Before You Try To Pin A Lib Down, Try Practicing With...

[obumazombie]

Gello.
You'll get farther...

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If you ask a lib a question with only 2 possible answers, all they have to do is name one.
Only a lib could convert a 50/50 into a guaranteed loss.

[docstew]

Point of Order: The title of this thread should be changed to "Before You Try To Pin A Lib or Establishment Republican Down,..."

The establishment types are just as squirmy, and move the goalposts just as much, as liberals. Only difference between the two groups is the establishment Rs are more open in their disdain for their natural voter base (ie conservatives)

[obumazombie]

Point of Order: The title of this thread should be changed to "Before You Try To Pin A Lib or Establishment Republican Down,..."

The establishment types are just as squirmy, and move the goalposts just as much, as liberals. Only difference between the two groups is the establishment Rs are more open in their disdain for their natural voter base (ie conservatives)

There are some very liberal GOPers.
They can rightly be called RINOs.
They can almost be counted on to caucus with the libs.

[Big Dog]

There are some very liberal GOPers.
They can rightly be called RINOs.
They can almost be counted on to caucus with the libs.

With the exception of Harding (2 years), Coolidge (6), Goldwater (close, but no cigar), and Reagan (8), the progressive (left) wing of the Republican Party has been in charge for the past 110 years. I think they own the brand, bought and paid for.

Conservatives are the outsiders, so maybe the term RINO applies more accurately to conservative and libertarian Republicans.