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Can/Will Republicans steal the 2016 presidential election?
   
 Given their current crop of GOP candidates, I don’t really believe they could get sufficient votes to win the presidency. But could they steal it? IMO, you bet your ass they can.

Remember election night in 2012 when Karl Rove went insane on camera and said that the media had no right to call Obama the winner in Ohio? Why do you think that happened? There is little to no doubt that Rove stole Ohio in 2004 (rigged voting machines, etc.) to clinch George W’s second term. And Rove couldn’t believe that he didn’t have it stolen for Romney in 2012.

In the coming presidential elections, not only are all the electronic voting machines (and the software) the property of Republican oriented corporations, but there is also the issue of voter suppression.

Since the Supreme Court gutted the voting rights act, every Republican ruled state has put some kind of voter ID piece of crap on the books. Here in Florida, a driver’s license is all that’s needed to vote. But to get that driver’s license, you need a passport or birth certificate, and 3 or 4 other documents. And for divorced women, they need proof of their divorce and documents that prove their maiden name. If you are in the upper middle class, you may have access to all needed documentation. But if you’re struggling to get by, it’s very unlikely that you have, or can get, everything needed. And that’s just one method of how Republicans suppress the vote here in FL.

They also have killed much early voting, limited the number of voting places in Democratic districts, and provided more than a sufficient amount of polling places in Republican districts. They want to make sure that no Dem gets to vote without waiting 10 to 12 hours.

So are they doing this kind of stuff in enough states to steal the presidency in 2016? I believe they are. The only thing that can stop them is an overwhelming Democratic turnout which would make a theft too obvious.

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2. How do you rig over 60,000 voting precincts, impossible.

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Cyrano (8,629 posts)

3. You don't need to rig precincts
 
You need to "own" the voting machines. And you need to control the state legislature and pass voter ID laws. These two things make "rigging districts" meaningless.

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8. Exactly. What we KNOW is legal voters WILL Be stopped from voting like in 2000/04
 
What we KNOW is Karl Rove was SURE those results were wrong, how was he SURE?

Only ONE way, the fix was in and somehow it didnt happen.

Controlling the machines, who counts the votes, etc.

What is CERTAIN is there is NO Way any con can win without stealing, the numbers insist on that fact.

follow my twitter account and report voter obstruction

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4. An honest Republican bumper sticker would read "Not a billionaire? Then piss off". So lying and
 
cheating is the only way they can win.

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10. I love it, can we make those for ourselves?

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GoneFishin (2,249 posts)

16. You are right. We could use a Republican-like logo with the proper colors, etc..

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randys1 (6,410 posts)

17. Could make a ton selling them too LOL

We need a website

Give half the proceedings to Feingold and other liberals?

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5. You know damn well they will do their damnest to

steal the 2016 election. With the tens of millions of votes processed via the hack miester voting machines,you know damn well the fix is in.

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12. UNREC

I've said this before, even though I know you won't believe me...there is no reason to believe the Ohio voting machines were rigged. This is based on:

1) the fact that these supposed rigged machines let us win in Ohio in 2006, 2008 and 2012. 50% of the elections. That included low margin Democratic wins in Republican districts (a counter excuse I hear is "you need a small enough vote difference for rigging to take place)

2) Ohio Republicans keep trying to steal elections the old fashioned way: voter purges, reduced early voting periods, Voter ID requirements and long lines. There would be no point in drawing attention to themselves if they had a secret option in their back pocket.

3) once again, NO OHIO CANDIDATE, ELECTION OFFICIAL, PARTY LEADER, OR CAMPAIGN MANAGER says it happened. And I've asked.

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18. Bullshit. I was not in Ohio, but I was working the Kerry campaign in Florida and people were coming
 
out of the voting booths describing the now common story about the machine switching their vote from Dem to Republican. They were leery of the machines so they used the review screen to check their vote before finalizing. One person told me it took 3 tries before the machine recorded his Dem vote as Dem and did not switch it to Republican.

The manager of the local Dem campaign office I worked out of angrily trashed anyone who suggested such a possibility despite the fact we were hearing numerous accounts of it ourselves.

So I don't give a rat's ass whether the established Democratic machine acknowledges it or not. I know it is happening. The mere fact that the software is not open for public examination is proof enough that they are hiding something. The fact that every ATM machine and grocery store cash register can print a receipt, but the machines that determine who will run our country cannot is bullshit.

It's ****ed up.

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27. This is the internets and some people must make up lies in order to feel like they
 
are more apart of a functioning society then they really are. There are stories and articles all over the place about vote tampering and machine rigging, yet if people want to believe a username instead of real reporters...who am I to say otherwise?

It is ALWAYS the same 5 or 6 people (on DU) crying the same old worn out lie over and over...when the rest of the world reads news articles and knows to be wary of usernames on the internet and their sworn testimony.

Rove stole 2000 and 2004 and it is sad that Dems will cover for him...but such is the internets, where anyone can be anything they declare to be.

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Damn, they have the perfect candidate that everyone loves, in Hillary, and they still are worried about losing.  :rofl:

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27. This is the internets and some people must make up lies in order to feel like they
 
are more apart of a functioning society then they really are. There are stories and articles all over the place about vote tampering and machine rigging, yet if people want to believe a username instead of real reporters...who am I to say otherwise?

It is ALWAYS the same 5 or 6 people (on DU) crying the same old worn out lie over and over...when the rest of the world reads news articles and knows to be wary of usernames on the internet and their sworn testimony.

Rove stole 2000 and 2004 and it is sad that Dems will cover for him...but such is the internets, where anyone can be anything they declare to be.

I'm going for astronaut training in the morning, just won the lottery and bought NASA for cheap! Honest!

Rex is either a very good mole or simply one of the most insane and stupid DUmbasses there is.

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Maybe half of the candidates could destroy Hillary in a general election.  They all could make mincemeat of Crazy Uncle Bernie or Fauxcohontas.

Yep, the DUmmies again demonstrate what crazy alternate universe they inhabit.
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Let's talk about the democrat field of candidates.... oh... wait. They don't have a field. Just Hillary.
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I know it's too bizarre a thought for C'no to entertain it, but every one of those R candidates believe they can be elected POTUS by the votes of real American people, without the help of any currently residing in a cemetery.
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I know it's too bizarre a thought for C'no to entertain it, but every one of those R candidates believe they can be elected POTUS by the votes of real American people, without the help of any currently residing in a cemetery.

Or foreign imports.
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It's really :popcorn:'ing, :lmao:'ing, and :banghead:'ing to see/hear some of the crazy-conspiracy silliness to which some Libs and Progs resort to avoid acknowledging reality when voters have rejected their ideas and people.
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The libs response to all of their democrat scandals is "but they did it too".  So  :bird: I hope they pull out all the tricks you democrats use during election.






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Damn, they have the perfect candidate that everyone loves, in Hillary, and they still are worried about losing.  :rofl:

Of course they are. Unfortunately for them, Clinton is everything they have been railing against since W's presidency. Wealthy, white, war authorizing, dynastic.. she is also old, one of their primary complaints against McCain. So, now the pragmatic left is fighting the even more left idealists who are actively supporting a Socialist who is calling himself a Democrat simply for the votes. The Republican candidates are an entirely different breed - and that concerns them. Men, women, multiple races, and mostly younger. None of them had anything to do with Iraq. Many of them are ridiculously educated, blowing the "stupid morans" meme out of the water. Rand Paul is really popular amongst the hipster croud like Ron was. Frankly, the best they have to hope for is that Jeb is the nominee.

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The DU OP'er's un-reasoning is question-begging: he assumes Rs look at the current and likely R candidates as disdainfully as he does.

In the real world, I think the D Party leaders and their MSM shills are worried. A lot of their tried, true, and patented strategies are trumped by the current R field.

In 1996 and 2000 all the Ds and MSM had to do was keep Alan Keyes marginalized. In 2012 all they had to do was attack Herman Cain until he dropped out. Easily done without being too obvious.

With Carson, Cruz, Rubio, and Fiorina, that's four strategies at risk, and trying to "take out" all four would put their whole interest-groups strategy at risk. Compounding that are two D internecine fights: populism vs. cronyism; Enviros vs. the unions whose jobs are getting killed.

I think Jeb is the Ds' and MSM's preferred candidate, with the social mo-o-o-o-oderate Fiorina being their dark-horse choice. Either would alienate a large part of the R base, forcing yet another can-I-bite-my-tongue-hard-enough-to-vote-for-________ choice on many Rs. Personally, I'm sick of voting against the D candidate; I want an R candidate I can vote for!
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I find this to be extremely sad: DUmmies, DUllards, Dumocrats all agree that the (any) election will be stolen by the Republicans. 

Then, when the Republicans actually win, the DU groups (listed above) don't realize that they are so DUmb that even believing the election would be stolen, they could not, or did not, prevent it.
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One of the questions to ask, is, do the republicans really want to win?
We can learn from the past.

McCain ran an apologetic campaign.  He even apologized & criticized anyone using Obama's middle name.  A retired military vet in the audience:  "We want you to fight."  But nothing moved him. He behaved as if he didn't want to win.  He also chose (my opinion) the wrong VP candidate, inexperienced, Palin did fire up the crowds but also made some mistakes. 
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/11/mccain-to-crowd-dont-be-scared-of-obama-presidency/

Romney ran his campaign sleep-walking.  After he got bruised up by the other rinos in debates, after he cinched the nomination he kind of disappeared.  Then his choice of V.P candidate turned out to be as liberal as he was.  Okay, many, myself included, thought he'd be better than another 4 years of the King.  At the first debate he was spot on; & then he went to sleep, in a way.  It was so obvious he wasn't trying.  & the rest was history.
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As far as the list mentioned at risk:  Carson, Rubio, Cruz & Fiorina, the only one I  wouldn't vote for is Rubio, & definitely not Bush, Huckabee, Santorum, Christie, Graham or Trump....the last one obviously, if he gets in, is for showmanship.

SVPete:  "I'm sick of voting against the D candidate; I want an R candidate I can vote for!"  I feel your pain!!!  Okay, I shouldn't have quoted a Clinton, but you get my drift. When Rove & Priebus shove another rino at us; count me out.

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Hitlery is imploding from self destruction.

She's got a lot behind her but they are very afraid her best days are behind her.
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Rex is either a very good mole or simply one of the most insane and stupid DUmbasses there is.

I vote stupid and insane.

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Hitlery is imploding from self destruction.

She's got a lot behind her but they are very afraid her best days are behind her.

The Chill forces a dilemma on the MSM. On one hand, they are horrified at the thought of an R Presidency, especially some one more conservative than Jeb or Fiorina. On the other hand, the MSM have been rewarded for their shillery by BHO by kicking them as if they were dogs and he an a-hole who enjoyed that sort of thing ... and the MSM know The Chill is even more hypersensitive and vindictive than BHO.

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Fiorina talks good talk when it comes to the economy. I'm haunted by the fact that Ahhhh-nold did too, and turned out to be the worst governor California has ever had (though Jerry Brown may yet take back that dishonor). My take on Fiorina:

* Talks good talk on economic stuff, but I wonder whether its principled or pragmatic; she has a business background, but was a failed CEO at HP (the "SV" of "SVPete" refers to where I live, Silicon Valley);

* Fiorina is a "Social Moderate", which is usually a euphemism for "Liberal"; if that's what you want (some Rs and conservatives do) that's a reason to like Fiorina; if she were the only person on CA's Primary ballot still alive and in the race I'd vote for Pat Paulsen (who is dead and thus would have less potential for harm), and this is my most significant reason;

* Beyond having, as a business executive, dealt some with a few foreign governments for business purposes Fiorina seems a foreign policy blank slate; I'm worried that she will therefore take the advice of the "professionals" in Foggy Bottom, and that's not been a good thing in my lifetime (probably not since FDR's Administration);

* Fiorina's 2010 Senate "campaign" against Babs Bouncer wasn't even energetic enough to be said to lack energy; she seemed to run as much against social conservatives as against Babs Bouncer.
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Not from the DUmp - but might as well be..

The WaPo (yeah, I know..) has decided that there are too many Rethugs running, which will result in tragedy for the party.  :rofl: - So, expect this line of thinking soon from a DUmp near you.  - Link only.. no excerpt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republican-leaders-worry-their-deep-bench-of-candidates-may-cause-trouble/2015/05/16/81683062-fb1a-11e4-9ef4-1bb7ce3b3fb7_story.html

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The WaPo (yeah, I know..) has decided that there are too many Rethugs running, which will result in tragedy for the party.  :rofl:

Translation: "Holy shades-of-Reagan, Batman! A conservative might get the R nomination!!!"
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I already have my Official Karl Rove Election Stealing Kit which includes:

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The other thing that strikes me is that the election is 17 months away and the prims are already making excuses for why they lost. Not that it is anything to bank on but still.
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The other thing that strikes me is that the election is 17 months away and the prims are already making excuses for why they lost. Not that it is anything to bank on but still.

Even the anti-Hillary DUmmies know that she is going to be the Dim candidate, and they don't like it. They think she will lose.

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Looks like they are keeping slow joe in the wings to fill in when hillery stumbles...

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