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OW OW OW OW OW!!!!
« on: March 11, 2015, 08:14:33 PM »
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Basic social studies lesson for Rethugs: In the US, the President is the Head of State.
He (or she) is a co-equal branch of government. He is not like the Prime Minister of Great Britain, the leader of the majority party in Parliament. The President's power comes from his office, not from the majority in Congress.

And he's the one whom the Constitution empowers to negotiate and ratify agreements and treaties. Not Congress, whose job is to advise and consent.

 
...wait for it...

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1. Basic constitutional lesson

A) The Senate ratifies all treaties. Not the president.
B) Congress has the power to pass international laws, not the president.

Most of the issues that presidential administrations negotiate over are given to the presidents BY ACT OF CONGRESS.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/overview

Article I, Section 8 gives several "foreign policy" powers to Congress:

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
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To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;


Article II, Section II on presidential powers:

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.


The current negotiations with Iran are largely over sanctions, which are imposed by the executive under laws passed by Congress.

The letter may have been unwise, but it surely wasn't unconstitutional.

 
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2. Sure it is.It wasn't even a majority of the Senate so it is meaningless drivel with intent to undermine the duely elected President.


But they don't ever learn.
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2015, 08:30:32 PM »
Dummies don't have a basic understanding of the Constitution.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2015, 08:40:10 PM »
Quote from: HawkHogan on March 11, 2015, 08:30:32 PM
Dummies don't have a basic understanding of the Constitution.

Too stupid to live, yet they can vote.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 08:48:25 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2015, 09:47:21 PM »
Head of State?

Ok:

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Re: OW OW OW OW OW!!!!
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2015, 10:19:15 PM »
Quote from: HawkHogan on March 11, 2015, 08:30:32 PM
Dummies don't have a basic understanding of the Constitution.

Don't confuse treachery for stupidity.
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2015, 10:29:14 PM »
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2. Sure it is.It wasn't even a majority of the Senate so it is meaningless drivel with intent to undermine the duely elected President.

I guess www isn't very good at Math and/or Reading. There are 100 Senators in the US Senate. It takes 2/3 of them - i.e. 67 - to ratify a treaty. That means that those 47 duly elected Senators alone are far more than sufficient to render a proposed treaty they think bad, NULL AND VOID.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2015, 10:50:36 PM »
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2. Sure it is.It wasn't even a majority of the Senate so it is meaningless drivel with intent to undermine the duely elected President.

Credit to SVPete for catching that.
When I saw that I thought maybe he/she/it was thinking about the Darlin's

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Re: OW OW OW OW OW!!!!
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2015, 01:13:19 AM »
Yo_Mama is exactly right, and they're all too arrogantly stupid to acknowledge it.
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2015, 02:09:00 AM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on March 11, 2015, 10:19:15 PM
Don't confuse treachery for stupidity.

Well, I think the leaders of the Democratic party are treacherous, and know exactly what they are doing.

However, I don't think the Dummies have a clue, one way or another.
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Re: OW OW OW OW OW!!!!
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2015, 08:03:26 AM »
Quote from: HawkHogan on March 12, 2015, 02:09:00 AM
Well, I think the leaders of the Democratic party are treacherous, and know exactly what they are doing.

However, I don't think the Dummies have a clue, one way or another.

The Proglodytes know they would be vigorously defending their people if the reverse were the case.

They know.

What they also know -- and what they have said -- is: Without this "deal" war with Iran is all but inevitable and it is a war they will be blamed for.

They rigged the 2007 NIE just to politically sabotage Bush. They rooted for America to be seen as weak. They withdrew us from Iraq with barely restrained calls that we were defeated. They are gutting the military. They are abandoning our allies.

They know war is looming and if it comes to war it will be worse because that is what they have engineered and they know we know.

They're scared that every worse thing we have ever said about them will be proven true in bloody reality.

They want a deal that allows their precious half-not-white president to escape from office without being shown as the miserable failure that he is.

If anyone has a better theory I'm all ears.
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Re: OW OW OW OW OW!!!!
« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2015, 08:30:56 AM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on March 12, 2015, 08:03:26 AM

Excellent summary; tells it like it is.

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Re: OW OW OW OW OW!!!!
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2015, 09:41:47 AM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on March 12, 2015, 08:03:26 AM
The Proglodytes know they would be vigorously defending their people if the reverse were the case.

They know.

What they also know -- and what they have said -- is: Without this "deal" war with Iran is all but inevitable and it is a war they will be blamed for.

They rigged the 2007 NIE just to politically sabotage Bush. They rooted for America to be seen as weak. They withdrew us from Iraq with barely restrained calls that we were defeated. They are gutting the military. They are abandoning our allies.

They know war is looming and if it comes to war it will be worse because that is what they have engineered and they know we know.

They're scared that every worse thing we have ever said about them will be proven true in bloody reality.

They want a deal that allows their precious half-not-white president to escape from office without being shown as the miserable failure that he is.

If anyone has a better theory I'm all ears.

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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2015, 10:36:43 AM »
Quote from: SGT Snuggle Bunny on March 12, 2015, 08:03:26 AM
The Proglodytes know they would be vigorously defending their people if the reverse were the case.

They know.

What they also know -- and what they have said -- is: Without this "deal" war with Iran is all but inevitable and it is a war they will be blamed for.

They rigged the 2007 NIE just to politically sabotage Bush. They rooted for America to be seen as weak. They withdrew us from Iraq with barely restrained calls that we were defeated. They are gutting the military. They are abandoning our allies.

They know war is looming and if it comes to war it will be worse because that is what they have engineered and they know we know.

They're scared that every worse thing we have ever said about them will be proven true in bloody reality.

They want a deal that allows their precious half-not-white president to escape from office without being shown as the miserable failure that he is.

If anyone has a better theory I'm all ears.

even if the 'treaty' goes through there will be war with Iran. The only difference is that they will have nukes and we will be much weaker.

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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2015, 10:44:14 AM »
Quote from: obumazombie on March 11, 2015, 10:50:36 PM
Credit to SVPete for catching that.
When I saw that I thought maybe he/she/it was thinking about the Darlin's

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Funny - my mind immediately went to those trucks with four tires in back.
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2015, 11:09:15 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2015, 06:58:02 AM »
Quote from: HawkHogan on March 11, 2015, 08:30:32 PM
Dummies don't have a basic understanding of the Constitution.
The only things they have a basic understanding of are Marxist principles (Only a rudimentary understanding of that; Not enough for them to realize how ineffective and dangerous it is), playing the discrimination card, weird sexual fetishes, and how to roll a joint.
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« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2015, 01:12:05 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2015, 02:12:15 PM »
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And he's the one whom the Constitution empowers to negotiate and ratify agreements and treaties. Not Congress, whose job is to advise and consent.

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