Perhaps my fellow cavers who are anti-abortion christians can answer something

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

mfcorey1 (5,351 posts)

Why Getting An Abortion Was 'One Of The Best Decisions' Of This Woman's Life
   
"I simply wasn't ready," says Renee Bracey Sherman when describing why she chose to have an abortion.

In a new video produced for Fusion's #NoFilter series, Sherman explains the thought process she went through before choosing to terminate a pregnancy -- and the opportunities making that choice has afforded her.

Sherman, a reproductive justice and storytelling activist,    had an abortion when she was 19 years old. While the video shows how Sherman came to the decision to terminate her pregnancy, it also gives a broader look at her life and who she is as a person. Sherman says her “first and foremost identity" is a "cat lady," her parents raised her to see herself as an equal to her two brothers and she played the piano as a kid (even though she hated it).

The best part of this video -- besides that it shows she made the best decision for herself at the time -- is that it reveals so much about Sherman's personality, family and upbringing, showing that she's so much more than her choice to have an abortion. She is a full human being with likes, dislikes, funny stories and a family that loves her. Sherman's choice to have an abortion was just one of many decisions she's made in her lifetime.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/17/abortion-story-no-filter_n_6700806.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026251793


"reproductive justice"

a.k.a. bullshit artist



"storytelling activist"

a.k.a. active bullshit artist



"identity"

The child has more identity than this skrag ever will.



"the best decision for herself"

Oh, we know it's all about you, sweetie. Or, at least you think it is.



"she's so much more than her choice to have an abortion"

To the father she was just a night's sweaty distraction.



"She is a full human being with likes, dislikes, funny stories and a family that loves her."

Proglodytes often like to accuse decent, civilized people of maintaining a I-got-mine-screw-you attitude towards other people but then we get to read about this vacuous, self-absorbed bimbo. She gets to indulge her appetites and dream her insignificant little dreams -- but God help the innocent child that gets in her way. She has all this support but won't share that support with the child. She wants her life but the child has no life.


If there be a God the unborn soul has been commended to His bosom. It has been spared a life under the nurture of this insipid, useless woman. The only soul in jeopardy is her own.

Should I care?

[Carl]

It shows she is a self centered scrunt that that lives for the minute without any desire for responsibility or consideration of consequences.
In other words a liberal.

[SVPete]

An innocent human(s) being is killed by every abortion, regardless of the circumstance of the conception. So on that basis, I do care. In this woman's case, she could have given birth and given the child up for adoption. There are plenty of couples in the US who are eager to adopt. So, however unprepared and narcissistic this woman was at age 19/20, the child need not have been raised by her.

The HuffPo story, intentionally or otherwise, does reveal the sort of shallowness and self-centeredness of many/most women who have abortions. They want their pleasure and they don't want their pleasure to have consequences.

That said, I'm no angel, and I was/am redeemed by Jesus. This woman, for all her self-centeredness and hard-hearted defensiveness is in similar need, and may be redeemed; she's no less a "prize" than I was, and Jesus gave His life for her as well as for me.

[Gina]

Ok. I'm going to lay out something that has scarred my heart. 

When I was a teen I got pregnant.  My mom said it would break my dad's heart if he ever found out and she whisked me away for an abortion.  I was a teen and thought it was nothing.  Little did I know how bad it would affect me later in life.  I went through 8 years of infertility where I had miscarriage after miscarriage and I felt I deserved every bit of that.  I felt that God was telling me that since I didn't love his child when I was 17 what right did I deserve to be a mother now.  I only overcame my infertility when I just said "I trust you, Lord" and I literally felt pressure on my shoulder.  It was his hand.  If my mom wouldn't have advised me to get an abortion I would have a 24 yr old child now.  I think about that abortion all the time.  When my brother had his first kid my mom said "I'm finally going to be a grandmother".  I told her "You already were one, Mom, Remember?"  I don't know if she feels guilt for it.  We have never really talked about it.  But it's something that hangs around my neck daily and will until I die.  I have asked God for forgiveness and I'm sure he has given that to me.  I just don't know if I can ever forgive myself.

So when I see these people post that it was the best decision they made it only shows they are selfish.  A human being died so you could live your lifestyle.  It will affect you one day.  I promise that and if it never does....you were a lost soul to begin with.

I hope this doesn't make some of you hate me.  I do know that I would never do this to my daughters.  Abortion does ruin lives. Not just the baby but the would be mom. 

My dad still does not know to this day.

[ChuckJ]

The unborn baby she put the contract hit on was also a full human being.

Let’s fictionalize a bit here…

Let’s say that the unborn baby, unbeknownst to the Sherman chick, somehow survived the murder. Taken in by family with true love and compassion, the baby grew up to be successful in the healthcare field. The now grown baby, who we’ll just call B, opens some sort of intensive care clinic. B both owns and runs the clinic. One day, after some sort of accident, the Sherman chick is brought into the clinic owned by B. Due to the accident, the Sherman chick can’t move for nine months and will have to occupy one of B’s beds in B’s clinic. Due to the accident, the Sherman chick can’t breathe on her own for nine months and will have to be hooked up to one of B’s respirators. Due to the accident, the Sherman chick can’t eat on her own for nine months and will have to be fed by B. In other words, for nine months the survival of the Sherman chick is completely B’s responsibility.

About 2 weeks in B decides that he or she just “simply wasn’t ready” to care for someone like the Sherman chick. Does that give B the right to hire someone to go into B’s room in which the Sherman chick is occupying and rip the Sherman chick to death?

[Carl]

Gina,you just showed the difference between a decent soul that is the opposite of the its is all about me value of the left.
There is no changing the past only learning from it and trusting God for redemption and letting Him work through those things as a help to others.

[BlueStateSaint]

Gina,you just showed the difference between a decent soul that is the opposite of the its is all about me value of the left.
There is no changing the past only learning from it and trusting God for redemption and letting Him work through those things as a help to others.

I'd echo Carl, and add this--we all sin.  Every one of us.  If Our Lord Jesus Christ Forgave us, and died on the Cross for our sins, who are we to deny that to another soul who asks us for it?  As Carl said, if we trust God for redemption, we can be used by Him to help others.

No judgement here, Gina. 

[dixierose]

Ok. I'm going to lay out something that has scarred my heart. 

When I was a teen I got pregnant.  My mom said it would break my dad's heart if he ever found out and she whisked me away for an abortion.  I was a teen and thought it was nothing.  Little did I know how bad it would affect me later in life.  I went through 8 years of infertility where I had miscarriage after miscarriage and I felt I deserved every bit of that.  I felt that God was telling me that since I didn't love his child when I was 17 what right did I deserve to be a mother now.  I only overcame my infertility when I just said "I trust you, Lord" and I literally felt pressure on my shoulder.  It was his hand.  If my mom wouldn't have advised me to get an abortion I would have a 24 yr old child now.  I think about that abortion all the time.  When my brother had his first kid my mom said "I'm finally going to be a grandmother".  I told her "You already were one, Mom, Remember?"  I don't know if she feels guilt for it.  We have never really talked about it.  But it's something that hangs around my neck daily and will until I die.  I have asked God for forgiveness and I'm sure he has given that to me.  I just don't know if I can ever forgive myself.

So when I see these people post that it was the best decision they made it only shows they are selfish.  A human being died so you could live your lifestyle.  It will affect you one day.  I promise that and if it never does....you were a lost soul to begin with.

I hope this doesn't make some of you hate me.  I do know that I would never do this to my daughters.  Abortion does ruin lives. Not just the baby but the would be mom. 

My dad still does not know to this day.

I can sympathize with you because the same thing happened to me. My step-mom is the one who pressured me into a abortion. I also had two miscarriages before carrying my son full term. And I have also been forgiven.

I can't believe how some women can use abortion as a form of birth control....where is their conscious?

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Gina, ma'am,

Don't ever compare yourself to the mongrels at the DUmp.

If they had any better sense they would strive to be more like you.

[SVPete]

Concur with Carl, BSS and the SGT. I see plenty of room for myself in Paul's, "Such were some of you," list in 1 Corinthians 6 (and I'm sure he intentionally included himself). The important word in that context and this is "were". We're forgiven, and we've learned. A sadly large percentage of women who have had abortions suffer, and do not seek forgiveness, or. like the woman in the OP article, harden their hearts and even try to persuade other women to join them in their misery.

[ChuckJ]

Gina, ma'am,

Don't ever compare yourself to the mongrels at the DUmp.

If they had any better sense they would strive to be more like you.

Yeah. What Snug said.

[obumazombie]

Concur with Carl, BSS and the SGT. I see plenty of room for myself in Paul's, "Such were some of you," list in 1 Corinthians 6 (and I'm sure he intentionally included himself). The important word in that context and this is "were". We're forgiven, and we've learned. A sadly large percentage of women who have had abortions suffer, and do not seek forgiveness, or. like the woman in the OP article, harden their hearts and even try to persuade other women to join them in their misery.

Echo all.
And lest anyone consider themselves better, all sins are equal in the eyes of the Lord.
They all hurt him and us equally.

Now back to...

"Reproductive Justice" aka bullshit artist (hat tip to Snuggs)...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF2RYhNhBdw[/youtube]


NUTS...N-V-T-S...NUTS !

[Mary Ann]

Gina, my heart goes out to you. I pray that you will find peace, and learn to forgive yourself.

[Eupher]

I've done crazy shit to the point that I shouldn't be walking, talking breathing.

I know that God has forgiven me that crazy shit. More to the point, he has taken the burden I put on myself too.

[jukin]

I know the BSs will come but I think that up to a certain point it is a woman's choice. Europe has set that point at 20 weeks. Me I don't know what might be right. However, I do know that if you known that you are pregnant and haven't made up your mind within 16 weeks there is an issue.  Let's face it that some people not having kids is a good thing.  Those kids are going to be adopted because they will be kept. Those children will miserable and be nothing other than a great drain on overall humanity. Perhaps they will cause great pain to decent and civilized people. Realistically this is a hard truth but truth.

[BlueStateSaint]

I know the BSs will come but I think that up to a certain point it is a woman's choice. Europe has set that point at 20 weeks. Me I don't know what might be right. However, I do know that if you known that you are pregnant and haven't made up your mind within 16 weeks there is an issue.  Let's face it that some people not having kids is a good thing.  Those kids are going to be adopted because they will be kept. Those children will miserable and be nothing other than a great drain on overall humanity. Perhaps they will cause great pain to decent and civilized people. Realistically this is a hard truth but truth.

I'm not going to BS you, just suggest this:  Who died and left you God, to determine just who is "be nothing other than a great drain on overall humanity?"

You might want to think about that one for a while.

[thundley4]

I'm not going to BS you, just suggest this:  Who died and left you God, to determine just who is "be nothing other than a great drain on overall humanity?"

You might want to think about that one for a while.

Abortion may have already killed the people who God ordained to cure cancer, AIDS and innumerable other disease.

[MrsSmith]

I know the BSs will come but I think that up to a certain point it is a woman's choice. Europe has set that point at 20 weeks. Me I don't know what might be right. However, I do know that if you known that you are pregnant and haven't made up your mind within 16 weeks there is an issue.  Let's face it that some people not having kids is a good thing.  Those kids are going to be adopted because they will be kept. Those children will miserable and be nothing other than a great drain on overall humanity. Perhaps they will cause great pain to decent and civilized people. Realistically this is a hard truth but truth.

My first kid was due on my 19th birthday.  EVERYONE told me to abort, my friends, my parents.  No one pushed it, but everyone thought I was nuts to refuse.  I was in my first semester of college and "it would ruin my life."

That kid is now 37.  He served in the Army.  He used his GI Bill to get a Bachelor's degree.  He is a civilian employee of the Army now.  He has a beautiful 9 year old daughter who would not exist if I had listened to all those people that knew better than me.  He has never been a drain on humanity.  Realistically, the hard truth is that no human knows the future.  No human knows who should live and who should die.  If God doesn't want someone to live, He will end that life.  It is NOT a human responsibility.

When a human has taken that responsibility, God will forgive if we repent...just as with any sin. He can take all our sin and turn it to His purpose.  But to say we can ever out-know Him is so arrogant.

[I_B_Perky]

I know the BSs will come but I think that up to a certain point it is a woman's choice. Europe has set that point at 20 weeks. Me I don't know what might be right. However, I do know that if you known that you are pregnant and haven't made up your mind within 16 weeks there is an issue.  Let's face it that some people not having kids is a good thing.  Those kids are going to be adopted because they will be kept. Those children will miserable and be nothing other than a great drain on overall humanity. Perhaps they will cause great pain to decent and civilized people. Realistically this is a hard truth but truth.

I'll be honest with you jukin... the abortion issue for me is just not that important. I pretty much do not care one way or the other and never have. There are way more important issues facing this country right now than any social issue in my opinion.  It's like this: When your house is on fire, you do not worry about your 13 yr old daughter being pregnant. You get everyone out of the house and then worry about putting the fire out. Then rebuilding.

I gave you an H5 for your truthfulness. Along with Gina and Dixierose for the simple reason is that tough choices are tough to make.  I guarantee all of you that everyone on this little corner of the internet has made a tough choice or two and come to regret it later. I've made many. With that comes wisdom. 

[Carl]

I know the BSs will come but I think that up to a certain point it is a woman's choice. Europe has set that point at 20 weeks. Me I don't know what might be right. However, I do know that if you known that you are pregnant and haven't made up your mind within 16 weeks there is an issue.  Let's face it that some people not having kids is a good thing.  Those kids are going to be adopted because they will be kept. Those children will miserable and be nothing other than a great drain on overall humanity. Perhaps they will cause great pain to decent and civilized people. Realistically this is a hard truth but truth.

No BS from me either,it is a complex issue in many ways as most conservatives accept abortion as a medical procedure if the mothers physical life is in danger,others allowing in the case of rape including incestuous.

I am not sure that exact discussion will ever be totally resolved as to the morality of it and laws are instituted by the general populous moral opinion.

Whether one believes that abortion is always wrong,with no exceptions or that there are rare but legitimate incidents where it is indeed the moral thing to do that still does not transcend to the level of it being an easy and thoughtless option to facilitate selfish behavior without being conscious of the reality it is.

If we move to the latter as a people,then there really is almost no stopping point where innocent life can somehow be regarded and rendered valueless and I don`t think for a moment anything about your post is in disagreement with that or suggesting such.

[catsmtrods]

Gina, Me and my wife of 40 years have been down the same road. We regret it every day and wonder what would have been? We pray for Gods forgiveness and feel your pain. I have faith and feel I have been forgiven but still it haunts me. God love's you girl cause you have shown your reserve! 

[Movie buff- The Sequel]

Gina, I must agree that you won't have to worry about us judging you for your actions. You've clearly sought out God's forgiveness, and been granted it by Him, and are a valued member of this forum. You're nothing like the disgusting, selfish, thoughtless woman the DUmmies are singing the praises of with their original thread.

[FlaGator]

Actually they tip their hand as they make every effort to dehumanize a fetus. That they use language to describe the fetus in non-human terms, "clump of cells", "a virus", "a parasite", "invading foreign body", etc shows that they understand that aborting a human or potential human is wrong and is in fact murder. If they truly felt abortion was okay the why make the effort. Just say "I'm putting down my unborn child" or "I am killing my baby" and be done with it. They don't say these things because they know they are doing something that is an abomination.

[BlueStateSaint]

Gina, Me and my wife of 40 years have been down the same road. We regret it every day and wonder what would have been? We pray for Gods forgiveness and feel your pain. I have faith and feel I have been forgiven but still it haunts me. God love's you girl cause you have shown your reserve!

I feel the same way about you, cats.  Seek Him in all your endeavors, as difficult as it may be (and is daily for me).  If you ask Him for His Forgiveness, He will surely forgive you two.

[SVPete]

Actually they tip their hand as they make every effort to dehumanize a fetus. That they use language to describe the fetus in non-human terms, "clump of cells", "a virus", "a parasite", "invading foreign body", etc shows that they understand that aborting a human or potential human is wrong and is in fact murder. If they truly felt abortion was okay the why make the effort. Just say "I'm putting down my unborn child" or "I am killing my baby" and be done with it. They don't say these things because they know they are doing something that is an abomination.

The simple truth is that a human being is made at fertilization, when the genetic material from the egg and sperm come together to form a complete set of human chromosomes.

It's a living human being. It is uniquely human. It is unique from either the male or the female parent, though made using genetic material from both.

"Embryo" and "fetus" are stages of human development, not non-human entities. Just as infant, toddler, and adult are stages of human development.

As emotive as rape and incest are in the context of the discussion of abortion, the baby is innocent of those crimes, and should not be punished for those crimes by being killed. As horrible as being raped or being the victim of incest are, those crimes should noit be compounded by the far worse killing of an innocent and helpless human being.

Would I apply this thinking if I had a daughter who was raped or got pregnant outside of marriage? I have two unmarried daughters of childbearing years. I would not change my thinking were either to happen, and their thinking is like mine (and they are not intellectual sock-puppets or Stepford Daughters!).