kaput the Military expert weighs in on LTC Joni Ernst

[txradioguy]

 

kpete (45,572 posts) Lt. Col. Joni Ernst broke the law by signing the seditious letter to Iran.

 Lt. Col. Joni Ernst, the junior senator from Iowa, is an active duty lieutenant colonel in the Iowa Army National Guard. As such, she is bound by the Iowa State Code of Military Justice. Her signing of the seditious letter to Iran is a clear and direct violation of Chapter 29B.85 of the Iowa State Code of Military Justice.

29B.85 CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS.
Any person subject to this code who uses contemptuous words against the president, the governor, or the governor of any other state, territory, commonwealth, or possession in which that person may be serving, shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
 This is very serious infraction. We are a nation governed by civilians. Our Commander-in-Chief is a civilian. The government officials that hold ultimate authority over our military are civilians. This is true at the federal level and the state level. This has always been the case since George Washington was president. He resigned his military commission to accept the position of president. We have never in our history had a military ruler. Military obedience to civilian authority is critical and essential if we are to maintain the democracy we inherited. That is why "contempt towards officials" is such a serious matter. Lincoln enforced that discipline during the Civil War. Even with the imposition of martial law, Lincoln remained a civilian commander. Truman enforced the same discipline after WWII when he relieved Gen. MacArthur of his command. Obama enforced the same discipline recently when Gen. McChrystal was relieved of his command. There is nothing anachronistic about this fundamental principle. 

In the federal armed services, this is handled under Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


“Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
 

Reading the federal version, it is obvious where Iowa got the wording for its law. It's not an accident or a coincidence. The importance of enforcing the requirement for military obedience to civilian authority is universally applied at every level of governance, from the federal to the local level. This is why we are not a police state.

More of the Primitive General Staff chimes in:

Abouttime (34 posts)

17. Mark my words

 GI Joni won't finish her term. Joni will resign in shame just like Palin. This current scandal is just the latest of many. We need to keep hounding her until she has to answer every day for the crimes she and her family have committed. Joni is the weak link, she has no business being a United States Senator, she was not vetted, her election was a fluke, she has no real support back home. We need to put pressure on her and make her fold like a house of cards.

Imagine what a gift it would be for our side to have this junior senator embroiled in scandal leading up to the 2016 election? We need to keep pushing day after day the anti-joni message, write letters, make calls, fan the flames. Show the world just what a disgrace this woman really is.

Keep dreaming. 

yeoman6987 (5,636 posts)

11. Why isn't Senator Graham getting called out?

He is an active Reservist. He should be scrutinized just like Earnst in my humble opinion. Are we being harder on her?

No he's not AGR (Active Guard/Reserve).  At most Colonel Graham is a traditional Air National Guardsman, once a month two weeks every summer.

BigBearJohn (8,254 posts)

16. So we have two junior senators with broad military experience speaking against their President.

Cotton was a captain in the army with a Bronze Star no less, and Ernst a Lt. Col in the National Guard.
Where is the "honor" in their belittling our beloved President and his plans for peace?
Such fine examples of leadership (NOT) for the brave, honorable servicemen sacrificing for our country.
You would think they might have learned SOMETHING from the Code of Military Justice.
Disgraceful. They should each bow their head in shame.

This from the same people that was encouraging myself and others in uniform to ignore the orders of the President and our commanders...when they weren't advocating for us to shoot them or have someone spit on us when no one was looking.

Cha (158,937 posts)

18. Really? Well, who knew she'd jump right into it without giving it

 a second thought?

I hope her vapid. vacant, insipid, a$$ gets busted.

And I hope you catch the full force of a solid oak clue bat.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026353266

[txradioguy]

kaput's knowledge of the UCMJ wouldn't fill a thimble.
 
Ernst wasn't on any kind of state or federal active duty orders (which means she wouldn't have been there to sign the letter anyway)...nor was she serving during Annual Training or a weekend drill.
 
She didn't appear on the floor of the Senate in uniform...so you're just SoL on this one.
 
And besides...if you primitives REALLY want to go down this road...let me remind you of this...Tammy Duckworth, LTC Illinois Army National Guard. We Conservatives can demand she be held to the same standards you want to hold Joni Ernst to.
 


Don't forget too DUmmies that D Student Kerry was still a Lieutenant in the Navy when he went and lied before that Congressional comittee in 1972.

[Carl]

Watching these mongrels that can`t figure out how to earn a days living discuss Constitutional and legal issues is hilarious.

[Big Dog]

Watching these mongrels that can`t figure out how to earn a days living discuss Constitutional and legal issues is hilarious.

Like retarded chimps trying to use an iPad.

[txradioguy]

Like retarded chimps trying to use an iPad.

A retarded primate will figure out how to use an iPad before the Primitives on Skin's island ever understand one paragraph of the UCMJ.

[thundley4]

Like retarded chimps subway cat trying to use an iPad.

[SVPete]

Like retarded chimps trying to use an iPad.

But don't expect The Works of Shakespeare to be produced by them.

[Gwitness]

Ted Kennedy colluded with the Soviet Union to interfere with the elections in this country in 1984...suck on that DUmmies.

[Big Dog]

 

[dane]

kpete (45,572 posts) Lt. Col. Joni Ernst broke the law by signing the seditious letter to Iran.

 Lt. Col. Joni Ernst, the junior senator from Iowa, is an active duty lieutenant colonel in the Iowa Army National Guard...blah blah

I might be confused, but if Senator Ernst is serving in the senate, how can she also be "...active duty..."?  I would think she is more like a weekend a month member until/unless her unit is activated.

I think kpete might be confused and grasping at straws - but I might be wrong about all of the above.

[DumbAss Tanker]

active duty lieutenant colonel in the Iowa Army National Guard

Just stop right there, you stupid whore.  You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[Mr Mannn]

Looks like a job for Lasserhaus.

(Sings an old Spike Lee song)
Not to love Obama is a big disgrace,
so we Heil! (fart) Heil! (fart) right in Obama's face.

[Carl]

There are a few on the island that actually understand the colossal stupidity of the whole proposition and desperately try to get the other primitives to stop.

They are more likely to staunch the flow of lava from an erupting volcano. 

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

It's only contempt or conduct unbecoming if a jury of her fellow officers think it is.


And that's probably a can of worms you day dreamers don't want to open.

[JohnnyReb]

I'd still like to see John Kerry's original discharge....not the one up graded by Jimmy Carter.

[blitzkrieg_17]

Watching these mongrels that can`t figure out how to earn a days living discuss Constitutional and legal issues is hilarious.

I understand it far better than they do and I'm not even a lawyer.

Not to love Obama is a big disgrace,
so we Heil! (fart) Heil! (fart) right in Obama's face.

  H5 for you

[DumbAss Tanker]

It's only contempt or conduct unbecoming if a jury of her fellow officers think it is.


And that's probably a can of worms you day dreamers don't want to open.

There's a whole lot more to proving an Article 88 case than kaputt thinks, and then there is the whole "On active duty" thing for jurisdiction, which Ernst would not be unless she was actually serving on AT or mob orders at the time she signed the letter...which of course she was not.

[Delmar]

Response to kpete (Original post)Thu Mar 12, 2015, 08:46 AM
Star Member BigBearJohn (8,254 posts)
5. Who is responsible for enforcing this? Maybe a petition should be started at White House website.

Joni Ernst is so busted.  Not just chapter 29B.85 of the Iowa State Code of Military Justice, but the Logan Act too.  The double whammy.

My oh my these DUmmies are stupid.

[I_B_Perky]

kpete (45,572 posts) Lt. Col. Joni Ernst broke the law by signing the seditious letter to Iran.

 Lt. Col. Joni Ernst, the junior senator from Iowa, is an active duty lieutenant colonel in the Iowa Army National Guard. As such, she is bound by the Iowa State Code of Military Justice. Her signing of the seditious letter to Iran is a clear and direct violation of Chapter 29B.85 of the Iowa State Code of Military Justice.

29B.85 CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS.
Any person subject to this code who uses contemptuous words against the president, the governor, or the governor of any other state, territory, commonwealth, or possession in which that person may be serving, shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
 This is very serious infraction. We are a nation governed by civilians. Our Commander-in-Chief is a civilian. The government officials that hold ultimate authority over our military are civilians. This is true at the federal level and the state level. This has always been the case since George Washington was president. He resigned his military commission to accept the position of president. We have never in our history had a military ruler. Military obedience to civilian authority is critical and essential if we are to maintain the democracy we inherited. That is why "contempt towards officials" is such a serious matter. Lincoln enforced that discipline during the Civil War. Even with the imposition of martial law, Lincoln remained a civilian commander. Truman enforced the same discipline after WWII when he relieved Gen. MacArthur of his command. Obama enforced the same discipline recently when Gen. McChrystal was relieved of his command. There is nothing anachronistic about this fundamental principle.

In the federal armed services, this is handled under Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.


“Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.”
 

Reading the federal version, it is obvious where Iowa got the wording for its law. It's not an accident or a coincidence. The importance of enforcing the requirement for military obedience to civilian authority is universally applied at every level of governance, from the federal to the local level. This is why we are not a police state.

Yo dummie? When the senate is in session, the senators are protected, by law, from arrest for anything they say while acting as a senator. See Harry Reid for good examples.  A letter is nothing more than a statement put on paper.

Suck on it, dummie!

[SVPete]

Looks like a job for Lasserhaus.

(Sings an old Spike Lee song)
Not to love Obama is a big disgrace,
so we Heil! (fart) Heil! (fart) right in Obama's face.

Actually, that was Spike Jones, the band leader and musician. Spike Lee is a racist - of the PC variety - movie producer (or director).

[Skul]

I must remind a few of you apcist, that I am sending this via an iPad.     



 

[obumazombie]

BigBearJohn (8,254 posts)

16. So we have two junior senators with broad military experience speaking against their President.

Cotton was a captain in the army with a Bronze Star no less, and Ernst a Lt. Col in the National Guard.
Where is the "honor" in their belittling our beloved President and his plans for peace?
Such fine examples of leadership (NOT) for the brave, honorable servicemen sacrificing for our country.
You would think they might have learned SOMETHING from the Code of Military Justice.
Disgraceful. They should each bow their head in shame.

This seems molish to me.

[Mr Mannn]

Actually, that was Spike Jones, the band leader and musician. Spike Lee is a racist - of the PC variety - movie producer (or director).

Thanks for that, and Hi5 for knowing that old song. I was afraid people here were way too young to know Spike Jones.

[98ZJUSMC]

    He is an active Reservist. He should be scrutinized just like Earnst in my humble opinion. Are we being harder on her?

No he's not AGR (Active Guard/Reserve).  At most Colonel Graham is a traditional Air National Guardsman, once a month two weeks every summer.

That is an active Reservist. Inactive Reservists don't drill.

FULL DISCLOSURE:  I was AGR with ILARNG

EDIT:  It can be a bit confusing.  You have your standard Active Reservist who drills monthly and does AT's.  You have Individual Ready Reserve, which are technically, inactive.  They periodically show up for paperwork and such until their remaining commitment is done.  There is Inactive National Guard that I never completely figured out the difference from IRR.  AGR is samey same 24/7/365 active duty only you are assigned and part of that unit in an AGR slot.  In days of yore, these slots were Civil Service GS-5/GS-7.  Civilian during the month and Guard on the weekends.  Out in the Maintenance Shops (OMS), you have another system, Wage Grade (WG).  It's a zoo.  The Federal Techs in the shops resisted (Union) going AGR and have still been successful, as far I know.

kpete (45,572 posts) Lt. Col. Joni Ernst broke the law by signing the seditious letter to Iran.

...and you're as full of shit as your Lightworker, phuckstick.

[Skul]

I'm considered an inactive reserve officer, and I consider the the current half-white president to be an apologetic, ass-kissing, traitorous and appeasing wimp.
He deserves any and all, contempt he earns. (That's a lot of it.)