OP above, did they ever get around to tying in the Illuminati, Opus Dei, KKK, CFR, Bilderburgers, Koch Brothers, Richard Mellon Scaife, Bob Jones University, Phred Phelps, and all their other assorted bogeymen?

[Big Dog]

Geez, what a load of guilt-by-association conspiracy-theory crapola! I think I waded through the OP above, did they ever get around to tying in the Illuminati, Opus Dei, KKK, CFR, Bilderburgers, Koch Brothers, Richard Mellon Scaife, Bob Jones University, Phred Phelps, and all their other assorted bogeymen?

The Vast Right Wing Lunch: Bilderburger with fries, Mellon Scaife on the side, and a large Koch.

[SVPete]

The Vast Right Wing Lunch: Bilderburger with fries, Mellon Scaife on the side, and a large Koch.

  H-5!

[obumazombie]

The Vast Right Wing Lunch: Bilderburger with fries, Mellon Scaife on the side, and a large Koch.

A little TLC salt and a dash of CFR pepper for flavor.

[fatboy]

Response to Agschmid (Reply #6)

Sun May 31, 2015, 12:36 AM

 rhett o rick (44,320 posts)

10. First of all, we as a party are screwed. When the party bows down to billionaires the party is screwed. Ironic that Citizens United was created to derail H. Clinton and now it looks like it will sweep her into the WH.
 
Studies have shown that we no longer live in a constitutionally controlled democratic republic but a Plutocratic Oligarchy. The Oligarchs want H. Clinton. That should be a warning sign.

Dear DUmmy rhett o rick (44,320 posts). Basically the only reason you are not in the running for a DOTY is because you simply don't post enought BS. Your heart is in the the right place; you hate the USA, you hate Christians and you hate hard working tax payers, but you need to to put it all toghther during the all important November DOTY sweeps.

OK, allow me to point out a simple fact of life, IF Citizens United were ever reversed, it will eliminate the Labor Unions ability to contribute to political causes. The Democrats will not allow this to happen. Bernie Sanders will not allow this and Hillary, forget it. If you had even two functioning brain cells and took the 5 minutes needed to read Citizens United you would understand this. But in the end you are a DUmmy so that is that.

 

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

Cuckoo, cuckoo!
Let's see, there's anti- union interests, evil rich corporate boogeymen, Republicans (Including one of the posters trying to link Bush to it), Christians, Democrats that the left is divided on (i.e. Hillary). All that are missing to make it the ultimate DU BS conspiracy theory would be Joooos (Especially ones directly associated with the nation of Israel), Illuminati,  Dick Cheney, and Sarah Palin.

As I recall, madfloridian has some kind of psychotic obsession with Howard Dean.
A few years ago, the crew at DUmmie Funnies created a freaking hilarious song- parody about her called "Floridian, the bad mood DUmmy," to the tune of the Marx Brothers song "Lydia the Tattooed Lady."

[DumbAss Tanker]

Geez, what a load of guilt-by-association conspiracy-theory crapola! I think I waded through the OP above, did they ever get around to tying in the Illuminati, Opus Dei, KKK, CFR, Bilderburgers, Koch Brothers, Richard Mellon Scaife, Bob Jones University, Phred Phelps, and all their other assorted bogeymen?

That's just what the Trilateral Commission wants you to think!!!111!!!

 

[obumazombie]

That's just what the Trilateral Commission wants you to think!!!111!!!

 

And the CFR.