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WilliamPitt (57,765 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026396578I do not want Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic nominee.Period. End of file. Wrong on the Patriot Act. Wrong on the Iraq war and the AUMF. Wrong on the Keystone XL and fracking. Wrong on Wall Street across the board. = wrong on personal freedom, unjust war, climate change, and economic justice. I've been a Democrat since 9:00am of my 18th birthday. I've worked on Democratic campaigns high and low. No one, but no one, can challenge my creds on the matter of party loyalty. Wrong is wrong. This is a bad idea we will come to regret. Go ahead and launch the personal attacks. That has come to be expected. The first Clinton supporter who can actually explain how they can live with her record earns my respect, if not my agreement. ...oh, and P.S., O MY GOD REPUBLICANS ARE SO BAD YOU GUYS does not count. She voted like a Republican on the Patriot Act and the war, acted fully like a Republican on Keystone, and is as Republican as you can get regarding Wall Street. That O MY GOD REPUBLICANS garbage doesn't fly anymore. She forfeited that privilege when she sided - again and again and again and again - with the worst people in the country So explain it to me. Explain how we can't do better if we actually try. I'm a Democrat in good standing. I'll wait.
still_one (34,763 posts) 9. Fine, so will you vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is?
WilliamPitt (57,765 posts) 12. Here in New HampshireI will vote for every Democrat on the slate, primary and general.
KoKo (79,397 posts) 16. Agree, Will, but what are the alternatives? Expecially if Warren, Sanders and O'Malley don't runbecause Hillary has sucked up all the money and energy? I'd like both Warren and Sanders to stay in the Senate because their voices are so important there. But, I'd take either Sanders or Warren over Hillary if they decided to run and vote for them. O'Malley just doesn't do it for me. Have you checked out Chris Van Hollen. Wiki Search on him shows an incredible background with him growing up in Pakistan, (father was a Diplomat there...fastastic background on him) and his mother was a CIA Expert on Russian Affairs. His background including Harvard would fit well with Obama's and is better in many respects. He doesn't have Big Corporate Donor liabilities and his voting record is a bit rated better than Hillary's. Given all our Military Interventions all over the ME and Africa and the new Cold War with Russia this guy would be super for Foreign Relations Experience that would top Sanders, Warren or O'Malley and even Hillary as SOS. Anyway .....I'm on a thing about him because I'm so desperate to have a primary with many to challenge Hillary....but, Van Hollen could be a last minute DRAFT if Hillary falters in her Campaign or has health problem or such. He's running for Senate in MD but Donna Edwards is very popular and it might split the vote...so why shouldn't he throw his hat in the ring at the last minute? Anyway...desperation.... but check out his WIKI. I have his voting record somewhere but I can't dig it out now.
greenman3610 (3,190 posts) 19. Cuz there's not a dimes worth of difference between al gore and George bush.Right? I remember how that worked out. Do you?
morningfog (10,279 posts) 24. Your point? Gore won, bush stole it. Remember?
ann--- (1,468 posts) 26. Me, neitherActually, I don't know of ANY Dem candidate who would put Israel in its place. As a voter not registered to any party affiliation, I may not even vote for president if the Dems cannot find a fair and decent one.
Sancho (3,352 posts) 56. I've been a hard core Democrat as long as you, and I disagree.Pulling the Reagan age and experience card won't fly with me. Hillary is not perfect, but let's see the platform and then decide on a primary candidate. I met Nixon in the 60's when folks loved him and saw Democrats in the 70's who were convinced Carter was a closet military war monger. You really don't know what a President Hillary Clinton would be like. She has earned the right to run. After that, it is premature to act like a fortune teller. Vote how you would like after we see the primary.
Sick_of_TP (19 posts) 97. Would you rather have a Rep. pres.That's what will happen if you don't vote for HRC. She will get the big money. Hopefully she'll also get most women voters. Moderates and independents will probably vote for her. As much as I love Bernie and Lizzy they will not get the funding. Besides, they are needed to fight the GOP controlled congress. Hillary will get my vote no questions asked because I don't want anybody on the other side!!!!
Cryptoad (2,425 posts) 116. Hateful Negative HRC attacksonly serve nobody but the GOP goals since HRC has no primary opponents.......... Funny yall haters have nothing positive to say about any other progressives' attributes who is running,,,,,, oh that's right ,,there is nobody else running in the primary. You know, there may be a good reason for that? If you are only going to support the party when your candidate is running/winning you are not a democrat in my book.
MineralMan (70,950 posts) 139. OK. Pitch someone else, Will.Tell us who you support, but make sure it's someone who will run and has a genuine chance to win. Let's hear about your candidate. I'll be voting for the Democrat, so tell us exactly who it should be. I don't pick presidential candidates. I just vote for them in November. I'm busy with state and federal legislative races, where my efforts help choose the candidates. So, tell us who you want to be the candidate, not who you don't want. I'm listening.
WilliamPitt (57,765 posts)I will vote for every Democrat on the slate, primary and general.
Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)Sat Mar 21, 2015, 06:18 PMann--- (1,468 posts) 26. Me, neitherActually, I don't know of ANY Dem candidate who would put Israel in its place. As a voter not registered to any party affiliation, I may not even vote for president if the Dems cannot find a fair and decent one.
Democrats in the 70's who were convinced Carter was a closet military war monger.
I hate the Hillary almost as much as Pitt does, does that make me wrong?
WilliamPitt (57,765 posts)12. Here in New HampshireI will vote for every Democrat on the slate, primary and general.
No, and Pitt is still an a$$hole.
He says Hillary is wrong about everything and Barry is a POS used car salesman, yet he is still an asshole
Sat Mar 21, 2015, 06:18 PMann--- (1,469 posts) Actually, I don't know of ANY Dem candidate who would put Israel in its place.
The DUmp would love any candidate who endorsed a Final Solution.They're just squeamish about calling a spade a spade.
. Have you checked out Chris Van Hollen. Wiki Search on him shows an incredible background with him growing up in Pakistan,
^"She" was a man ?That explains a lot.
