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William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« on: April 04, 2015, 12:48:04 PM »
I bought this book some time ago, both in hard back and for my iPad, and I slowly have been slogging through it. It reads like an introductory but highly technical textbook with a bit of a conversational style. And 900 pages.

After an intro chapter and a review of scientific concepts, the book launches into ever deeper scientific subject: light, energy, geochronology. I've made it to chapter 10: The Climate System. Great stuff so far, and highly recommended.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2015, 01:09:53 PM »
What about it appeals to you so much?
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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2015, 01:39:52 PM »
What about it appeals to you so much?

I think he's trying to slide us into a discussion on glowball cooling warming climate diversity.  Establishing his credentials as a great scientific mind and such.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2015, 01:59:38 PM »
I think he's trying to slide us into a discussion on glowball cooling warming climate diversity.  Establishing his credentials as a great scientific mind and such.

Frank has touted you as being the most intelligent and best educated person on this board. Here is your chance to engage in a conversation on a scientific subject on an intellectual plane.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2015, 02:16:40 PM »
Frank has touted you as being the most intelligent and best educated person on this board. Here is your chance to engage in a conversation on a scientific subject on an intellectual plane.

Kool!!!  But, I'm pretty sure the coach has never touted me as being much of anything.  Help me out please, post a link.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2015, 02:40:02 PM »
It's not like Frank died or moved where there is no internet. Ask him.

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UPON EDIT: Ok, if you don't want to put Frank on the spot, this is my recollection (I couldn't possibly find the link): Bain was over here telling you guys how stupid you were, and Frank intervened. He specifically spoke of you saying that you were highly intelligent, highly educated, and fully credentialed. "He not only has a PhD, he trains people with PhDs." That's what I remember. If I'm wrong, so be it.

Can we move on?
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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2015, 02:45:39 PM »
It's not like Frank died or moved where there is no internet. Ask him.
Good idea.  COACH!!! am I the "most intelligent and best educated person on this board"

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2015, 02:48:48 PM »
<<<you were posting as I was editing ... I'll paste the edits below>>>

UPON EDIT: Ok, if you don't want to put Frank on the spot, this is my recollection (I couldn't possibly find the link): Bain was over here telling you guys how stupid you were, and Frank intervened. He specifically spoke of you saying that you were highly intelligent, highly educated, and fully credentialed. "He not only has a PhD, he trains people with PhDs." That's what I remember. If I'm wrong, so be it.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2015, 02:55:29 PM »
What about it appeals to you so much?

How about we answer the question.
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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2015, 02:58:29 PM »
<<<you were posting as I was editing ... I'll paste the edits below>>>

UPON EDIT: Ok, if you don't want to put Frank on the spot, this is my recollection (I couldn't possibly find the link): Bain was over here telling you guys how stupid you were, and Frank intervened. He specifically spoke of you saying that you were highly intelligent, highly educated, and fully credentialed. "He not only has a PhD, he trains people with PhDs." That's what I remember. If I'm wrong, so be it.

So be it --indeed.  As you can see, the Coach doesn't reply to mere minions.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2015, 03:03:56 PM »
How about we answer the question.
wasp69 doesn't care about the answer. You and I haven't interacted much, so I'll answer it for you:

The book was written by a brilliant scientist with broad experience. It is scientific exploration of the basis of climate science starting from the very basic concepts and their history building up to present day explorations.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2015, 03:08:01 PM »
Frank has touted you as being the most intelligent and best educated person on this board. Here is your chance to engage in a conversation on a scientific subject on an intellectual plane.

Not with you, he can't.  Send someone over who has brains, knows science, doesn't lie, doesn't open with ad hominem and can carry on a decent conversation.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2015, 03:16:22 PM »
wasp69 doesn't care about the answer. You and I haven't interacted much, so I'll answer it for you:

The book was written by a brilliant scientist with broad experience. It is scientific exploration of the basis of climate science starting from the very basic concepts and their history building up to present day explorations.

Not really an answer about what appeals to you so much.  A very generalized response.
So was Bad Dog correct with his assumption?  Or maybe you can explain in a discussion here what really appeals to you about the basis of the book.
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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2015, 03:39:14 PM »
I'm up to section 10.6, about one third of the way through -- page 305 in the hard bound version.

I posted this thread hoping to generate a discussion. Don't read the book. Don't enter the discussion. I don't care.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2015, 03:46:27 PM »
I'm up to section 10.6, about one third of the way through -- page 305 in the hard bound version.

I posted this thread hoping to generate a discussion. Don't read the book. Don't enter the discussion. I don't care.

So you wanted to generate discussion on a book you're reading, yet you discuss nothing about it.
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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2015, 03:51:37 PM »
I'm up to section 10.6, about one third of the way through -- page 305 in the hard bound version.

I posted this thread hoping to generate a discussion. Don't read the book. Don't enter the discussion. I don't care.

Buzz,

I will reward you for striking out in a new direction. Good Buzzy.



For the benefit of those of us who haven't read the book, please describe Dr. Hay's thesis, and why you agree or disagree with it.
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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2015, 04:50:23 PM »
wasp69 doesn't care about the answer.

If I didn't care I wouldn't have asked the question.

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I posted this thread hoping to generate a discussion.

Yet you failed to answer the first question asked.  Pretty silly for someone who was trying to generate a discussion.
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

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John C Calhoun, "Disquisition on Government", 1840

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2015, 04:59:33 PM »
Big Dog --

Here's your pic (the page you chose sent your link into la-la land) Thanks, btw.





If I didn't care I wouldn't have asked the question.
Okay. An example: on page 271, Hay describes the discovery of greenhouse gases and how they function.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2015, 05:09:34 PM »
Okay. An example: on page 271, Hay describes the discovery of greenhouse gases and how they function.

Allow me to clarify:  Is it interesting because of the technical aspect?  Is it interesting because the author tunnels down into macro level scientific detail?  Is it interesting because you think it fits your politics?  Is it interesting because you think it's apolitical? 

What about the book interests you the most?

Bear in mind that I've heard of neither the author nor any of his works.
"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

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A community may possess all the necessary moral qualifications, in so high a degree, as to be capable of self-government under the most adverse circumstances; while, on the other hand, another may be so sunk in ignorance and vice, as to be incapable of forming a conception of liberty, or of living, even when most favored by circumstances, under any other than an absolute and despotic government.

John C Calhoun, "Disquisition on Government", 1840

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2015, 05:32:17 PM »
Big Dog --

Here's your pic (the page you chose sent your link into la-la land) Thanks, btw.




Okay. An example: on page 271, Hay describes the discovery of greenhouse gases and how they function.

Told ya.  Buzzy is going to edumicate us on climate diversity.  Buzzer, are you a big fan of Dr. Paul Ehrlich?  Have you read his book "The Population Bomb".  Other than his theory of glowball "cooling" and his prediction that the earth would be uninhabitable by the mid 90's, He was dead on.  Strangely enough, he is still lionized by climate Nazis.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2015, 07:56:27 PM »
Guys, if you don't want to enter into this discussion, fine. I'll talk about the book, the science, or the author. But, I will not talk about the politics surrounding global climate change or my motivations for reading the book.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2015, 08:02:41 PM »
Buzzy, if you are a big fan of the study of the great glow bull warming swindle, we have a whole board dedicated to it.
I wish you would check it out.
I would certainly engage you there.

A recent report from some climate scientists finds that carbon dioxide is not the agent for global warming it has been presented as.
This is information that conservatives have known for a long time.
The "greenhouse gas" theory of global warming is falling apart at the seams, as it should.
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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2015, 08:20:58 PM »
Guys, if you don't want to enter into this discussion, fine. I'll talk about the book, the science, or the author. But, I will not talk about the politics surrounding global climate change or my motivations for reading the book.

I wouldn't either if I were you Buzzy.  Simple question for you what does your book theorize the climate to be "changing" to?  You also need to keep up with the "science" the current term is "climate disruption" which helps you avoid the above question.  I personally prefer "climate diversity" which allows you to completely ignore actual data and nuisances like East Anglia and other data fudging activities.

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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2015, 08:30:34 PM »
I wouldn't either if I were you Buzzy.  Simple question for you what does your book theorize the climate to be "changing" to?  You also need to keep up with the "science" the current term is "climate disruption" which helps you avoid the above question.  I personally prefer "climate diversity" which allows you to completely ignore actual data and nuisances like East Anglia and other data fudging activities.

I realize I am not as smart or erudite as you, and so the elitist Buzz may ignore my question, but here goes:

Buzz, what is the proper temperature of the earth, and upon what do you base your answer?
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Re: William Hay's "Experimenting on a Small Planet"
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2015, 08:39:12 PM »
I realize I am not as smart or erudite as you, and so the elitist Buzz may ignore my question, but here goes:

Buzz, what is the proper temperature of the earth, and upon what do you base your answer?

There is elegance and brilliance in simplicity Big Dog.  It also usually cuts to the bone as is your style.