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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2015, 10:32:15 AM »
Dummies lie,all the time they lie.

http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-ran-own-computer-system-121721814.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- The computer server that transmitted and received Hillary Rodham Clinton's emails — on a private account she used exclusively for official business when she was secretary of state — traced back to an Internet service registered to her family's home in Chappaqua, New York, according to Internet records reviewed by The Associated Press.
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The highly unusual practice of a Cabinet-level official physically running her own email would have given Clinton, the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate, impressive control over limiting access to her message archives. It also would distinguish Clinton's secretive email practices as far more sophisticated than some politicians, including Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin, who were caught conducting official business using free email services operated by Microsoft Corp. and Yahoo Inc.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2015, 10:35:10 AM »
....and I'll bet she charged the government for running her private e-mail account.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2015, 11:20:37 AM »
Charlie Rose doesn't think it's a big deal evidently...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/curtis-houck/2015/03/04/cbss-charlie-rose-clinton-email-scandal-why-story-getting-so-much

I guess Charlie doesn't remember months of wall to wall coverage of bridge gate where libs tried to invent something but found nothing.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2015, 11:31:11 AM »
Rose Law Firm redux. :whatever:
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2015, 01:01:42 PM »
Interesting comment on Blaze article...

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Marnin -Mar. 3, 2015 at 10:26pm
Hillary’s claim to fame:
1975: Fired from job as a prosecutor during Nixon investigation, Senator in charge saying she is “completely incompetent and untrustworthy”
1980′s – Whitewater lies
1992 HillaryCare which was rejected by all
1992-2000 – slept in the White House with someone who preferred fat interns to her
2002-2008 NY Senator who was reknown for being remarkably unaccomplished and did little
2007 Ran for president – beaten by unknown first term senator that did nothing and only ever voted “present” on anything
2012-2015 made speeches, charging 250k per from anyone who would pay, foreign or domestic, an said little of value
2014 – released a book after a huge signing bonus, possibly because she and Slick Willy were”broke when they left the White House”? Sold 3 copies or so.
2008-2012 Secretary of state – Bengahzi – What difference at this point does it make? Need I say more?

Feel free to add in more dates and “accomplishments” that I have forgotten…

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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2015, 08:08:54 PM »
So, we are now to believe that HRC is a Luddite who runs her own private email system... Okie-dokie...   :whatever:
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #31 on: March 04, 2015, 09:29:03 PM »
Quote from: Chris_ on March 04, 2015, 11:31:11 AM
Rose Law Firm redux. :whatever:

I also had visions of a re-run of the Rose Law Firm billing records' mysterious disappearance and miraculous reappearance.

Or the recovery of 10s of thousands of Lois Lerner's unrecoverable emails.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #32 on: March 04, 2015, 09:33:27 PM »
Quote from: miskie on March 04, 2015, 08:08:54 PM
So, we are now to believe that HRC is a Luddite who runs her own private email system... Okie-dokie...   :whatever:

 :bouncy: What? :bouncy: I don't :bouncy: see a problem :bouncy: with that :bouncy: idea. :bouncy:
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2015, 10:58:51 PM »
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Um, because they are  :whistling:
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2015, 11:36:00 AM »
It's conservative's fault...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2015/03/04/shorter-chris-matthews-republican-critics-partly-blame-hillary-email

Chrissy Matthews has his Hitlery flak machine in hyperdrive.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2015, 01:14:11 PM »
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I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.

I pay your salary. I paid Hillary Clinton's salary. Let's talk accountability.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #36 on: March 05, 2015, 01:39:08 PM »
A thought just hit me: as money-grubbing as the Clintons are, if Hillary was maintaining an email server in her house and paying for the domain and tech support, et al, you KNOW they billed the DOS for it and/or claimed it as a employment expense on taxes. Which means she used taxpayer dollars to enrich herself when she is the approving authority. Isn't that the definition of EMBEZZLEMENT?
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2015, 01:41:40 PM »
Quote from: docstew on March 05, 2015, 01:39:08 PM
A thought just hit me: as money-grubbing as the Clintons are, if Hillary was maintaining an email server in her house and paying for the domain and tech support, et al, you KNOW they billed the DOS for it and/or claimed it as a employment expense on taxes. Which means she used taxpayer dollars to enrich herself when she is the approving authority. Isn't that the definition of EMBEZZLEMENT?

Ouch.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2015, 02:34:37 PM »
Hillary may have very well committed a crime. It's more than reasonable to assume that some of the emails on her personal server contained highly classified and sensitive material.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026308079 The DUmmies think a person guilty of that should get prison time.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #39 on: March 05, 2015, 03:40:38 PM »
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I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.


So Hillary's failure to use government email for government purposes is blowing up today, perhaps rightly. (Certainly, DUers spare no scorn or outrage for Republicans when they do this kind of thing). I thought you might be interested in one person's inside-the-Department perspective. Here's what I'd note:

- Hillary at State was famous for being a Luddite. That hip tumblr of pics of her on her BlackBerry notwithstanding, she apparently didn't even have a computer on her desk and used to ask staffers to print out important email for her to read.

- State is famously behind the times when it comes to digital technology. When Colin Powell arrived in 2001, he called IT to his office because nothing seemed to be loading in his web browser. The techs patiently explained that that was because his computer wasn't connected to the internet; no desktop computers at State were. But if he wanted to get on the internet, there was a handy desk in a room down the hall that he could use! Powell changed that right away (it's one of the reason that State rank-and-file, who are overwhelmingly liberal Dems, regard Powell as the best Secretary they've ever worked for) but its systems still provide an inferior user experience compared to most people's private computers. (One example: Internet Explorer 7 came out in 2006; Internet Explorer 6 was the only browser available on most State desktops until 2012 or '13.)

- As bad as State's desktop systems were (and are), remote access is much, much worse. Using personal email for business is not all that uncommon at State precisely because, away from the desk, State email is notorious for its slow pace and frequent outages.

- Lots of people can live with crappy email and slow communications. The Secretary's staff can't. I've was on embassy staff for two different Hillary visits, and worked directly with her staff while she was on the ground (met her, too; she was lovely, her staff were the demon spawn of Hell -- and not especially competent demon spawn, either). These folks needed to be in constant, immediate communication with each other; State email was not a reliable tool for that.

So, there's your picture: a not especially tech-savvy Secretary and a wonky email system that was especially bad when accessed remotely -- and Hillary was always on the go.

I'm not a big Hillary fan, but I can absolutely understand why she would have stuck with a system she already knew, and already knew worked. That doesn't make it right, but it does suggest it may not be nefarious. Hanlon's razor applies: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.

Even if she was doing something blatantly illegal?  OK.   ::)
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #40 on: March 05, 2015, 03:49:40 PM »
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I'm not a big Hillary fan, but I can absolutely understand why she would have stuck with a system she already knew, and already knew worked.

Quote from: Gina on March 05, 2015, 03:40:38 PM
Even if she was doing something blatantly illegal?  OK.   ::)

And Hillary only set up the server and the domain name weeks or days before being confirmed by the senate.  So she wasn't that familiar with it. In fact having been a senator, she would have been much more familiar with the .gov system.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #41 on: March 05, 2015, 03:50:54 PM »
Quote from: Gina on March 05, 2015, 03:40:38 PM
Even if she was doing something blatantly illegal?  OK.   ::)

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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #42 on: March 05, 2015, 03:52:07 PM »
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70. I have

over a decade of experience to back up my facts on the laws regarding archiving email.

I can't believe I have to give a lesson, on DU of all places, that Democrats should obey the law just like Republicans should.

Seriously?




Rush said that if she had her own server that means if she deleted an email it is DELETED.  No recovery. Is that true?

Oh and since this is the scandal this week I have to wonder what's going on with Obama's other hand.  Seems these scandals are distractions from what he is really up to.  :(

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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #43 on: March 05, 2015, 07:54:24 PM »
Quote from: Gina on March 05, 2015, 03:52:07 PM




Rush said that if she had her own server that means if she deleted an email it is DELETED.  No recovery. Is that true?

Oh and since this is the scandal this week I have to wonder what's going on with Obama's other hand.  Seems these scandals are distractions from what he is really up to.  :(

There may very well not be a way to recover emails deleted on her server. However, if she was contacting someone on a .gov account, then there is a copy on government servers. If there is a copy on the receiving end and not on the origination end, then she obviously deleted them. Destruction of evidence is a felony... IJS
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #44 on: March 05, 2015, 08:17:38 PM »
Quote from: docstew on March 05, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
There may very well not be a way to recover emails deleted on her server. However, if she was contacting someone on a .gov account, then there is a copy on government servers. If there is a copy on the receiving end and not on the origination end, then she obviously deleted them. Destruction of evidence is a felony... IJS

Give it time,very well could be wrong but thinking there is a good chance it will be discovered there were many government officials holding a .clinton email account.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #45 on: March 05, 2015, 08:18:59 PM »
Quote from: obumazombie on March 04, 2015, 01:01:42 PM
Interesting comment on Blaze article...


Feel free to add in more dates and “accomplishments” that I have forgotten…



 Hillary Rodham engaged in a series of trades of cattle futures contracts. Her initial $1,000 investment had generated nearly $100,000 when she stopped trading after ten months.

Wow is she lucky or what.  :lmao:
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #46 on: March 05, 2015, 08:25:52 PM »
And the plot thickens...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/clinton-state-department-ousted-ambassador-using-private-email_876183.html

The Clinton DoS FIRED the ambassador to Kenya in 2011. The reason? Private email.

She KNEW it was, if not illegal, at least wrong enough to remove high level officials for doing it. Therefore, she KNEW that what she was doing was against policy.
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #47 on: March 05, 2015, 08:30:01 PM »
Quote from: docstew on March 05, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
There may very well not be a way to recover emails deleted on her server. However, if she was contacting someone on a .gov account, then there is a copy on government servers. If there is a copy on the receiving end and not on the origination end, then she obviously deleted them. Destruction of evidence is a felony... IJS

I'm not holding my breath that "someone" will investigate enough to find the smoking gun.


Remember Gruber ? It WASN'T the republicans who found Gruber it was an angry voter.   :-)

http://articles.philly.com/2014-12-15/news/57038055_1_health-insurance-jonathan-gruber-cbo
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The story of West Chester investment adviser Rich Weinstein shows that sometimes even the White House is no match for one angry citizen with a fast Internet connection and plenty of determination.

Last week, Weinstein's relentless archive-diving on the intellectual origins of the Obamacare health insurance law helped put MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, often hailed as an "architect" of the plan, in the dock for hours of embarrassing interrogation from the U.S. House Oversight Committee.




  The investment adviser says he began his sleuthing at the end of 2013, when he got a notice saying his family's health plan did not meet the standards of the Affordable Care Act. He found a new plan - that cost twice as much.

"When President Obama said, 'If you like your plan, you can keep it,' I believed him," Weinstein recalled. "I didn't even think about it." When he heard otherwise, he got angry: He felt the administration had lied.

He said he Googled "architects" of the law and pored over every video he could. "I wound up bingeing on Dr. Gruber," Weinstein said. The search was on.

Now he's famous.
 
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #48 on: March 05, 2015, 08:32:17 PM »
Quote from: docstew on March 05, 2015, 08:25:52 PM
And the plot thickens...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/clinton-state-department-ousted-ambassador-using-private-email_876183.html

The Clinton DoS FIRED the ambassador to Kenya in 2011. The reason? Private email.

She KNEW it was, if not illegal, at least wrong enough to remove high level officials for doing it. Therefore, she KNEW that what she was doing was against policy.
she was just mad that he did it first
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Re: I work at the State Dept. Let's talk email.
« Reply #49 on: March 05, 2015, 10:38:23 PM »
Every day it gets harder for Hitlery to explain her way out of this one.
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