Author Topic: We need a Guaranteed Minimum Income (Read 9294 times)

Gina · « **Reply #25 on:** March 31, 2015, 02:44:20 PM »

Quote from: freedumb2003b on March 31, 2015, 02:37:31 PM

H5 and right on! I have been working nonstop for the last 43 years (this week, I won't say what day). But my new reason to get out of bed is countdown to retirement. I am just tired but I keep doing it and doing it well (any job worth doing).

EVERY morning when my alarm goes off I lay there for 15 minutes trying to convince myself to move. It hurts horribly in the morning when I first move. I lay there saying to myself "today, I should call in sick" "but are you really sick? once you get up you will feel better" "Get up, dumbass!" lol. It's funny now that I think about it. As long as I can put that first foot on the ground I'm good.

freedumb2003b · « **Reply #26 on:** March 31, 2015, 02:46:12 PM »

Quote from: Gina on March 31, 2015, 02:44:20 PM

EVERY morning when my alarm goes off I lay there for 15 minutes trying to convince myself to move. It hurts horribly in the morning when I first move. I lay there saying to myself "today, I should call in sick" "but are you really sick? once you get up you will feel better" "Get up, dumbass!" lol. It's funny now that I think about it. As long as I can put that first foot on the ground I'm good. :rotf:

Momentum -- God's gift to Physics :)

BlueStateSaint · « **Reply #27 on:** March 31, 2015, 02:48:21 PM »

Quote from: txradioguy on March 31, 2015, 02:38:52 PM

I wasn't allowed to show up without them...that came directly from the RCO

Good man, the RCO!

Hopefully, if I go, I'll meet him at the 2d Cav Association reunion in October.

txradioguy · « **Reply #28 on:** March 31, 2015, 02:52:24 PM »

Quote from: BlueStateSaint on March 31, 2015, 02:48:21 PM

Good man, the RCO!

Hopefully, if I go, I'll meet him at the 2d Cav Association reunion in October.

I haven't had much to do with this RCO but COL Myer seems to be good people. Say hi to Chris Golden for me when you go.

SVPete · « **Reply #29 on:** March 31, 2015, 04:01:12 PM »

From the DU OP:

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... a smart country should never puts its citizens in that state.

Ummmm ....... excu-u-u-u-u-use me?! This country didn't put you in that "state". I suspect you did, but you have refused to acknowledge responsibility for so doing.

SSG Snuggle Bunny · « **Reply #30 on:** March 31, 2015, 04:28:10 PM »

Is there a guaranteed minimum labor that goes with it?

txradioguy · « **Reply #31 on:** March 31, 2015, 04:36:06 PM »

Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on March 31, 2015, 04:28:10 PM

Is there a guaranteed minimum labor that goes with it?

Surely you jest. You don't actually expect them to work for the guaranteed income do you?

SSG Snuggle Bunny · « **Reply #32 on:** March 31, 2015, 05:25:01 PM »

Quote from: txradioguy on March 31, 2015, 04:36:06 PM

Surely you jest. You don't actually expect them to work for the guaranteed income do you?

No. Not really.

But it was fun just to type.

thundley4 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 31, 2015, 05:28:00 PM »

The DUmmies are right. They deserve to be given one freebie from the taxpayer when they hold their Cheeto's stained fingers out.

GOBUCKS · « **Reply #34 on:** March 31, 2015, 07:10:21 PM »

That photo reminds me of the DUmmy who played Russian roulette with a Glock.

diesel driver · « **Reply #35 on:** March 31, 2015, 08:07:42 PM »

Quote from: SVPete on March 31, 2015, 09:45:12 AM

Another refried failed policy from, this time, the 1970s. Failed for Nixon; why would it fare any better now?

Not only Nixon, but the former USSR as well.
If you are guaranteed a "minimum income", what happens if you want to earn more than that? Will you receive more if you work more?
And if you get your "minimum income" REGARDLESS of your output, just HOW PRODUCTIVE would you want to be?

Mathmatically speaking, if you get $X for working Y amount of hours, to produce Z number of widgets, with a "guaranteed minimum income", would you still receive $X if you only work Y-A^* hours, and only produce Z-A^* number of widgets, or would you be paid $X-A^*, like you SHOULD BE PAID!

If you work Y+A^* number of hours, and produce Z+A^* number of widgets, would you still get paid $X, or would you get paid $X+A^* for those hours worked over Y?

*(A being any number less than or equal to X, Y, or Z)

IOW, WHY would anyone want to work more for the same amount, when they can work little or none, and still get paid?

franksolich · « **Reply #36 on:** March 31, 2015, 08:09:27 PM »

Quote from: diesel driver on March 31, 2015, 08:07:42 PM

IOW, WHY would anyone want to work more for the same amount, when they can work little or none, and still get paid?

It's easy. Primitives would.

diesel driver · « **Reply #37 on:** March 31, 2015, 08:13:20 PM »

Quote from: franksolich on March 31, 2015, 08:09:27 PM

It's easy. Primitives would.

Just my way of saying it would KILL productivity.

thundley4 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 31, 2015, 08:33:41 PM »

Quote from: diesel driver on March 31, 2015, 08:13:20 PM

Just my way of saying it would KILL productivity.

Just like unions have done in countless factories all over the world.

docstew · « **Reply #39 on:** March 31, 2015, 08:38:17 PM »

Quote from: diesel driver on March 31, 2015, 08:07:42 PM

IOW, WHY would anyone want to work more for the same amount, when they can work little or none, and still get paid?

"As long as they pretend to pay us, we will pretend to work" - Soviet saying

diesel driver · « **Reply #40 on:** March 31, 2015, 08:47:08 PM »

Quote from: thundley4 on March 31, 2015, 08:33:41 PM

Just like unions have done in countless factories all over the world.

Found this on Facebook:

http://buzzpo.com/maine-forced-welfare-queens-to-work-guess-what-happened-next/?utm_content=buffer4d27e&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=positivelyrepublican

Chris_ · « **Reply #41 on:** March 31, 2015, 09:53:12 PM »

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Having a guaranteed living income... would allow talented people to serve in different environments without the fear of losing it all.

If you had any talent, you'd have a job.

Carl · « **Reply #42 on:** March 31, 2015, 10:05:06 PM »

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Response to DAMANgoldberg (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:49 PM

Warpy (81,909 posts)
2. What our Puritan culture fails to realize is that some people are unfit for work

and a lot of the time, the disabilities are invisible ones like chronic depression, borderline mental issues, and debilitating autoimmune diseases. Abandoned mothers with small children are already working at full capacity and adding a paid job to that never works well for either.

I've always said they needed to ask why multi generational welfare families existed instead of merely cutting off their income. They never did that. They would have been very surprised by some of the things they found which have been obvious to me over my years in health care.

Of course, we'll need to sell the idea of raising wages, first. With higher wages creating another boom economy, it will be easier to sell taking care of people who are unfit for work with an income floor.

Says one permanently unemployed due to drug issues.

Big Dog · « **Reply #43 on:** March 31, 2015, 10:19:49 PM »

Quote from: Carl on March 31, 2015, 10:05:06 PM

Says one permanently unemployed due to drug issues.

It looks like she's still using.

thundley4 · « **Reply #44 on:** March 31, 2015, 10:31:09 PM »

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Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:49 PM

Warpy (81,909 posts)
2. What our Puritan culture fails to realize is that some people are unfit for work or unwilling

and a lot of the time, the disabilities are invisible ones like chronic depression, borderline mental issues,aka being liberal and debilitating autoimmune diseases. Abandoned mothers with small children are already working at full capacity and adding a paid job to that never works well for either. simple solution: train some of them to be daycare workers, and tell the rest to get a job.

I've always said they needed to ask why multi generational welfare families existed instead of merely cutting off their income.Welfare moms try and get their kids on SSDI at early ages and stigmatize them for life. Alos, the Dems made it to increase single mother families by denying benefits to regular families. They never did that. They would have been very surprised by some of the things they found which have been obvious to me over my years in health care.

98ZJUSMC · « **Reply #45 on:** March 31, 2015, 11:40:20 PM »

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Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:38 AM

Star Member Hugin (20,921 posts)
1. Excellent topic for discussion!

I especially recommend reading the DU thread linked in the OP.

Of course, right out of the gate in those replies someone plays the inflation card. Inflation could easily be delt with by implementing price controls on staples. An anathema to the owner class, because it would create a powerful government and reduce the owners main income stream which is based on gouging labor.

Quote from: FaC on March 31, 2015, 09:43:46 AM

You might want to check out how that is working in the worker's paradise of Venezuela DUmbass

Oh, ..... they just didn't do it right.

GOBUCKS · « **Reply #46 on:** April 01, 2015, 12:27:26 AM »

It's like LBJ's Great Society plan.

First you offer a guaranteed welfare income if they don't work.

Then you put in a cash penalty if they get married.

Then, most important, you set up a Bastard Bonus to increase payment for each illegitimate kid.

Some people think that plan was a disaster, but it really wasn't.

Without the culture it created, there would be no democrat party today.

LBJ was a democrat genius.

obumazombie · « **Reply #47 on:** April 01, 2015, 05:15:15 AM »

Quote from: GOBUCKS on April 01, 2015, 12:27:26 AM

It's like LBJ's Great Society plan.

First you offer a guaranteed welfare income if they don't work.

Then you put in a cash penalty if they get married.

Then, most important, you set up a Bastard Bonus to increase payment for each illegitimate kid.

Some people think that plan was a disaster, but it really wasn't.

Without the culture it created, there would be no democrat party today.

LBJ was a democrat genius.

What about his 100 year quote, and who was it about ?

Gina · « **Reply #48 on:** April 01, 2015, 08:51:04 AM »

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Response to DAMANgoldberg (Original post)

Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:49 PM

Warpy (81,909 posts)
2. What our Puritan culture fails to realize is that some people are unfit for work

and a lot of the time, the disabilities are invisible ones like chronic depression, borderline mental issues, and debilitating autoimmune diseases. Abandoned mothers with small children are already working at full capacity and adding a paid job to that never works well for either.

Sigh. Some people have it tough. It builds character. You should use your tough life to rise above by working harder or figuring out another way to make the same money your healthy counterparts do. America was built this way and I'm glad.

GOBUCKS · « **Reply #49 on:** April 01, 2015, 01:04:26 PM »

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Tue Mar 31, 2015, 03:49 PM

Warpy (81,909 posts)
2. What our Puritan culture fails to realize is that some people are unfit for work

and a lot of the time, the disabilities are invisible ones like chronic depression, borderline mental issues, and debilitating autoimmune diseases. Abandoned mothers with small children are already working at full capacity and adding a paid job to that never works well for either.

Things would be so much more pleasant if despairing DUmmies like Nurse Hindenburg would go ahead and die.

Had she not been caught stealing hospital narcotics her world view would be a lot brighter.

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Author Topic: We need a Guaranteed Minimum Income (Read 9294 times)