the big guy gets testy

[franksolich]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026349245#post1

Oh my.

Note: this is a companion thread to:

"the big guy says we haven't bothered him in a long time"
http://conservativecave.com/index.php?topic=101186.0

where it'd been wondered why he was so bent out of shape; so this preceded that.

Omaha Steve (48,094 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 01:56 PM

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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (9,060 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:03 PM

1. OMG

dumbcat (371 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:17 PM

2. I don't think I get your point
 
Deer wearing a bulletproof vest? Why? Any bullet from a legal deer rifle will penetrate the bulletproof vest.

And the round being discussed (M855/SS109 green tip) is illegal for deer hunting in most states as it has too little energy to ensure a humane kill.

So what were you trying to say?

Doctor_J (31,431 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:26 PM

3. That his senator said that the end of the ban on armor-piercing ammo is good for hunters
 
Perhaps you can tell us how the removal of the ban benefits hunters.

leftupnorth (681 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:31 PM

4. Virtually all center fire rifle rounds will penetrate police armor.
 
These aren't any more armor piercing rounds than your grandpas .30-.06 deer hunting rounds.

If the new threshold for banning ammo is that it can penetrate police armor - which is the lightest out there and designed for only stopping subsonic pistol rounds - then virtually all rifle ammo will be banned.

Please inform yourselves, people.

Omaha Steve (48,094 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:50 PM

13. Link to a credible source?
 
Standard practice.

leftupnorth (681 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:07 PM

16. Look it up yourself please
 
This is common knowledge to most people who have ever shot at things like a propane tank, steel plates, etc.

My buddy and I went out last weekend and shot big holes in an old propane tank with just 5.56x45 and 7.62x39 copper jacketed ammo, the cheapest you can buy...

I'll post a pic of the propane tank if you'd like.

Star Member Omaha Steve (48,094 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:16 PM

18. OK let us ignore you don't have a link as is customary in GD or the DU in general
 
The Senator's letter says "hunters and sportsman". You just gave the reason this ammo isn't needed for either! 

leftupnorth (681 posts)   Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:26 PM

19. I did?
 
Are there any centerfire rifle rounds that will not penetrate the kind of armor they are talking about? 

Omaha Steve (48,096 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:32 PM

22. You just proved this round isn't nessesary
 
There are already a number of rounds capable for hunting the Senator didn't address. 

As I worked for the Omaha Police Dept. before I retired I got to hear from officers first hand the fear of ammo that can penetrate a vest. Have you ever talked to an officer about being under fire OR even considered their point of view?

Thank you!!!!

OS

leftupnorth (681 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:36 PM

24. No I haven't, since I don't run with authoritarians normally but
 
The benefits of having a tipped round like that are significant for hunting.

Would you like me to explain why?

Omaha Steve (48,096 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:41 PM

27. Why you came out from under a rock for THIS post?
 
Your stats: Number of posts, last 90 days: 7 Had nothing to do with ammo!

So how do POLICE in your neck of the woods feel about this? Go on. Tell me they are happy about this.

OS 

leftupnorth (681 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 03:57 PM

29. I normally lurk here, but I shoot and hunt frequently.
 
Your post enticed me to log in and post, hoping to inform you a bit and spur you and others to do a little research before wringing your hands. But I suppose you could just ignore me and the other posters who have made similar posts addressing your 'concerns' and continue the propaganda charade. 

^^^sounds reasonable. 

Omaha Steve (48,096 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 04:04 PM

30. Even a lurker knows to post a link in support of an opinion
 
It seems from other posts it is better to have cheap ammo that can kill cops than to ban it? 

<<<wonders why the big guy's all of sudden being pro-cop.

Remember, he supports that mummy cop-killer in Philadelphia.

[Big Dog]

The liver worms that are sloooooowly killing Steve Dawes, swam upstream and are now munching on his brain.

[Carl]

Leftists are pro law enforcement when they wish for them to be agents to eradicate pesky conservatives and the Constitution but hate them when they are inhibiting their desires to loot and get stoned.

[Rebel]

leftupnorth (681 posts)    Wed Mar 11, 2015, 02:31 PM

4. Virtually all center fire rifle rounds will penetrate police armor.
 

Say what?

[Big Dog]

Say what?

The DUmmy is correct, Rebel. Compare the body armor used by police to the military issued SBA, which is made to orotect against rifle fire and fragments from explosions.

Threat level IIA Soft body armor, most commonly issued by departments, is made to defeat pistol ammunition. 5.56 will go through front and back of a threat level IIA vest. .30-06 will defeat any vest below threat level IV, or III with ceramic plates.