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One among many Duggar threads
« on: May 22, 2015, 08:47:13 PM »
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Is the Duggar child molestation part of a trend among xian home schoolers?
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/four-of-six-homeschooled-brothers-plead-guilty-to-molesting-their-sister-while-anti-school-parents-did-nothing/

Four homeschooled brothers pleaded guilty Thursday to molesting their younger sister from the time she was 4 years old until she was almost 15 – and their parents and two other brothers still face charges related to the case.
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The victim in the Jackson case told investigators that she believed she would go to hell if she told anyone about the assaults, which she said took place at least twice a week.

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After the eldest brother — who was the first to abuse his sister — contacted authorities, the parents fled with the victim to Colorado.




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Yep, because nobody ever gets molested by going to public school.
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2. I'm sure we don't know.

It does seem like the perfect set-up though. I mean, no school counselors obligated to report child abuse crimes to the authorities. It keeps the abused completely cloistered.

Those public school counselors catch everything, in between their desk naps

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4. I would think in some cases yes

It all depends on what kind of outside interaction is going on. If, when these boys are starting to develop sexual attractions, do they have outside social opportunities? If not, it would make a warped kind of sense they'd turn those urges towards the nearest available females.

In our case, the kids have way more social interaction than either my wife or I had in public school.  There is a huge homeschooling group in our area and the kids have good friends from all walks of life.  the ignorance of the primitives isn't surprising.

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7. The more fundy the family, the more likely physical, sexual and other abuse is going on.

There was one guy that was famous for physical and sexual abuse... In fact he gained some notoriety from it....just can't place him....hmmm...

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2013/09/27/bill-clinton-a-long-history-of-alleged-rape-and-sexual-assault/
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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2015, 08:54:22 PM »
That's an interesting proposition.
I would guess that an overwhelming majority of child molestors are libs/dems/socialists...you know like Bill Clinnochio.
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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2015, 09:17:56 PM »
That's an interesting proposition.
I would guess that an overwhelming majority of child molestors are libs/dems/socialists...you know like Bill Clinnochio.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1980959/posts

And one of the most infamous Democrat perverts of all time!  Found right at the dump!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2642476&mesg_id=2642476

Fortunately, this one saved everybody the trouble and removed himself from society permanently.
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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2015, 09:42:06 PM »
You have a convicted sex offender (coles county) that continually has a beggar gofund me thread bumped.
You have Will the Drunk who co authored a book with a multi convicted pedophile and has had his own questionable issues with underage girls.
You have Rob "Atman" posting a suggestive and PUBLIC picture on FB that makes normal people cringe.

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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2015, 10:16:58 PM »
Heh! RawStory and/or "xfundy" should have researched that Wake Forest, NC abuse story a bit more before pontificating about it. Or at least anticipated that some one might. A few inconvenient facts are omitted:

* The family was not particularly religious;

* It came out when one of the abusing brother started attending Hope Baptist Church, apparently became a believer, became convinced through the church's teaching that what he and his brothers had been doing was wrong, and confessed to a church elder;

* The brother agreed to go with that elder to the police and confessed;

* The church elder stated that had the brother not gone to the police to report himself, he, the elder, would have gone to the police.

To say the least, quite different from how "xfundy" represented what happened. Different to the point of being the opposite of how "xfundy" represented it. To be sure, "xfundy" pretty much followed what RawStory claimed, but 5 minutes or less using "xfundy's" search engine of choice would have brought him to a more complete - and coherent - report of the story, a report that would have included what RawStory omitted.

Before proceeding, I'm going to point out some of my background that is relevant to some of the DU discussion. My wife and I homeschooled our children, K-12. We started and led a Silicon Valley area homeschool support group that in 4 years went from a few families meeting in our backyard to 120 families; 20 years later, the group is still around. Our children participated in sports leagues and a choir for homeschoolers. We attended local and statewide homeschooling conventions, helping organize the former, and volunteering at both. I apologize for the boring details, but they are the context for my saying that we knew and met possibly as many as 2000 homeschooling families here in Silicon Valley and from around CA.

I wonder how many - if any - homeschooling families some of those DU-folk have known. Their invocations of two stereotypes - that homeschoolers are homogeneously "fundamentalists", and that homeschooled children are kept isolated - tell me that if they answered truthfully, the number of homeschooling families they know would be 2 or less (and "2" is me being generous).

When we were homeschooling, on the order of 10%-15% of homeschooling families in the US were not Christians. My guess is that the current % of non-Christian homeschooling families is similar or somewhat larger.

As implied above, most (probably the vast majority) homeschooling families do not isolate their children. Besides the sports leagues and choir, our children assisted in the children's ministry at our church, our son earned Eagle rank in Scouting (which means he served multiple times as a leader in his troop and had to organize people to work in his Eagle project), our support group had weekly park days, art classes & journalism classes, and our daughter went on work-outreach trips to a school and village in Mexico. That I can recall, :-) . Our problem was not too few "socialization" opportunities, but making sure they were home enough to do their school work.

Oh, in that ~2 thousand homeschooling families, we did not hear of even one instance of sexual abuse. Zeee-Roe!

As to PSs whose teachers and educrats being such a safe haven, those DU-folk should search "teacher rubber rooms" using their search engine of choice. The news stories I've seen in the past have been about NYC and the Land of LA, but I would be totally surprised if they are unique.
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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2015, 10:56:09 PM »
That's an interesting proposition.
I would guess that an overwhelming majority of child molestors are libs/dems/socialists...you know like Bill Clinnochio.

They are, and it's often suppressed, if possible.
              

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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2015, 12:57:31 AM »
That's an interesting proposition.
I would guess that an overwhelming majority of child molestors are libs/dems/socialists...you know like Bill Clinnochio.

Or mass murderers and terrorists.
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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2015, 02:07:51 AM »
Dear Hollywood celebrities and liberal followers...

If you hold Duggar in contempt but still excuse Woody Allen for marrying his daughter, you are a hypocrite.
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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2015, 08:00:20 AM »
Dear Hollywood celebrities and liberal followers...

If you hold Duggar in contempt but still excuse Woody Allen for marrying his daughter, you are a hypocrite.

They defended Roman Polanski and Michael Jackson for their "transgressions" as well. 
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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2015, 01:06:20 PM »
They defended Roman Polanski and Michael Jackson for their "transgressions" as well.

And, on a grubbier scale, the drunken Bill Pitt.

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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2015, 05:01:28 PM »
I haven't been following this story, but am trying to fit together some of the facts. I should not have to state this, but for the sake of any DU (or similar) onlurkers, I view what Joshua did as wrong; unequivocally; nothing what follows in any way diminishes that fact or excuses what he did. What I just learned from a WashPost column is these facts, in my sort of timeline form:

* The molestation ("inappropriate touching" is the phrase the WashPost columnist, their religion reporter, used) occurred in 2002 and possibly very early 2003;

* Joshua was 14YO at the time;

* In early 2003 Jim Bob (and, I assume, his wife) learned of the molestation;

* In March, 2003 Joshua was sent to some sort of counseling center, apparently as a resident there, for 3 months of counseling;

* When Joshua returned (probably June, 2003) he and Jim Bob reported what had been done to an Arkansas state trooper, a corporal; the trooper lectured Joshua, but did not file any sort of report;

* This became public several days ago, in May 2015 (obviously).

I don't care to minimize or exaggerate the whole 13 years of this situation. I'm just trying, at this point, to understand what "the whole 13 years of this situation". Unknown to me right now:

Are there more known "data points"?

What are AR's criminal and civil statutes of limitation?

What, if any, kinds of "restitution" or "reparations" or I-don't-know-what-to-call-it might Joshua have done with/for the families affected by his molestation?

Did Joshua's and Jim Bob's reporting to the State Trooper satisfy or exceed any legal obligations they may have had? moral obligations (including the 3-month in-residence counseling)?

Were the State Trooper and Jim Bob "buddies" and IF so, how might that skew the answers to the two questions immediately above?

Did receiving Joshua's confession and lecturing Joshua satisfy the State trooper's legal duty? I suspect the answer to this is probably, "No."

At age 14, would Joshua have received from a court any punishment more severe than the 3 months in-residence counseling? Obviously, he did not get twelve years of whatever public disrepute might have resulted from what he did becoming known in 2003.

May, 2015 is some 12 years after the counseling, has Joshua done any further molestation? I suspect this may not be known with anything like certainty or even probability. And the possibility of 15-minutes-of-fame false accusation is real.
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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2015, 03:00:24 PM »
The hypocrisy and idiocy of this story truly boggle the mind.
1. SVPete, great job pointing out all the relevant facts in the case that xfundy (Based on that moniker and his use of the bigoted slur term "xian," I'm guessing he's a Bill Maher acolyte, a rabid atheist so filled with hate against anything remotely Christian in nature that he'll leap at any opportunity to smear and stereotype Christians as a whole to help spread hatred against them, without caring about the facts at all) conveniently forgot to mention.
2. As landofconfusion points out, gotta love how the DUmmies conveniently avoid mentioning what a horrific child- molestation epidemic has been going on in public schools nationwide for years now. It's not made more public knowledge due to two combined liberal forces: The far- left media deliberately giving the stories of child molestation scandals by public school teachers as little coverage as possible if any at all, and the far- left teacher's unions fighting tooth and nail to try and keep known child molesters within their ranks from facing any kind of punishment for their actions and ensuring that the ones who are brought up on charges continue to receive full pay and benefits (Compliments of our tax dollars, of course) for as long as humanly possible.
3. The outrage is all the more hypocritical due to the fact that the DUmmies, like most ultra- liberals, have vehemently opposed any legislation or measures designed around protecting kids from pedophiles (i.e. proposed laws imposing mandatory harsh sentences for convicted child molesters, proposed laws prohibiting convicted child- molesters from living or working near areas where a lot of children are present such as playgrounds, etc.). If it's something meant to protect kids from having their lives ruined by demented perverts (Especially if it was a measure first proposed by a Republican politician), you can bet the DUmmies will openly condemn it. They regularly insist that child molesters should be let off with probation and counseling and not spend a minute inside a prison cell. They've talked about how there's an unfair "Stigma" surrounding pedophiles. I'm surprised we haven't seen words like "Pedophobia" popping up regularly in the DUmp.

btw, "As a public service announcement, William the Pitt and Omaha Steve will most likely not pop up in any of these threads as to not risk self incrimination."
I heard about Pitt's rumored "Teaching incidents," but did Omaha Steve have one? I've heard a lot of stuff about him (Usually concerning his stupidity and incompetence, especially when he made that disastrous bid for City Council a couple years ago), but I'd never heard about that. Can someone bring me up to speed on that?

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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2015, 03:17:35 PM »
I heard about Pitt's rumored "Teaching incidents," but did Omaha Steve have one? I've heard a lot of stuff about him (Usually concerning his stupidity and incompetence, especially when he made that disastrous bid for City Council a couple years ago), but I'd never heard about that. Can someone bring me up to speed on that?

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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2015, 03:47:50 PM »
The hypocrisy and idiocy of this story truly boggle the mind.
1. SVPete, great job pointing out all the relevant facts in the case that xfundy (Based on that moniker and his use of the bigoted slur term "xian," I'm guessing he's a Bill Maher acolyte, a rabid atheist so filled with hate against anything remotely Christian in nature that he'll leap at any opportunity to smear and stereotype Christians as a whole to help spread hatred against them, without caring about the facts at all) conveniently forgot to mention.
2. As landofconfusion points out, gotta love how the DUmmies conveniently avoid mentioning what a horrific child- molestation epidemic has been going on in public schools nationwide for years now. It's not made more public knowledge due to two combined liberal forces: The far- left media deliberately giving the stories of child molestation scandals by public school teachers as little coverage as possible if any at all, and the far- left teacher's unions fighting tooth and nail to try and keep known child molesters within their ranks from facing any kind of punishment for their actions and ensuring that the ones who are brought up on charges continue to receive full pay and benefits (Compliments of our tax dollars, of course) for as long as humanly possible.
3. The outrage is all the more hypocritical due to the fact that the DUmmies, like most ultra- liberals, have vehemently opposed any legislation or measures designed around protecting kids from pedophiles (i.e. proposed laws imposing mandatory harsh sentences for convicted child molesters, proposed laws prohibiting convicted child- molesters from living or working near areas where a lot of children are present such as playgrounds, etc.). If it's something meant to protect kids from having their lives ruined by demented perverts (Especially if it was a measure first proposed by a Republican politician), you can bet the DUmmies will openly condemn it. They regularly insist that child molesters should be let off with probation and counseling and not spend a minute inside a prison cell. They've talked about how there's an unfair "Stigma" surrounding pedophiles. I'm surprised we haven't seen words like "Pedophobia" popping up regularly in the DUmp.

btw, "As a public service announcement, William the Pitt and Omaha Steve will most likely not pop up in any of these threads as to not risk self incrimination."
I heard about Pitt's rumored "Teaching incidents," but did Omaha Steve have one? I've heard a lot of stuff about him (Usually concerning his stupidity and incompetence, especially when he made that disastrous bid for City Council a couple years ago), but I'd never heard about that. Can someone bring me up to speed on that?

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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2015, 10:07:22 PM »
Steve Dawes is fond of high school girls' basketball. 

Unusually fond.

"Trenchcoat and no pants" fond.

I evidently got the two confused, the high school girls basketball is the one I was thinking of.  There was another predator that made the island it's home and was in some sort of distress over it's housing situation and resorted to some begging as I recall.
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Re: One among many Duggar threads
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2015, 11:47:56 AM »
I evidently got the two confused, the high school girls basketball is the one I was thinking of.  There was another predator that made the island it's home and was in some sort of distress over it's housing situation and resorted to some begging as I recall.

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