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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2015, 07:30:40 PM »
Don't forget the cop also planted the taser by the body after he handcuffed the dying suspect.

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The report I saw said that it looked like the cop might have dropped something by the perp.
I have not seen that report updated to "planted the taser", but maybe I missed something.
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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2015, 09:15:19 PM »
The report I saw said that it looked like the cop might have dropped something by the perp.
I have not seen that report updated to "planted the taser", but maybe I missed something.

He went back to where the confrontation took place, picked something up and carried it to the body and dropped it on the ground.

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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2015, 09:55:17 PM »
Don't forget the cop also planted the taser by the body after he handcuffed the dying suspect.

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Handcuffing the suspect after a shooting is standard procedure.

Moving evidence, particularly placing a weapon by the suspect's body, is not.
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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2015, 11:10:53 PM »
Looks bad.
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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2015, 11:12:27 PM »
Looks bad.
The PD fired the guy and he's had to hire his own lawyer.  At this point, the only unknown is what charge he will be convicted of.
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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2015, 11:26:58 PM »
This looks more like the full original video.

[youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?t=113&v=fg3GrfR2wiQ[/youtube]

I understand that this is a cellphone being used and the person is moving to get a better vantage point, but sheesh it's crappy quality.

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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2015, 08:48:01 AM »
Now the other cops participation is coming into question. The black officer that showed up right away was there when he dropped that taser.  Also was there and no cpr was performed yet the report said they did it.






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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2015, 08:57:17 AM »
It was a traffic stop, and the guy had a couple of warrants for failing to pay child support.  That is the most the cop would have known at the time.

Was the cop afraid he might make more babies and not support them?

The op-ed I cited upthread made the point that the perp had had priors for violent behavior. That op-ed may be a complete load of BS, but it makes a pretty good argument why the charge of murder - presumably in the 2nd degree - won't stick. Most likely the cop will be charged and convicted of voluntary manslaughter, which is almost as bad, but the murder rap is pure politics.
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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2015, 12:13:26 PM »
Handcuffing the suspect after a shooting is standard procedure.

Moving evidence, particularly placing a weapon by the suspect's body, is not.

Thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't aware that was SOP.

The protesters are out for blood. They said they will stick around until he is CONVICTED. So, if by some chance a jury of 12 finds him not guilty, justice will not have been served? I thought all they were asking in the Michael Brown case was a day in court. This proves to me they want MORE than just a day in court...they will only accept the outcome THEY want. (The Zimmerman case was the same way).

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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2015, 01:34:28 PM »
Thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't aware that was SOP.

The protesters are out for blood. They said they will stick around until he is CONVICTED. So, if by some chance a jury of 12 finds him not guilty, justice will not have been served? I thought all they were asking in the Michael Brown case was a day in court. This proves to me they want MORE than just a day in court...they will only accept the outcome THEY want. (The Zimmerman case was the same way).

It isn't about justice, they want revenge and only blood will satisfy them.

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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2015, 03:16:21 PM »
Thank you for pointing that out. I wasn't aware that was SOP.

The protesters are out for blood. They said they will stick around until he is CONVICTED. So, if by some chance a jury of 12 finds him not guilty, justice will not have been served? I thought all they were asking in the Michael Brown case was a day in court. This proves to me they want MORE than just a day in court...they will only accept the outcome THEY want. (The Zimmerman case was the same way).

this came out even before his body was room temperature.  I just don't see how people even think about this within hours from a sudden murder/death.

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The family's lawyer Chris Stewart said they will be 'seeking recovery to the full extent of the law.'

'We can see how disgraceful the incident this is. His civil rights were directly violated and we're going to be filing a major civil law$uit against all the responsible parties from this tragedy.

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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2015, 03:30:56 PM »
this came out even before his body was room temperature.  I just don't see how people even think about this within hours from a sudden murder/death.

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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2015, 04:09:13 PM »
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The family's lawyer Chris Stewart said they will be 'seeking recovery to the full extent of the law.'

'We can see how disgraceful the incident this is. His civil rights were directly violated and we're going to be filing a major civil law$uit against all the responsible parties from this tragedy.

The cop may or not be guilty of violating his civil rights since murder isn't always that violation in and of itself.

That being said, if/when the racist DOJ gets involved, then i'm sure that they will find that racism is rampant throughout the police department and the city. That will open up the deep pockets that the family really wants to sue.

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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #38 on: April 09, 2015, 06:51:11 PM »
The op-ed I cited upthread made the point that the perp had had priors for violent behavior. That op-ed may be a complete load of BS, but it makes a pretty good argument why the charge of murder - presumably in the 2nd degree - won't stick. Most likely the cop will be charged and convicted of voluntary manslaughter, which is almost as bad, but the murder rap is pure politics.

I wouldn't bet on that.  The shoot was completely contrary to everything the cops would have been taught in training, as well as whatever LE training he might have gotten while with the Coasties.  Unless the jury just gives him a huge undeserved break, like the first Rodney King jury did, it's a pretty clear 2nd degree murder case.  The defense may give up on arguing for innocence, and argue for manslaughter, but given all the weight of training to the contrary, the taser drop, and lying about the CPR, there's a pretty good chance the jury won't be having it.
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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2015, 07:15:50 PM »
I wouldn't bet on that.  The shoot was completely contrary to everything the cops would have been taught in training, as well as whatever LE training he might have gotten while with the Coasties.  Unless the jury just gives him a huge undeserved break, like the first Rodney King jury did, it's a pretty clear 2nd degree murder case.  The defense may give up on arguing for innocence, and argue for manslaughter, but given all the weight of training to the contrary, the taser drop, and lying about the CPR, there's a pretty good chance the jury won't be having it.

Would an attorney argue for a change of venue or would it be a waste of time?

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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2015, 10:25:55 AM »
I wouldn't bet on that.  The shoot was completely contrary to everything the cops would have been taught in training, as well as whatever LE training he might have gotten while with the Coasties.  Unless the jury just gives him a huge undeserved break, like the first Rodney King jury did, it's a pretty clear 2nd degree murder case.  The defense may give up on arguing for innocence, and argue for manslaughter, but given all the weight of training to the contrary, the taser drop, and lying about the CPR, there's a pretty good chance the jury won't be having it.

No argument from me about the departure from training and the taser drop -- that's tampering with evidence and all cops are routinely and explicitly trained, I would think, not to do that kind of thing.

Devil's in the details, I guess, and those all-important mitigating circumstances. Only question is whether the defense attorneys do well in presenting those and, of course, whether the jury buys them or not.

In any event, we'll have no Wilson-like case here.
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Re: South Carolina Cop charged with murder
« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2015, 01:20:49 PM »
In any event, we'll have no Wilson-like case here.

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