Women and Guns on DU....

[dutch508]

Nuclear Unicorn (13,433 posts) http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172157716

Do women have the right to self-defense even if the chosen means of defense is a gun?


Discuss.

 

upaloopa (5,648 posts)
6. The OP seems to me to be there for some other reason other than the question asked.
No self respecting gunner is confused about the answer to that question.
I think this is a fishing expedition.

Nuclear Unicorn (13,433 posts)
16. What game? It's no more a game than asking do women have the right to:

* vote

* use contraceptives for reasons other than medical

* work outside the home

* get paid the same wage for the same work

* serve in the armed forces


These questions aren't games. They're prescient because there are some who like to exert control in the name of making a better world.

upaloopa (5,648 posts)
17. These posts of yours are designed to support gun ownership. Each person has a point if view that isn't going to change because of this OP.
Gun grabbers gun owners it is all a fun game here. I think we have exhausted the talking points. The fight now is who can raise enough money to fund the future legislation or stop it from being written.

upaloopa (5,648 posts)
29. I am not against gun ownership. I do think we can reduce gun violence through legislation that is being blocked by the gun lobby. The money is for that purpose.

upaloopa (5,648 posts)
37. I work for a county mental health department. We have very effective treatment. The problem is you can't treat people unless they come to you. We need the ability to have family intervention. 

The Germans had a very good mental health program in the early 1930s...

NYC_SKP (63,913 posts)
15. Do black men have the right to self-defense even if the chosen means of defense is a gun?

Fishing expedition?

Hardly. The OP question and mine both have the characteristics of inviting discussion and of making a point.

Are they provocative? Sure they are.

Do they contain ad homina like "gunner" and "fishing expedition? No, we don't need to resort to these things the way others seems to.

Both questions invite the open-minded reader to think for a moment about the most vulnerable and oppressed among us, and it's not difficult to picture a woman or a black man caught in a dangerous situation, no fault of their own, where self-defense becomes necessary.

Did you know that self defense is a natural and inalienable right?

In California it is, it's written right in the first paragraph of our Constitution, before freedom of speech!

ileus (11,329 posts)
19. Self defense with a gun is rude to society....don't be rude.

nichomachus (10,585 posts)
24. Do women have a right to self-defense

Even if the means of self-defense is putting rat poison in their husband's coffee?

Why or why not?

Discuss?

Interesting question. If the woman is abused to the point where she kills the man with rat posion there is such a thing as justifiable homicide.

The concept of justifiable homicide in criminal law stands on the dividing line between an excuse, justification and an exculpation. In certain circumstances, homicide is justified when it prevents greater harm to innocents. A homicide can only be justified if there is sufficient evidence to prove that it was reasonable to believe that the offending party posed an imminent threat to the life or well-being of another. To rule a justifiable homicide, one must objectively prove to a trier of fact, beyond all reasonable doubt, that the suspect intended to commit violence. A homicide in this instance is blameless and distinct from the less stringent criteria authorizing deadly force in stand your ground rulings.

So.... yes.

jen1980 (9 posts)
32. No, escalating the level of violence is a crime

sarisataka (4,504 posts)
40. Follow up question. when is the level of violence too high and a woman should stop defending herself?

 

Nuclear Unicorn has got to be close to being kicked off the island of misfit toys...

[Carl]

nichomachus (10,585 posts)
24. Do women have a right to self-defense

Even if the means of self-defense is putting rat poison in their husband's coffee?

Why or why not?

Discuss?

There is not a Klam on the Island that would condemn her for that,listen to any contrary opinion and in fact they would demand a shrine be built to her liberation.

[fatboy]

Nuclear Unicorn has got to be close to being kicked off the island of misfit toys...

I think you are correct.

[obumazombie]

Someone is playing with dynamite over there pitting one lib sacred cow against the other.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

That's a carry-over fight she's having with Fred Sanders.

He keeps telling the pro-2nd A Proglodytes they're pro-NRA.

She kept asking him if a woman had the right to defend herself from a rapist.

The little faggot has, to the best of my knowledge, refused to answer her.

[Wineslob]

Do women have the right to self-defense even if the chosen means of defense is a gun?

Yes, next question.

[landofconfusion80]

they seem very capable.







Fine examples of liberated women