ISIS executing 'educated women'

[dutch508]

Barry's religion of peace is at it again.

oberliner (27,949 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014993784

ISIS executing 'educated women' in new wave of horror, says U.N.
 

leftynyc (13,954 posts)
1. Of course they are. Educated women are the bane of the existence of all religious conservatives everywhere. Of course, the vast majority don't stone, behead or crucify them.

 

Xithras (15,137 posts)
15. The IS has zero problem returning the ME to the 10th century. Bureaucracy, sewers, running water, electricity, and hospitals are western creations. The slaves can dig wells to drink from, you can crap in the desert, and if Allah wanted you to have electricity and medicine, he would have given them to you.  You have to remember that the IS isn't about restoring the "golden age" of Islam. They exist to impose an orthodox and fundamentalist form of Islam that prohibits evils like dancing, art, and free thinking.

 

Exultant Democracy (6,155 posts)
17. Obviously you haven't the first clue about the Islamic world during the 10th century

First off they had a top notch bureaucracy in fact it the amazingly effective bureaucracy is given partial credit for the Islamic golden age under the Abbasid Caliphate.

They had running water, in the middle east long before they had it in Europe, hydro engineering was a specialty in the region for obvious reasons. The Abbasid's in particular loved to put fountains everywhere. The Greeks and the Romans had the same... a thousand years earlier.

Arabs were familiar with the concept of electricity and the atom in 1000 c.e. unlike their European counterparts. Europeans in the middle ages literally had no idea who Aristotle was until Islamic scholars reeducated them. The key word is REEDUCATED THEM. Roman world fell ue to outside invasions on the hordes from the east. Ironic that it's happening again.

Western Medicine is an invention of the Islamic world, while the Europeans might have had one bath a year the Muslims never forgot Galen and very much improved upon him and all the classical works. Moreover all of the Western natural sciences depend on advances made in the Islamic world. If it had not been for Islamic scholars there never would have been a European renaissance or scientific revolution. Again. western civilization collapsed with the fall of the Romans. The rebirth of eduacation and wisdom came later and eclipsed anything seen in the middle east- ever. Still.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
This article starts to scratch the surface, but suffice to say your post seems ignorant in the extreme in light of the basic facts.

Suffice to say the best thing that could happen for the people in the middle east is if their was a revival of their golden age, Isis is trying to do the opposite.

Xithras (15,137 posts)
18. Lol. I'm quite aware of the history of the ME.

The Islamic golden age was also a period of immense social inequity in the middle east. While life may have been good for the merchant and governing classes, nearly all of the population wasn't in those groups and lived in conditions that differed little from their bronze age forebears. Slavery flourished under the Abbasid's, and in fact it was during the 10th century that the Mamluk system was established and the Islamic world used entire slave armies to enforce its will and spread its reach into new areas. Women were forced into sex slavery by the tens of thousands, and boys as young as five were routinely sexually mutilated and enslaved to do the bidding of the upper classes.

For the average person during the Abbasid era, life was hell. Infant mortality rates reached 50%, childhood was over by age 8, there was no medical care, few could read, those without farmland or a hereditary trade had to compete against slaves for work, and could be forcibly enslaved if they were unable to find any. No commoners had running water or sewers in their homes. And none were permitted an education beyond what they could pick up at the local mosque. Most people ended up dead before they reached their mid 40's.

Life was great for the nobles elites who ran the place, but it's a fallacy to argue that life was anything but miserable for the commoners. It was a golden empire built on the back of misery and servitude. No wonder Barry wants to bring back the muslim empire.

The "good life" was limited to a privileged minority. That's exactly the world the IS is trying to recreate. 

DetlefK (3,782 posts)
39. Actually, it was islamists who destroyed the arabic science community in ME (very long article)

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/why-the-arabic-world-turned-away-from-science

Excerpts:

"In its place arose the anti-rationalist Ash’ari school whose increasing dominance is linked to the decline of Arabic science. With the rise of the Ash’arites, the ethos in the Islamic world was increasingly opposed to original scholarship and any scientific inquiry that did not directly aid in religious regulation of private and public life. While the Mu’tazilites had contended that the Koran was created and so God’s purpose for man must be interpreted through reason, the Ash’arites believed the Koran to be coeval with God — and therefore unchallengeable. At the heart of Ash’ari metaphysics is the idea of occasionalism, a doctrine that denies natural causality. Put simply, it suggests natural necessity cannot exist because God’s will is completely free. Ash’arites believed that God is the only cause, so that the world is a series of discrete physical events each willed by God."

...

"The greatest and most influential voice of the Ash’arites was the medieval theologian Abu Hamid al-Ghazali (also known as Algazel; died 1111). In his book The Incoherence of the Philosophers, al-Ghazali vigorously attacked philosophy and philosophers — both the Greek philosophers themselves and their followers in the Muslim world (such as al-Farabi and Avicenna). Al-Ghazali was worried that when people become favorably influenced by philosophical arguments, they will also come to trust the philosophers on matters of religion, thus making Muslims less pious. Reason, because it teaches us to discover, question, and innovate, was the enemy; al-Ghazali argued that in assuming necessity in nature, philosophy was incompatible with Islamic teaching, which recognizes that nature is entirely subject to God’s will: “Nothing in nature,” he wrote, “can act spontaneously and apart from God

Oops.

oberliner (27,949 posts)
33. The Abbasid Caliphate was no "Golden Age" for Muslim women

Males dominated society, segregating women in all aspects, with the exception of family. Harems and veils appeared and became representative of the females’ subjugation to males. Marriage occurred early for women with the goal of childbearing.

The seclusion of women and the veil become official policy under the Abbasid's. It was a giant step backwards for women in every respect. Female infanticide was a serious problem - and adult women were the property of their husbands and fathers.

ISIS represents a desire to return to this Golden Age in that respect (and many others - such as reintroducing slavery and making the Koran the law of the land). 

Double Ooops.

Exultant Democracy (6,155 posts)
34. So those lists of female scholars merchants and soldiers are bullshit?

Exultant Democracy (6,155 posts)
37. No this was just a list of a little over a thousand rock star women who made serious advances.

valerief (43,016 posts)
7. Most fundies just crush women's souls. nt

Trillo (8,391 posts)
9. The continuation of the use of "ISIS" instead of "IS" is what Orwell called "Newspeak".

It's probably an attempt to deflect the pagan origins of the term, so this is not only about some violent murderers in the Middle East killing educated females, it is also about relabeling an old Pagan term which was usurped by the Catholic Church into a new label of violence and contempt. The relabeling itself minus any violent acts would seem patriarchal.


(1) The Cult of Isis, an Egyptian mother-goddess religion, was absorbed into Christianity by replacing Isis with Mary. Many of the titles that were used for Isis, such as “Queen of Heaven,” “Mother of God,” and theotokos (“God-bearer”) were attached to Mary. Mary was given an exalted role in the Christian faith, far beyond what the Bible ascribes to her, in order to attract Isis worshippers to a faith they would not otherwise embrace. Many temples to Isis were, in fact, converted into temples dedicated to Mary. The first clear hints of Catholic Mariology occur in the writings of Origen, who lived in Alexandria, Egypt, which happened to be the focal point of Isis worship.

Rhinodawg (1,891 posts)
12. I can't believe the anti-muslim comments on this thread..

Look , you cant judge an entire rel....

never mind.

 

Exultant Democracy (6,155 posts)
31. In the middle ages an Islamic woman founded the worlds first University.

And at the time she was considered a hero of Islam. Today they are killing women for being educated. Says a lot about the radicalizing power of western imperialism.

Yes... It is the west's fault that the muslims because radicalized.

Exultant Democracy (6,155 posts)
36. There were female professors at the university of Cordoba and Valencia by 1000 c.e.

In fact the leading scholar in Islamic Spain during the period was a woman. Women worked in and made progress in every field of scholarship studied in the Islamic world. Making her one of the foremost scholars in the Islamic world during the Abbasid period. There were also plenty of notable schools for women in Baghdad too, training for instance surgeons among a number of other fields.

There are plenty of of boys and girls schools in America too. It doesn't change that kings came to study at Fatima al-Fihri's feet. Saying she only got where she got because of money is a very sexist dismissal of her standing as a foremost Islamic scholar. There were plenty of women with money, she got where she got because of vision and there was nothing in the Islamic world at the time in place to stop her in any way.

There were also school across the region that catered to women teaching everything male schools taught from religion and philosophy to science and especially medicine.

One is begining to belived that ED here is a paid muslim troll...

 

[JohnnyReb]

Any great knowledge the Muslims had, they stole.....and what the hell have they done with that great knowledge?

Under Islam women are only good for two things, sex and sandwiches.....mostly sex.

[Eupher]

Barry's religion of peace is at it again.
 
 
 
 
Oops.
 
Double Ooops.
 
 
 
Yes... It is the west's fault that the muslims because radicalized.
 
One is begining to belived that ED here is a paid muslim troll...

 

How does the paid muzzie troll in ED account for women being stoned to death for alleged infidelity? How does the paid muzzie troll in ED account for women having to dress up in gunny sacks?
How does the paid muzzie troll in ED account for women not being permitted to drive, hold political office, or do much of anything other than pump out a unit when her husband gets tired of humping camels?

 

Seems to me the paid muzzie troll in ED is stuck back in the 10th century and has completely forgotten about what happened yesterday in Taliban and IS-controlled territory.

[Donpeyote]

Primitives & DUmmie Islanders will never impugn Folks of Color & Cover (Arabs)

[DumbAss Tanker]

We should send a large delegation of NOW, Planned Parenthood, and the Congressional Democratic women over to speak to them harshly about this...with no bodyguards, since that would diminish their empowerment and intimidate the poor misunderstood Muslims.

 

[wasp69]

We should send a large delegation of NOW, Planned Parenthood, and the Congressional Democratic women over to speak to them harshly about this...with no bodyguards, since that would diminish their empowerment and intimidate the poor misunderstood Muslims.

 

Nah, send the stars of the DUmp - the KKKlams.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Nah, send the stars of the DUmp - the KKKlams.

Hell, send them all!

[wasp69]

Hell, send them all!

Actually, since only one of them has "bona fides", maybe that list can be whittled down to "Doctor" Alexandra K Bainesbane.  I'd love to see this hyper womynist finger-wag the islamokazies.

[thundley4]

[GOBUCKS]

The golden age of islam was when they started wiping their ass with their bare left hand, instead of both bare hands.

That was the peak of muzzie culture, and it hasn't advanced since.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

We should send a large delegation of NOW, Planned Parenthood, and the Congressional Democratic women over to speak to them harshly about this...with no bodyguards...

 

They would still be perfectly safe.

The article emphatically stated ISIS is only executing EDUCATED women.

[landofconfusion80]

They would still be perfectly safe.

The article emphatically stated ISIS is only executing EDUCATED women.

But that raises a whole other issue. What practical purpose would they serve to an islamist?  I guess you could strap them to the roof of your tent and hope the allies won't bomb them.

[DumbAss Tanker]

They would still be perfectly safe.

The article emphatically stated ISIS is only executing EDUCATED women.

Tsk, tsk, there is very little correlation between education and intelligence or critical thinking ability in this great land where we live.  Particularly with the loons under discussion here.

[98ZJUSMC]