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jeff47 (15,953 posts) http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10026501865Why is everyone referring to Clinton by her first name?When discussing male politicians, we generally use their last name. It's Rubio, not Marco. It's Cruz, not Ted. It's Christie, not Chris. It's Warren, not Elizabeth. Generally, this only breaks down when there is an especially high level of derision for the person. Like W instead of Bush. It's generally considered respectful to use a politician's last name. So why are we all using Clinton's first name? Bill Clinton's not in the press, so it's really not confusing. Plus first names can be added as necessary, like I just did. Sure, Clinton's referring to her campaign using her first name because she's trying to seem more friendly and approachable. But we don't have to follow suit. ETA: Perhaps a better phrasing of this is "Why do we give Bill Clinton exclusive use of their last name?"
jeff47 (15,953 posts) 5. And I addressed those two points above. (nt)
arely staircase (11,188 posts) 96. not really. More like you dismissed the obvious.
jeff47 (15,953 posts) 9. We're generally deriding Jeb. Not praising him. (nt)
Erich Bloodaxe BSN (7,328 posts) 23. You 'covered' it, but people simply disagree with you, and think you're wrong. nt
jeff47 (15,953 posts) 31. Then such a person could post why occasionally using "Bill" is so hard.There's only one Clinton in the news recently. Not that hard to add "Bill" in the relatively rare cases when he shows up.
PeaceNikki (23,219 posts) 28. I don't get it. Does OP want us to stop because it helps make her feel approachable or because it's disrespectful or...?
jeff47 (15,953 posts) 38. IMO if we should treat her like we treat every other politician. And if we call virtually every other politician by their last name. Even when Obama used Barack during his campaign.
former9thward (14,190 posts) 13. Why does her campaign use it???
jeff47 (15,953 posts) 43. No, I want to show her the respect I'd show a male politician. (nt)
KittyWampus (48,331 posts) 146. The OP is almost certainly trying to do a "reverse sexism" play here
jeff47 (15,953 posts) 22. Apparently "Pantsuit" means massive misogyny now. Seems reasonable to ask why we strip her of her last name when we generally don't do that to politicians unless we particularly dislike them.
PeaceNikki (23,219 posts) 33. Oh, did you get a hide and started this to be petulant?
Agschmid (12,578 posts) 78. Yup.This whole OP is ridiculous...
forthemiddle (280 posts) 51. Honest question.Is everything going to have a sexism connotation? I am a woman, and a feminist, yet for a variety of reasons (mainly no more Clintons no more Bushs) I am not a Hillary Supporter. When I point out that I think her age will be a detriment, will that be sexist? What about if I point out that I thought McCain, Thompson, and dole, and Reagan for that mater were too old?
yuiyoshida (7,582 posts) 62. Hi...I'm Yui! or you can call me Yoshida-san.
jeff47 (15,953 posts) 75. Yeah, it's so totally sexist to refer to her in the same way we almost always refer to male politicians. It's far less sexist to strip her of her last name and exclusively use "Clinton" to refer to Bill Clinton.
jeff47 (15,953 posts) 113. Well after we entered the third dozen of posts complaining about people complaining about her clothing, hair and other trivialities, it seemed like we weren't going to get to any important issues. I forget, is this hour the time for the "Swear Loyalty Oath" post, or the "You Don't Have a Declared Candidate So Shut Up" post? I forget which one is on the even hours, and which one is on the odd. We won't be getting back to important issues for about a year and a half.
William769 (43,989 posts) 114. I have met & talked with Hillary on a couple of occasions.The first time she was First Lady and I addressed her as such. The second time was at a small private dinner when she was a senator and I addressed her as Senator Clinton & she surprised me & said please call me Hillary which I did. My third engagement with Hillary was at a fundraiser at which time I referred to her as Hillary and we had a great conversation. That is why I call her Hillary and I suppose why most people do because that's what she prefers. Is this covered in your OP?
TDale313 (2,949 posts) 123. So, are you implying it's somehow sexist To refer to Hillary Clinton the way she refers to herself and the way her campaign refers to her? That's quite a stretch. People have given you the reasons why they feel it's not that unusual- another president Clinton, it's how the campaign refers to her. You don't like that this more familiar term is being used, so you're dismissing those. I'd also say there aren't a lot of Hillary public figures atm, so when one says Hillary it's perfectly clear who they're talking about (same with Jeb. If Michelle Obama ever ran that might not be the case) This op seems to be kind of belittling actual sexism that is unfortunately going to be a factor in this campaign to take a swipe at Hillary.
TDale313 (2,949 posts) 123. So, are you implying it's somehow sexist To refer to Hillary Clinton the way she refers to herself and the way her campaign refers to her?
If they really want me to stop saying these things about Hillary, they shouldn't tell me that it bugs her! But we all know how overly sensitive her supporters are about her image. And now, it's her first name that's got their thongs in a knot.According to this, some of Hillary's supporters are getting all huffy because *cue the nasally naggy voice*"You wouldn't call a man in political office by his first name, would you?"Maybe. People called George W. Bush by his middle initial (and a lot worse besides). Totally depends on the man.But as long as you're going to mention it, you could always just call her "Clinton" and end up with associated memories of Bill denying ever have "sex with that woman." Or whatever other distasteful things that the Clintons are known for. Heaven knows there are plenty.So, don't call her "Hillary." Got it (going to ignore it). Can I point out that she's old and menopausal? 'Cause that's been done.
Interesting . . . The British media doing the job that the US media won't do . . .http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3038621/More-2-MILLION-Hillary-Clinton-s-Twitter-followers-fake-never-tweet.html
Every time I hear the Hildebeast's name, it reminds me of another Clinton lie.She used to tell people her name came from her parents' admiration for Sir Edmund Hillary's historic triumph on Mount Everest.Except...she was born six years earlier.
First 'Rodham,' now 'Clinton' missing from Hillary's pitchFirst the middle name, "Rodham," disappeared, and now the last name, "Clinton," is MIA in Hillary for America's latest email to donors.Campaign boss Robby Mook's offer to supporters to donate just $5 to become a "founding donor" never refers to his candidate "Hillary Clinton." It's just Hillary."Be a Founding Donor of Hillary 2016," it headlines. "Please send a personal check made payable to 'Hillary for America,'" it adds.
Washington ExaminerThat didn't last long.
That is too often the case these days.
Can we call her a murderous, hypocritical, lying, cunning, lying, rape apologizing, rape enabling, self centered, ****? Because that is a pretty apt description.
