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Offline Carl

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I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« on: January 07, 2015, 09:19:24 PM »
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I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
 
 Homophobic, sexist, anti-Semitic, pro-theocracy and anti-free speech. These ideas are all well within the mainstream of contemporary Islam.

Islam falls well short of the things progressives believe in.

And the fact that there are Christian fundamentalist wackos is no reason to give Islam a pass.

And it seems that whenever atheists mock or denounce evangelical Christians they are applauded by progressives, but when those same atheists (like Bill Maher) similarly mock or denounce Muslims there is either silence or anger from the American progressive left.

Try,what is the evidence of pure evil? for 1000
Wonder how long this will last.

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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:57 PM

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2. flame bait

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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:02 PM

 Nye Bevan (18,450 posts)
8. And what is calling the Catholic religion "one of the most offensive organizations that has ever existed"?

And calling the Catholic Church "the Mafia on steroids"? And Pope Francis a "bigoted son of a bitch"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2503141

And that OP got 133 recs!

With 2 words you have encapsulated the OP's point perfectly.

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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:59 PM

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5. You know why. (n/t)

Yes we do.

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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:00 PM

bemildred (79,116 posts)
7. That's because the question is mis-stated, the question is why progressives support

human rights for everybody (even when they are wrong), then it makes perfect sense.

Huh?

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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:04 PM

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9. I wonder why a "progressive" would write an OP like this

True,we all know what cockroaches think of sunlight.

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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:11 PM

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13. Because we're aware of what happens when an entire class of people is demonized

Especially when that class of people has no power or meaningful representation in our own society. Fundamentalist Christians have plenthy of power and influence in our society, while Muslims - fundamentalist or no - have none at all. So when a bunch of black-shirted firebrands start up yelping about how all 'those people" are to blame for the actions of three dickheads, yes, defensive lines form among actual progressives.

And yes, I am making a distinction between actual progressives, and those for whom progressivism is a fashon statement or, in yoru case, a fig leaf to justify hate.

The leftist mindset in a nutshell.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
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I can't believe what I am reading on this board today.

Can we get any more reactionary?


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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2015, 09:23:18 PM »
The left identifies with Islamists because both are hateful, closed minded, and rageful. They share common hatred and goals. Need I say more?
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2015, 09:54:01 PM »
Even the most moderate of muslims are antifeminism and anti-fag in the extreme. Almost all believe fags should die.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2015, 09:58:30 PM »
Hypocrisy has no bounds when it comes to the left.  :whatever:
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2015, 10:12:44 PM »
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I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam

Because progressives are idiots.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2015, 10:20:10 PM »
The most extreme Christians in this country believe that murdering unborn children is wrong, and shouldn't be funded by taxpayers.
The most extreme Muslim will behead you in the name of his "prophet." 

Dummies look at both of these individuals, and fears the Christian.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2015, 11:01:55 PM »
Carl had an interesting take on this same subject in another thread.
He concluded that the lib fascination with the "religion of peace" was 3 fold.
But I won't steal his thunder.
I hope he comes and expands on my insufficient relating of his thoughts.
I loved his reply.
If he doesn't come and expound I will link to it.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2015, 11:38:49 PM »
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29. And protect victims even more!

They have been the victims of the xians for centuries. The xians want them dead so we naturally want to protect and support them.

The low post mole is trying too hard.

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11. Perhaps it's because many can't distinguish between a so-called

Christian baker who refuses to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple and a state sponsored religion that will behead or hang that same couple.

I join in your confusion.

However, this low count troll won't last.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2015, 01:41:50 AM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on January 07, 2015, 09:23:18 PM
The left identifies with Islamists because both are hateful, closed minded, and rageful. They share common hatred and goals. Need I say more?

They also share a common enemy...America. 
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2015, 03:23:10 AM »
Quote from: txradioguy on January 08, 2015, 01:41:50 AM
They also share a common enemy...America.

Exactly. Democrats manage to unite so many polarized minority groups, such as gays and Muslims, who are natural enemies of each other, but join together over their greater hatred of America.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2015, 08:42:32 AM »
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I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
 
 Homophobic, sexist, anti-Semitic, pro-theocracy and anti-free speech. These ideas are all well within the mainstream of contemporary Islam.
Islam falls well short of the things progressives believe in.


Flame bait?  This is a VERY VALID question.  I applaud bluestateguy for asking a tough question that he knows will get him closer to a tombstone than ever before.  It's scary that they support a whole group of people/religion that is homophobic, sexist, anti-Semitic, pro-theocracy and anti-free speech.  Mind blowing.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2015, 09:17:57 AM »
Quote from: obumazombie on January 07, 2015, 11:01:55 PM
Carl had an interesting take on this same subject in another thread.
He concluded that the lib fascination with the "religion of peace" was 3 fold.
But I won't steal his thunder.
I hope he comes and expands on my insufficient relating of his thoughts.
I loved his reply.
If he doesn't come and expound I will link to it.

I appreciate your kind words and here was what I posted.

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First,they view them as a comrade in arms to an extent,after all they hate American capitalism just as they do so how can it be all that bad.
Naturally they feel that as a gratitude for not impeding them they will be spared the horrors of an islamist state.

Second is that it shows the lefts world view as hopelessly failed,there is actual evil that needs to be defended against.
This means that resources (money) has to be used to that end and that means those dollars can`t be given to them.

Lastly is they have a common enemy in Israel.
Nothing infuriates the Godless hatred of the left more then the existence of a Jewish state and its Biblical implications.
The vast majority of the left would happily see Israel destroyed tomorrow.

I will let the DUmbasses expound as they illustrate and occasionally admit each.

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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:52 PM

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154. Not being protective...being antiwar...

The great concern, I think, is that joining in outspoken denunciations of "Islamic extremism" will be taken by the Right as an endorsement of further U.S. military intervention in the Arab/Muslim world-perhaps even of the insane idea of bombing Iran.

Yes, religious extremism, like violent extremism of any stripe, needs to be condemned-but there's no way to moderate any form of extremism through the use of military force.

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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:16 PM

Star Member Dreamer Tatum (9,456 posts)
141. Because the RW dislikes Islam.


The Left often at least tacitly embraces anything the Right disregards.


That's pretty much it, and there isn't a lot of room for debate. Everyone on DU would rather relive the Bush years than live under Islamic rule and law. Know how I know? Because we lived through Bush and everyone is here to tell the tale.

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Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:27 PM

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21. A few points.

1) Muslims are a vulnerable minority in the West, making them very easy targets for hate crimes and otherization. Christians aren't; they're well-established in the cultural, religious, and political framework of the West. See also: "reverse racism", substituting white for Christian.

2) A lot of ire directed at Islam is so often blatantly two-faced. There's a select group of atheists who beat the drums for war against Islam, justifying it by claiming to stand up for women. At home, however, they treat women in secular movements like trash and go off on misogynistic tirades. For them, it's a war against religion, not defense of progressive values.

3) The obvious point: there are simply contrarians who will defend anything or anyone that falls into the role of current enemy of the West. Completely unprincipled

And before anyone implies otherwise, yes, I wholeheartedly believe Islam, as well as the other Abrahamic faiths, is incompatible with liberal democracy; however, I've no reason to treat Western Muslims any different than I would treat any other religious group, so long as they keep their religion out of our government.


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48. We see it as the enemy of Christianity which is associated with the GOP.

Their hatred of anything that is a Bible based religion on that thread is literally demonic in nature and speaks volumes about where their minds and souls are ruled by.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2015, 10:58:13 AM »
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Islam falls well short of the things progressives [Claim to] believe in.
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Fixed.  And 'Falls well short' is a ridiculous understatement, try 'Is the very antithesis' for a more accurate turn of phrase. 

It will fall on deaf ears at the DUmp anyway, all that matters to them is that Islam is an oppositional force to conventional order in the West, and therefore your fellow DUmpmonkeys can't say a bad word about it.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2015, 11:01:18 AM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on January 08, 2015, 10:58:13 AM
Fixed.  And 'Falls well short' is a ridiculous understatement, try 'Is the very antithesis' for a more accurate turn of phrase. 

It will fall on deaf ears at the DUmp anyway, all that matters to them is that Islam is an oppositional force to conventional order in the West, and therefore your fellow DUmpmonkeys can't say a bad word about it.

You nailed it.

Bull's-eye.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
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I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam

Let me condense it down to your bumper sticker mentality from one of your own DUmp rats, you non sentient sack of trash.

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57. Well, I hate Falwell more than I hate most Muslims...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026054516#post57

There, does it make sense now?
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2015, 05:25:26 PM »
They love their mortal enemies, and hate those who would try to save their immortal souls.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2015, 05:36:46 PM »
The enemy of my enemy(America) is my friend.....nuff said.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2015, 07:04:30 PM »
Quote from: wasp69 on January 08, 2015, 11:18:06 AM
Let me condense it down to your bumper sticker mentality from one of your own DUmp rats, you non sentient sack of trash.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026054516#post57

There, does it make sense now?

I'm disappointed King Charlie didn't get more Dummy of the Year Love?

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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2015, 08:32:27 PM »
Quote from: HawkHogan on January 08, 2015, 07:04:30 PM
I'm disappointed King Charlie didn't get more Dummy of the Year Love?

He's one of the biggest jack asses at the Dump.

Didn't he just spring onto the scene?  I don't seem to remember him before this last fall or so.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2015, 09:30:25 PM »
Quote from: txradioguy on January 08, 2015, 01:41:50 AM
They also share a common enemy...America. 

Yup. They hate the West.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
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Quote from: BlueStateSaint on January 08, 2015, 08:32:27 PM
Didn't he just spring onto the scene?  I don't seem to remember him before this last fall or so.

I think he saw his rise during the cop hating fiasco of Ferguson.  However, since August, he's been one of the biggest morons at the Dump.   This Muslim nonsense may get him into the top five next year. 
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2015, 05:57:41 AM »
Quote from: HawkHogan on January 08, 2015, 10:02:46 PM
I think he saw his rise during the cop hating fiasco of Ferguson.  However, since August, he's been one of the biggest morons at the Dump.   This Muslim nonsense may get him into the top five next year.

Yes, he's setting up well for next year.
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
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Re: I continue to wonder why progressives are so protective of Islam
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2015, 03:12:26 PM »
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29. And protect victims even more!

They have been the victims of the xians for centuries. The xians want them dead so we naturally want to protect and support them.

And with that, that's all of this thread I can take.  Hope you're doing permanent damage to your moonbat party, jen.

You should plan a hiking trip to one of these Muslim countries, Jen.  So you can protect and support them.  It'll be great!
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