BREAKING: Freddy Gray Had Spine Surgery Just One Week Before Arrest

[mrclose]

Well, well, well ... 

Just reporting the news .. not saying it's true.
(I am practicing for a future MSNBC opening)


CONFIRMED: Court records show Freddie Gray was receiving a structured settlement from Allstate Insurance and attempted to convert it into one lump sum in early March

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EXCLUSIVE: The Fourth Estate has learned that Freddy Gray’s life-ending injuries to his spine may have possibly been the result of spinal and neck surgery that he allegedly received a week before he was arrested, not from rough excessively rough treatment or abuse from police.

The Fourth Estate has contacted sources who allege that Freddy Gray received spinal and neck surgery a week before we was arrested, and was allegedly receiving a large structured settlement from Allstate Insurance. The surgery is allegedly related to a car accident in which Gray was involved.

Sources allege that Gray also attempted to refinance his structured settlement into one lump sum payment through Peachtree Funding.

If this is true, then it is possible that Gray’s spinal injury resulting from his encounter with the Baltimore Police was not the result of rough-handling or abuse, but rather a freak accident that occurred when Gray should have been at home resting, not selling drugs.

(Excerpt) Read more at thefourthestate.co ...

http://thefourthestate.co/2015/04/breaking-freddy-gray-had-spine-surgery-just-one-week-before-arrest/

[obumazombie]

Good "get" mrclose.

Another lib/prog false narrative.

[DLR Pyro]

I question the claim that he had neck/spinal surgery a week before he was arrested.

My wife had surgery to fuse 3 vertebrae in her neck 7 weeks ago and is just now getting back to normal mobility. A week after surgery she was pretty much confined to the house with very limited mobility.

[Chris_]

Not buying it.

[Chris_]

In 2008, a lead-paint lawsuit was filed on behalf of Gray and two of his sisters against the owners of the home in which they grew up.

Such lawsuits are so common in Gray’s neighborhood that the resulting settlement payments — which Gray lived off — are known as “lead checks.”

Washington Post

[Chris_]

I question the claim that he had neck/spinal surgery a week before he was arrested.

My wife had surgery to fuse 3 vertebrae in her neck 7 weeks ago and is just now getting back to normal mobility. A week after surgery she was pretty much confined to the house with very limited mobility.

I remember my dad having surgery for a slipped disc when I was in high school.  He was home for at least two weeks, probably more. 

He traveled for a living, so having him home for any length of time outside of family vacations was out of the ordinary.

[obumazombie]

I remember my dad having surgery for a slipped disc when I was in high school.  He was home for at least two weeks, probably more. 

He traveled for a living, so having him home for any length of time outside of family vacations was out of the ordinary.

Neck and back spine laser surgery procedures are now outpatient.

[miskie]

I'm going to wait on this before committing to it as completely true. The rumor now is that the main injury happened in the end of December, and that he might have had additional corrective surgeries afterward including one a week and a half back.

Frankly, I dont understand why he wasn't still in a brace of some sort. My dad broke his spine and continued to be in a brace for years afterward. - at least a decade..

If it is true, it explains everything. Idiot broke his neck again, trying to outrun the cops. The weight of his now unsupported head crushed his larynx, and his now partially severed spinal cord resulted in partial paralysis - which is why he was dragging one leg behind him as he was put into the cruiser.

I've also noticed a couple of other things.. Why hasn't their been any information on those racist cops ? about a nanosecond after the Trayvon incident, the web was full of pictures of the 'white Hispanic' - The whole world also instantly knew what Officer Wilson looked like in the Brown case..

But NOTHING out of Baltimore that I'm aware of..

I've also noticed a whole lot of steering away from Freddie, where unofficial, self-appointed spokespeople are claiming this has nothing to do with him.. Also odd.

[SVPete]

I guess this has to be regarded, for now, as rumor-grade and speculative. But it is plausible. The thing that's been bugging me is that I've heard of no claimed violence on the part of any police officer that would account for a spinal chord injury. IF his spinal chord was less than stable, then rolling around unsecured in the back of a police vehicle might have been sufficient to cause serious damage.

IF it is found Gray's death was indeed due to previous spinal chord injury plus recent surgery plus a tumbling about that would not have caused harm to a fully healthy person, the loudmouths will condemn the truth as a white-wash. As they did in Ferguson. As they did with the Zimmerman verdict.

The truth no longer matters, and if it contradicts the race-baiters' narrative then the truth is racist.

[thundley4]

I guess this has to be regarded, for now, as rumor-grade and speculative. But it is plausible. The thing that's been bugging me is that I've heard of no claimed violence on the part of any police officer that would account for a spinal chord injury. IF his spinal chord was less than stable, then rolling around unsecured in the back of a police vehicle might have been sufficient to cause serious damage.

IF it is found Gray's death was indeed due to previous spinal chord injury plus recent surgery plus a tumbling about that would not have caused harm to a fully healthy person, the loudmouths will condemn the truth as a white-wash. As they did in Ferguson. As they did with the Zimmerman verdict.

The truth no longer matters, and if it contradicts the race-baiters' narrative then the truth is racist.

There is some video available.  I can't tell if he is passively resisting arrest or if he can't move his feet and legs.

[youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2TBdA_xjp8[/youtube]


ETA:
Raw video of the arrest.
[youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkFhRr48RhI&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

[longview]

Neck and back spine laser surgery procedures are now outpatient.

True.  As long as the person wakes up well and is medically stable. 

They are sent home and told, among other things, to not bend, twist, of lift (more than "X" pounds).  Nurses will say "He's a BLT." (no bending, lifting...). 

I guess they should make it BLT-R and add no running from the police!

[obumazombie]

True.  As long as the person wakes up well and is medically stable. 

They are sent home and told, among other things, to not bend, twist, of lift (more than "X" pounds).  Nurses will say "He's a BLT." (no bending, lifting...). 

I guess they should make it BLT-R and add no running from the police!

With saggy pants.

[txradioguy]

I remember my dad having surgery for a slipped disc when I was in high school.  He was home for at least two weeks, probably more. 

He traveled for a living, so having him home for any length of time outside of family vacations was out of the ordinary.

Well if he's slinging dope in that neighborhood...very likely he wasn't feeling the pain of that neck surgery if he was high as a kite.

[miskie]

Ahh, that explains why we have seen no video - not because of the cops race, but because it shows they treated this kid appropriately.

[SVPete]

Ahh, that explains why we have seen no video - not because of the cops race, but because it shows they treated this kid appropriately.

I could be wrong, but it looked to me like Gray was moving his legs to resist the police officers in the second or so just before that woman started berating the officers. Then he went limp as he was being dragged to the police van. Then just a second before being put in the van he again moved his legs - whether to resist or assist, I can't tell.

IOW, the brief video of the arrest twice shows Gray using his legs, and deciding to go limp between the two leg usages. At least that's how it looked to me.

There were two things the video did not show:

* The video did not show the police officers beating Gray;

* The video did not show the police officers handling Gray roughly when he forced them to drag him to arrest him.

Two "dogs that didn't bark".

[Gina]

Neck and back spine laser surgery procedures are now outpatient.

Yes, they are.  The nerve blocks I get are in a hospital and they put me under.  I usually go back to work after.  We don't know If he had a spine surgery or some type of simple laproscopy procedure. 

When this happened I was just trying to figure out what could sever a spine, it's pretty dang strong.  I wondered to myself if he had some medical history or congenital defect. 

Whatever comes of it if it is true they still will not accept it.

[Gina]

I could be wrong, but it looked to me like Gray was moving his legs to resist the police officers in the second or so just before that woman started berating the officers. Then he went limp as he was being dragged to the police van. Then just a second before being put in the van he again moved his legs - whether to resist or assist, I can't tell.

IOW, the brief video of the arrest twice shows Gray using his legs, and deciding to go limp between the two leg usages. At least that's how it looked to me.

There were two things the video did not show:

* The video did not show the police officers beating Gray;

* The video did not show the police officers handling Gray roughly when he forced them to drag him to arrest him.

Two "dogs that didn't bark".

When the woman videoing was screaming "you are breaking his leg" it was all bent funky. I can see when they got him at the initial contact there could be the beginning severing of the spine.  Then with all his resisting he kept it tearing.  I didn't see the cops being excessive with their physical contact.

If it is true, it explains everything. Idiot broke his neck again, trying to outrun the cops. The weight of his now unsupported head crushed his larynx, and his now partially severed spinal cord resulted in partial paralysis - which is why he was dragging one leg behind him as he was put into the cruiser.

That could be why he was saying he couldn't breathe.

[mrclose]

I guess this has to be regarded, for now, as rumor-grade and speculative. But it is plausible.

A few minutes of digging around makes clear that the Allstate settlement had NOTHING to do with any vehicle accident or spinal injury.

A quick search of the Maryland court records shows that Freddie Gray's twin sister, Fredericka Gray (creative naming, right?) also had a structured settlement with Allstate that Peachtree was trying to purchase.

Some further digging reveals news articles that refer to a lawsuit brought by Freddie and Fredericka Gray against the owner of a building where they lived growing up, alleging that they were harmed by lead paint in the building.

Nowhere is any of this to do with an auto accident.

(I am so glad that I was able to put a "Plausible Deniability" in my first post before ya'll could read it!) 

[Ptarmigan]

Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?tid=hpModule_99d5f542-86a2-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394

BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator, offers the first glimpse of what might have happened inside the van. It is not clear whether any additional evidence backs up the prisoner’s version, which is just one piece of a much larger probe.

I wonder if Freddie Gray was trying to commit suicide or high on drugs.

[thundley4]

Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?tid=hpModule_99d5f542-86a2-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394

I wonder if Freddie Gray was trying to commit suicide or high on drugs.

At this point it won't matter. Toxicology reports could show an entire pharmacy in his system and the autopsy could show self inflicted wounds and it would be called a cover-up.

[obumazombie]

At this point it won't matter. Toxicology reports could show an entire pharmacy in his system and the autopsy could show self inflicted wounds and it would be called a cover-up.

It was an inside job, just like...well you know.

[DLR Pyro]

Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/prisoner-in-van-said-freddie-gray-was-banging-against-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7da10-eec6-11e4-8666-a1d756d0218e_story.html?tid=hpModule_99d5f542-86a2-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394

I wonder if Freddie Gray was trying to commit suicide or high on drugs.

I've seen this type of behavior on numerous episodes of COPS.  The perp is combative with the Police, handcuffed and placed in the back of the car.  Then the Officers hear a thumping noise and see the perp bashing his/her head repeatedly against the window of the Police car in a fit of rage.  Stupid is as stupid does.

[mrclose]

BALTIMORE, Md. (WJLA) -- An investigation into the death of Baltimore resident Freddie Gray has found no evidence that his fatal injuries were caused during the videotaped arrest and interaction with police officers, according to multiple law enforcement sources.

The sources spoke to ABC7 News after being briefed on the findings of a police report turned over to prosecutors on Thursday.

Sources said the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/04/breaking-news-no-evidence-found-that-freddie-gray-s-death-was-result-of-police-who-arrested-him-prob.html

[thundley4]

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2015/04/breaking-news-no-evidence-found-that-freddie-gray-s-death-was-result-of-police-who-arrested-him-prob.html

For some time they have been saying that he was improperly secured in the back of the van.

[SVPete]

Details surrounding exactly what caused Gray to slam into the back of the van was unclear. The officer driving the van has yet to give a statement to authorities. It’s also unclear whether Gray’s head injury was voluntary or was a result of some other action.

IF this report is correct, there're some really big gaps here. I can understand bruises, scrapes, cuts, etc. from rolling around in the back of a van that is going through traffic. But to slam one's head into the back hard enough to cause spinal chord injury? That would take very quick, sudden, acceleration, and possibly a simultaneous fall from standing up (while doing ???) as well. Maybe the report fills in that big gap, but ...

Do I rightly assume the accusations of a whitewash have begun (or were much amplified) with this report of the supposed contents of the investigation report?