DUmmie bitches about high cost of Electric, Thinks more solar will lower it.

[sharkhawk]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026309347

My bill here in Illinois is about 8 cents/KWH, but that is almost double what it was last year, because our brilliant city council went with a "green" provider.  Luckily, I found a 0% green company that gives a 25% break.

Star Member sheshe2 (22,131 posts)


When your heating bill nearly gives you a heart attack.

I am from MA. We have been in a deep freeze for more than a month. I have gas heat now, I keep it turned low, I heat at 60-65 degrees. I usually turn it all the way down at night and only edge it up when I get home from work, yet it has been far to cold to do that now. I have to leave it on.

My bill floored me. It was twice what I paid last year. It is so damn cold. I was talking to a person at work that lives in a condo where I use to live. They are electric and I froze there while paying a huge price for heat. I asked him how bad it was now, made a guess what they paid to be cold. I was low in my estimate, his heat was more than his mortgage payment. Hello! Mass has is 4th in the highest rates.

Currently, Massachusetts has the fourth most expensive electricity based on a study done by the Small Business and Entrepreneurship Council. The state’s residents are paying between 17.5 and 22 cents for electricity and rates are supposed to continue to increase. Residential electricity costs in Massachusetts have doubled since 1990, with a majority of the increase happening after 2004. Other regions in the country have not been impacted as intensely because electricity generation isn’t tied to natural gas. This is a good indicator that Massachusetts needs better diversification of their energy portfolio to avoid rate increases. Investment in renewable energy choices, such as solar power, are a smart choice for the state and for residents who want to avoid spikes in energy prices.

Another reason why Massachusetts consumers are paying more for electricity is because they are using more. An increase in the variety of electronic devices has directly impacted resident’s bills. Ten years ago, few households had home computers, cell-phone chargers, DVD players or PlayStations. Even though most appliances these days are much more energy-efficient than in the past and people are more conscientious about turning off lights, the best way to pay less for your electricity bill is to start cutting usage.


We need solar and we need it now!

The stupidity it burns

[Ptarmigan]

You DUmmies wanted green power. You get what you wanted. No? Somehow, this screams

[J P Sousa]

When your heating bill nearly gives you a heart attack.
   

Following through on his campaign pledge, ( DEMOCRAT ) Governor Wolf made taxing the natural gas industry a central part of his budget proposal Tuesday. 

https://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2015/03/03/wolfs-budget-plan-calls-for-new-tax-on-natural-gas-industry/
 

The DUmmies never learn, democrats make things more expensive and lie about saving money. 

[Gina]

We've averaged 25° here and my highest bill has been $275.  I have mine set at 70°.  . Oh and I am electric.

I want LNG.

[thundley4]

[youtube]www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4[/youtube]
Obama: My Plan Makes Electricity Rates Skyrocket

 

[Carl]

Gosh,how is it that the smartest and most aware among us never actually pay attention to things.

From last September and when I saw it.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2014/09/25/national-grid-projects-percent-increase-for-winter-electricity-rates/gVya8QtLFa4nCRJLmy0SIJ/story.html

A couple of quotes explaining why.

The price shock is driven by New England’s increasing reliance on natural gas as a source for both heating homes and making electricity. The pipelines that ship natural gas into New England do not have enough capacity to meet the increased demand, and during winter, electric plants often end up paying much more for the fuel.

Other factors include the closing earlier this year of the coal-burning Salem Harbor Power Station and the planned shutdown of the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, which will reduce the amount of electricity available to utilities this winter, said Dan Dolan, president of the New England Power Generators Association.

Energy industry officials have been warning for several years that New England’s growing dependence on natural gas could result in price spikes if steps such as the expansion of the pipeline system are not taken.

[SVPete]

Every reg slapped on energy companies increasing consumer costs. As t4 pointed out that is intentional.

There also are forced subsidies of "green" power sources tucked into many/most (all?) people's energy bills: utilities are forced to add a surcharge to subsidize purchase and installation of solar; utilities are forced to buy a stated percentage of their power from "green" sources, at rates much higher than the market rate for hydro-, gas-, and coal-generated power.

Libs & Progs created this monster. Why aren't they proud of it?

[BlueStateSaint]

Every reg slapped on energy companies increasing consumer costs. As t4 pointed out that is intentional.

There also are forced subsidies of "green" power sources tucked into many/most (all?) people's energy bills: utilities are forced to add a surcharge to subsidize purchase and installation of solar; utilities are forced to buy a stated percentage of their power from "green" sources, at rates much higher than the market rate for hydro-, gas-, and coal-generated power.

Libs & Progs created this monster. Why aren't they proud of it?

They wanted to inflict their enemies with the monster.  What they don't realize is that the monster goes after everything and knows no master.

[Chris_]

Solar power?  In winter?   

They'd have to pay someone to clear the snow off the panels every morning.

[DumbAss Tanker]

They wanted to inflict their enemies with the monster.  What they don't realize is that the monster goes after everything and knows no master.

Right on the money, and the dumb wench doesn't even think it through and do the basic reading to find out what the unsubsidized cost of a KWH of solar power is for comparison...and then think through where those subsidies that bring it down to the hydrocarbon-produced market price ultimately come from.  Then there is the whole "Hey, if the Northeast is socked in for weeks on end, how do we produce solar power there?"  I'd venture to say that she is so ignorant that she thinks a solar power farm in Arizona could actually supply Massadouches.

[fatboy]

Started burning cord#4 this past weekend. The woodpile really took a beating this winter.

The fact that our chimney sends smoke and carbon particulates east and in the direction of New Jersey is just a happy coincidence.

But getting back to Mass. Are not the good people of Venezuela and the happy workers at Citgo helping out the poor folk in New England with their winter energy needs?

[obumazombie]

Started burning cord#4 this past weekend. The woodpile really took a beating this winter.

The fact that our chimney sends smoke and carbon particulates east and in the direction of New Jersey is just a happy coincidence.

But getting back to Mass. Are not the good people of Venezuela and the happy workers at Citgo helping out the poor folk in New England with their winter energy needs?

I almost forgot about that.
In fact I had forgotten about that until you mentioned it.
I would love to see an update on that story.

In regards to the high costs of energy I have been surfing for a comparison of traditional energy sources and non traditional.
The propaganda I have been wading through is so thick I have yet to find something that is objective.

[I_B_Perky]

Star Member sheshe2 (22,131 posts)


When your heating bill nearly gives you a heart attack.

<bitch, piss and moan>

Hey dummie? You wanted it, you voted for it, you were successful and now you own it!  Embrace the suck, dummie!


<<<< keeps house at 70, writes a check to the power company while looking at the coal fired plant across the river generating cheap electricity.

[thundley4]

Hey dummie? You wanted it, you voted for it, you were successful and now you own it!  Embrace the suck, dummie!


<<<< keeps house at 70, writes a check to the power company while looking at the coal fired plant across the river generating cheap electricity.

We have a nuke plant less than 40 miles away but the state now allows them to sell the power out of state, but we are still paying for it. They are also building a wind farm not too far away, but that power is going to be sold in the Chicago area.

Regulations have made energy policies so screwy.

[diesel driver]

Hey dummie? You wanted it, you voted for it, you were successful and now you own it!  Embrace the suck, dummie!


<<<< keeps house at 70, writes a check to the power company while looking at the coal fired plant across the river generating cheap electricity.

Good ol' John Amos? 

[I_B_Perky]

Good ol' John Amos?

Yep.  Growing up 3 guys in the neighborhood helped build the cooling towers. Then they went to Willow Island when Amos was completed. By the luck of the schedule they were not on shift when that tower collapsed. Several people in the neighborhood worked at Amos as operators.  Around the parts, everyone knows someone that works at Amos.


It took a couple of three years to build. Now? It would take 10 years just to get thru the permitting process. 



I've actually been on top of generation unit 1 (in the center between the left two exhaust stacks). We had a tour when I was in 6th grade.  Has like 15 metal grate storys. You on the top floor, you can look down thru and see the bottom.  The heat actually pushed us out the door to the roof.  That was one heck of a tour.  You really do not realize how big that plant is until you are there.   

[obumazombie]

7.1¢ 13%
Cost Per kWh & Percent of Coal Power Sector Generation
8.6¢ 8.2¢
53% 79% 9.5¢
46% 10.6¢ 8.8¢ 63%
11.9¢ 0.4%
8.4¢ 6%
14.6¢ 8%
7.6¢ 37%
7.6¢ 29%
90% 8.1¢
11.3¢ 55%
15.6¢ 3%
9.8¢ 40%
96% 9.0¢ 28%
9.0¢ 15%
9.0¢ 72%
9.6¢ 61%
7.8¢ 41%
8.8¢ 38%
58%
9.0¢ 83%
7.8¢ 54%
8.0¢ 29%
9.2¢
8.0¢ 8.6¢ 70% 7.9¢
8.2¢ 82%
9.8¢ 64%
9.2¢ 67%
43% 87%
7.5¢ 93% 9.2¢ 42%
¢ = average retail price per kilowatt hour, 2013
10.2¢ 40%
16.5¢ 7%
9.2¢ 17%
9.0¢ 32%
9.5¢ 34%
9.2¢ 38%
9.1¢ 36%
10.3¢ 22%
CT 15.7¢ 2% DE 11.0¢ 24% MA 14.5¢ 12% MD 11.7¢ 44% NH 14.3¢ 7% NJ 13.7¢ 3% RI 13.9¢ 0% VT 14.5¢ 0% DC 11.9¢ 42%
% = percent of total generation from coal, 2013
U.S. Average – 10.08¢/kWh, 40% of power sector generation, 2013
33.3¢ 15%
<= 10.0¢ 10.1¢ - 12.0¢
> 12.0¢ Hydro
Sources: Energy Information Administration, Electric Power Monthly, March 2014 (2013 data); Public Service Commission of the District of Columbia (2012); California Energy Commission (2012 latest available); Washington Sta


Solar...





As near as I can figure based on murky (intentionally so) references, solar is at least 3 times more expensive than coal.

[diesel driver]

Yep.  Growing up 3 guys in the neighborhood helped build the cooling towers. Then they went to Willow Island when Amos was completed. By the luck of the schedule they were not on shift when that tower collapsed. Several people in the neighborhood worked at Amos as operators.  Around the parts, everyone knows someone that works at Amos.


It took a couple of three years to build. Now? It would take 10 years just to get thru the permitting process. 



I've actually been on top of generation unit 1 (in the center between the left two exhaust stacks). We had a tour when I was in 6th grade.  Has like 15 metal grate storys. You on the top floor, you can look down thru and see the bottom.  The heat actually pushed us out the door to the roof.  That was one heck of a tour.  You really do not realize how big that plant is until you are there.   

I recognized that view, it's from the Poca side of the river.  Up close and personal, it looks like you're right under those cooling towers!
Viewing it from the entrance on Rt. 35, it seems so much smaller...

[jukin]

You DUmmies wanted green power. You get what you wanted. No? Somehow, this screams

The worse you want something, the worse you get it.

[GOBUCKS]

I recognized that view, it's from the Poca side of the river.

Poca High School has the best team nickname in the country.

[obumazombie]

"The Mighty Dot" !

[freedumb2003b]

I am electric.

I want LNG.

My God, woman, I am NOT from Havana!

[diesel driver]

Poca High School has the best team nickname in the country.

"The Mighty Dot" !

Yep, The Poca Dots.

[GOBUCKS]

Yep, The Poca Dots.

Many years ago at the state basketball tournament, I remember seeing a team from some scruffy little coalfield high school whose nickname was the Millionaires. They had dollar signs all over their uniforms, but their socks didn't match.

[JohnnyReb]

Hey DUmmie, lower your electric bill to "0" zero....2 sheets of plywood make a good, sturdy pup tent.