an open letter to BuzzClik

[franksolich]

Hey BuzzClik.  Sir.  Dude.

I’ve been watching the back-and-forth between the decent and civilized people of the DUmpster here, and yourself.

Just watching without saying anything, because whenever there’s a tanglement between us here, and a visitor from Skins’s island, I trip all over myself trying to be a nice guy…..and end up making things worse.

It’s something I learned as the seventh out of eight children; when the bigger ones fight, just stay out of the way, because then suddenly they’d all gang up on me.

<<<tended to be a uniting force for squabbling people.

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Anyway, as moderator here, I’m compelled to correct the record concerning your pal BainsBane.

Before she came over here, you yourself advised her that franksolich is a nice guy, one of the nicest guys one can ever hope to meet, which was, and is, true.

So when she showed up here, I was nice to her, impeccably polite.

Then I made the mistake of getting involved, and ooops…..

What ticked me off about your pal BainsBane was that she came over here thinking she was going to be dealing with a bunch of cretins, morons, hicks, idiots.

I dunno why primitives have this notion of us; surely the record shows otherwise.

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This isn’t directed so much to you, sir, as it is to other primitives, but anyway, I’m gonna let you in on a secret, dude, that I’ve used in the past with moles on Skins’s island (none of them currently active at the moment, because other moles and authentic primitives are doing franksolich’s work for me).

There’s that old saying—and your pals BainsBane and MrsCorpio need take notice (yourself, not so much)—about “never underestimate the enemy.”

Those times any of my moles engage in, uh, information-gathering activities, I take very good care to see, and react to, the primitives as if they’re very much brighter than me; mountains smarter than me, with tons more cerebral mass than what franksolich has.

Hell, I even act as if Atman knows more than I do.

This is my standard modus operendi, and I’ve always been astonished at how well it works, in discombobulating the primitives, as a public service for the Good of Humanity.

[wasp69]

Pearls before swine, Frank.

Those times any of my moles engage in, uh, information-gathering activities, I take very good care to see, and react to, the primitives as if they’re very much brighter than me; mountains smarter than me, with tons more cerebral mass than what franksolich has.

Hell, I even act as if Atman knows more than I do.

This is my standard modus operendi, and I’ve always been astonished at how well it works, in discombobulating the primitives, as a public service for the Good of Humanity.

I'm going to post something that may not be part of your main point, but I think it bears repeating.

The good moles, the really good ones, don't continuously provoke or stray too far from the hive mind.  The really good moles know how to move among you, stir you up, and move away while you tear each other apart.  Are you getting this, ****os?  You're in a circular firing squad, shooting wildly at each other, and celebrating when you take down innocent bystanders.

I know we're in your heads, driving you like a rented Malibu, laughing as you, the smarterest people on the internet, jump and dance at shadows.  You fire blindly into the dark while we chuckle.  Your own fall to the floor, by your hand, and we smile while we get ready for you to chain drag the next DUmmie through the gravel.

[SVPete]

Hey BuzzClik.  Sir.  Dude.

I’ve been watching the back-and-forth between the decent and civilized people of the DUmpster here, and yourself.

Just watching without saying anything, because whenever there’s a tanglement between us here, and a visitor from Skins’s island, I trip all over myself trying to be a nice guy…..and end up making things worse.

It’s something I learned as the seventh out of eight children; when the bigger ones fight, just stay out of the way, because then suddenly they’d all gang up on me.

<<<tended to be a uniting force for squabbling people.

- - - - - - - - - -

Anyway, as moderator here, I’m compelled to correct the record concerning your pal BainsBane.

Before she came over here, you yourself advised her that franksolich is a nice guy, one of the nicest guys one can ever hope to meet, which was, and is, true.

So when she showed up here, I was nice to her, impeccably polite.

Then I made the mistake of getting involved, and ooops…..

What ticked me off about your pal BainsBane was that she came over here thinking she was going to be dealing with a bunch of cretins, morons, hicks, idiots.

I dunno why primitives have this notion of us; surely the record shows otherwise.

- - - - - - - - - -

This isn’t directed so much to you, sir, as it is to other primitives, but anyway, I’m gonna let you in on a secret, dude, that I’ve used in the past with moles on Skins’s island (none of them currently active at the moment, because other moles and authentic primitives are doing franksolich’s work for me).

There’s that old saying—and your pals BainsBane and MrsCorpio need take notice (yourself, not so much)—about “never underestimate the enemy.”

Those times any of my moles engage in, uh, information-gathering activities, I take very good care to see, and react to, the primitives as if they’re very much brighter than me; mountains smarter than me, with tons more cerebral mass than what franksolich has.

Hell, I even act as if Atman knows more than I do.

This is my standard modus operendi, and I’ve always been astonished at how well it works, in discombobulating the primitives, as a public service for the Good of Humanity.

Frank, I'd chew you out for giving away your "store", but DU-folk are "too smart" to believe you (and others) are as subtle and crafty as you openly tell them you are. Being under-estimated can be highly entertaining.

[Mr Mannn]

The problem here is that Primitives are so convinced of their superiority over all who disagree, they cannot help but treat us with contempt. It has not dawned upon them that people can disagree and still be equals...it's a foreign concept.

So they come here, behave badly, and get banned.

[obumazombie]

What is funny to me is that anyone who is objective can review all the DU characters who signup here and see that they got their arises handed to them in just about every exchange.

Also, there is no need or call to mole here. If you come and follow the rules, you can stay as long as you want.
Nothing here will prevent any DUmmie from expressing their opinions.
That is why so many DUmmies have come over with their DU name.
We don't want to ban you. We want you to stay.
You just can't help yourselves and are unable to act civilized.

[docstew]

I'm still waiting on answers to my two questions:

What makes anyone entitled to the money that someone else earns?

and

Scenario for you: Gay person out on the town, doing a pub crawl. Walk into a bar on their list, visibly intoxicated. The bartender, who is wearing a cross necklace, rightly declines to sell them a drink.
1. Did the bartender just commit a hate crime?
2. Should they have continued to serve someone until they end up in the hospital, or kill someone while driving drunk?
3. Would the fact that they served a gay person to avoid being "hateful" and "bigoted" relieve them of the legal and moral responsibility of contributing to another person's injury/death?

You claim to want debate, yet ignore actual attempts at debate. Kind of shows the weakness of your arguments, doesn't it?

[franksolich]

Pearls before swine, Frank.

They just don't get it, do they?

And one can never go wrong, overestimating the intelligence of a primitive.

(For the record, this is directed at other primitives, not the current one.)

[Tess Anderson]

Frank dear, there is a lot more to Buzz than I think you know (very close) - this x-post should help:

Re: Merry late Christmas
Postby JustPassinThru » December 29th, 2011, 10:50 am

Cap'n Howdy wrote:

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the NOPC powers-that-be were to create exactly such a mythology to account for the end of their little empire: you, me, Nixon, JPT were the last of the major shit-disturbers who left this autumn, and that's when the site collapsed and finally ended.


That happens. For all the pissing and moaning when food-fights break out on these boards...a lot of times it's the draw. Especially when it's over something of significance; not who-stole-who's-signature idiocy.

Any NewsMax vets remember Rusty Needle? When NM got pulled, he went over to BTTS - as BuzzClik - and then was a charter member of CHCH. And a liberal-mod; and it went about as well with Rusty/Buzz as it did with Dougger. He did have the decency to give up the mod post and remain a member for a time...

...and for about two years it was the Buzz-and-Justy show, with us lobbing hand-grenades back and forth and the others taking sides. Like Doug, he was a worthy opponent...given to untruths and deliberate logical fallacies, like all liberals; but willing to discuss.

It ended with the 2004 election. He had considerable invested in a Kerry win...emotional, surely, maybe time as well - and he just collapsed like a dirigible with a hole, after Kerry's loss. Left a few weeks later...never to return.

He's apparently a college prof. And, apparently, he now spends his "office hours" playing online video games (his name, BuzzClik) instead of even wasting time at least in worthwhile discussions.

Anyway...once the schitt-slinging ended, Capitol Hill Coffeehouse collapsed. It's a near-ghost now...members check in a couple times a month to swap time signals; that's all.

http://nopc22.com/viewtopic.php?p=98556

Pit Viper, or whatever he called himself at CU is just another one of  his names. Speaking of CU:

Buzz Clik  Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore   Mon May-05-08 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. Just one time each.
I started out as a Republican.

I voted for Nixon in 1972 when I cast my first vote ever.

I voted for Carter in 1976 over Ford because I disliked Ford very much.

I voted for Reagan in 1980 because I was stupid, but in 1984 and 1988 I voted Libertarian as I was transitioning out of the Republican Party.

It's been all Dem ever since.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5827030

 
that makes him a Paultard, so he must have posted over there post-Gator.

[Bad Dog]

Frank dear, there is a lot more to Buzz than I think you know (very close) - this x-post should help:

that makes him a Paultard, so he must have posted over there post-Gator.

The more I see, the less I believe anything he says.  Best case, the stupid putz can't figure out what he stands for.

[Big Dog]

Shit, Buzz, you are a Low Information Voter.

Voted for Carter in 1976 because you didn't like Ford. That was like not liking dry toast. ****ing brilliant.

Voted for Reagan, the anti-Carter, in 1980.

Voted for Bergland in '84, and Ron Paul in '88, but can only articulate 'I was transitioning out of the Republican Party. It took you four years to 'transition'? Damn, man, it took Bradley Manning less time than that to transition into 'Chelsea'! Then again, he is the cellblock pincushion at the USDB, so he may have been inspired.

I am a hardcore libertarian, and I wouldn't trust Ron Paul to run a tollbooth. What in the **** is wrong with you?

And you have blindly voted for collectivist, redistributionist,  Statists ever since. It makes me doubt that you ever understood the philosophy of liberty.

I overestimated you. Mea culpa, Buzz. I won't make that mistake again.

[BuzzClik]

Hey BuzzClik.  Sir.  Dude....

Frank, you know your words are never lost on me.

[Bad Dog]

Frank, you know your words are never lost on me.

What's that smell???

[franksolich]

Frank dear, there is a lot more to Buzz than I think you know (very close) -

Well, I will concede, and easily so, that the buzzy one's always treated franksolich with more respect than any other primitive.

This has always been a sore point for me in real life, being treated in a certain way--and kudos for the buzzy one, for not doing that.  Decent and civilized people treat me as I deserve to be treated--well or badly, depending upon my behavior at the time.

Democrats, liberals, and primitives on the other hand have universally looked at franksolich as some sort of dullard.

I'm absolutely normal-looking, with good manners and all that, but the minute I open my mouth in front of a Democrat, liberal, or primitive, all first impressions are completely eclipsed by the stupid notion that I'm a dummy (because of the voice), after which one is either condescended to, or treated as if one doesn't matter.

I always wondered what would happen, if Skippy, the King of Condescension on Skins's island, and franksolich, were to meet in real life.

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I already have an idea, though.  For years, whenever I've gone to county fairs where I'm not known, I've of course visited the political booths and chatted with the people there. 

In some cases, I've been lucky, being accompanied by a friend who could eyewitness the phenomenon--and it's rather blatant, the way one's treated.

It never made any difference if the volunteer was for Mundane or Dukakis or Clinton or Gore or the Bostonian Billionaire or Obozo; no matter how nice and friendly and polite I was, I was condescended to as if I weren't a particularly bright person.

That's why, after initially having been so nice to the buzzy one's pal BainsBane, I turned.

[wasp69]

Shit, Buzz, you are a Low Information Voter.

Voted for Carter in 1976 because you didn't like Ford. That was like not liking dry toast. ****ing brilliant.

Voted for Reagan, the anti-Carter, in 1980.

Voted for Bergland in '84, and Ron Paul in '88, but can only articulate 'I was transitioning out of the Republican Party. It took you four years to 'transition'? Damn, man, it took Bradley Manning less time than that to transition into 'Chelsea'! Then again, he is the cellblock pincushion at the USDB, so he may have been inspired.

I am a hardcore libertarian, and I wouldn't trust Ron Paul to run a tollbooth. What in the **** is wrong with you?

And you have blindly voted for collectivist, redistributionist,  Statists ever since. It makes me doubt that you ever understood the philosophy of liberty.

I overestimated you. Mea culpa, Buzz. I won't make that mistake again.

Sounds like buzzy's a little old to be so ****ing stupid, doesn't it?

[BuzzClik]

I'm still waiting on answers to my two (sic) questions:

What makes anyone entitled to the money that someone else earns?

and

Scenario for you: Gay person out on the town, doing a pub crawl. Walk into a bar on their list, visibly intoxicated. The bartender, who is wearing a cross necklace, rightly declines to sell them a drink.
1. Did the bartender just commit a hate crime?
2. Should they have continued to serve someone until they end up in the hospital, or kill someone while driving drunk?
3. Would the fact that they served a gay person to avoid being "hateful" and "bigoted" relieve them of the legal and moral responsibility of contributing to another person's injury/death?
and

You claim to want debate, yet ignore actual attempts at debate. Kind of shows the weakness of your arguments, doesn't it?

That's five questions, but who's counting? In order and renumbered:

1) The IRS by Congressional mandate
2) No.
3) No.
4) No.
5) No.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

For the record:

What got Ph-Double-D's tossed out of here was not her unassailable intellect but her immediate and unreserved leap to blaming conservatives for the Boston bombing. That is solely and exclusively the reason she was banned.

I didn't agree with the banning as I think she should have remained to be taken to task.

I would also enjoy confronting her about feminism's love affair with its fake rape culture.

Still, she was banned. I don't expect Buzz to be as familiar with her banning as he pretends but the fiction he peddled to his fellow Proglodytes need not be left unchallenged.

[BuzzClik]

Still, she was banned. I don't expect Buzz to be as familiar with her banning as he pretends but the fiction he peddled to his fellow Proglodytes need not be left unchallenged.

Well, for the record... yours is the third explanation that I've received for her banning since I arrived here, and it is the only one consistent with the reason she told me immediately after her banning. (She and I were in constant communication during her stay; mostly I was telling her to get the hell out.)

But, the quoted material above is interesting to me: Give me a few details about "the fiction he peddled to his fellow Proglodytes." Be real specific because your accusation is real clear.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

But, the quoted material above is interesting to me: Give me a few details about "the fiction he peddled to his fellow Proglodytes." Be real specific because your accusation is real clear.

The aforementioned, referenced post:

Buzz Clik (31,045 posts)

49. Sourass? This is not our first dance; we know each other well.
 
Frank, your colleagues collapsed in short order in the face of the intellectual onslaught of Bain.

BainesBain's banning:

http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=93917.msg1183724#msg1183724

[BuzzClik]

Complete and total fail. There is nothing in my post that suggests why Bain was banned.

I suspected as much: a couple of you mods have taken it upon yourselves to try to bait me into some sort of anger-driven onslaught that will justify you banning me. Again.

You don't need a reason.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Complete and total fail. There is nothing in my post that suggests why Bain was banned.

I didn't say you offered a reason for her banning I said you claimed she was banned because of her "intellectual onslaught."

My comment, just up-thread...

For the record:

What got Ph-Double-D's tossed out of here was not her unassailable intellect but her immediate and unreserved leap to blaming conservatives for the Boston bombing.

I provided the citation of you claiming we couldn't withstand her "intellect onslaught."

She was not banned for being smart. She was banned for accusing conservatives of being terrorists.

Typical, re-write the history...even though it's just up-thread for everyone to read (or maybe y'all just have some sort of mental deficiency. Y'all do spend a lot of time claiming you have Asperger's or some such thing that leaves wholly unable to work).

I suspected as much: a couple of you mods have taken it upon yourselves to try to bait me into some sort of anger-driven onslaught that will justify you banning me. Again.

Oh, we're not done with you yet, chuckle-butt.

[txradioguy]

Complete and total fail. There is nothing in my post that suggests why Bain was banned.

Bain was banned here because she did it to herself.   She became a troll.

I can provide you the links to what led to her banning since a lot of the discussion was between me and her.

But something tells me you'll pass.on the offer of the truth

I suspected as much: a couple of you mods have taken it upon yourselves to try to bait me into some sort of anger-driven onslaught that will justify you banning me. Again.

You don't need a reason.

You're the one making excuses for something that hasn't even been considered by the Mods here yet.

This isn't DU...we don't ban people for difference of thought or opinion.

[Bad Dog]

Come on folks, don't fall for the buzzer's crafty tricks.  This obviously a ham-handed DOTY run on his part.  His miscalculation, of course, is the well known short attention span of conservatives.

The Give away for me was his shameless romancing of first, the coach and now (on another thread), Big Dog.  This crafty commie will stop at nothing.

[Carl]

Complete and total fail. There is nothing in my post that suggests why Bain was banned.

I suspected as much: a couple of you mods have taken it upon yourselves to try to bait me into some sort of anger-driven onslaught that will justify you banning me. Again.

You don't need a reason.

 

[obumazombie]

Nobody wants to ban you Buzzy.
No one wants you to conform to any particular thought.
Your dissent is welcome.
But we do want you to behave.
You know, show a little bit of self discipline.
But alas, libs are incapable of controlling themselves.

[Big Dog]

Come on folks, don't fall for the buzzer's crafty tricks.  This obviously a ham-handed DOTY run on his part.  His miscalculation, of course, is the well known short attention span of conservatives.

The Give away for me was his shameless romancing of first, the coach and now (on another thread), Big Dog.  This crafty commie will stop at nothing.

Awwwww, Mongo straight!

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