Tobin S wants to know what the hell is wrong with DU

[I_B_Perky]

Now this ought to be good! Posted in the African American Forum.

The Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/118710884

The OP:

Tobin S. (7,064 posts)

I don't know what the hell is wrong with DU right now.

Last edited Sun Dec 28, 2014, 08:46 AM - Edit history (1)
*****ATTENTION: THIS IS POSTED IN THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN GROUP*****

It doesn't look like it is possible to talk about black issues right now without spawning a barrage of threads bemoaning racism against white folks. I have been a member of DU for a long time and I don't remember a time before now when there was basically a virtual race war going on in GD. I'd like to think that it was mostly due to trolls, but I know that's not the case.

*White people here do not seem to understand that without the black community the Democratic party is powerless*

That fact alone should make white liberals very open to and understanding of black issues. However, ignorance abounds basically because people can't open their minds long enough to listen and consider ideas that are probably foreign to them. Yes, that takes effort.

I do not have the solutions to solve all of the problems regarding race in America. I do know one thing, though. As a white person it is very important for me to have an open mind on the issue. What that basically means for me is shutting up about it and really listening to black people. I wish more white people would do the same, but apparently it's too much to ask.

Away we go....

1StrongBlackMan (16,052 posts)
1. Black folks here have been the long dead canaries in the DU coal mine ...

what you are observing is what Black folks on DU have long been lamenting.

That would go a long way to resolving the race problems in America.

ETA: Now ... Brace yourself ... you guilt ridden race traitor!

Says the racist.

JDPriestly (46,684 posts)
7. I think that many of us white folks are shutting up about and really reading the posts of

our black contributors.

That said.

The posts that are offending our black brothers and sisters on DU are, since the rest of us are just reading and "listening" posted by people who have not yet worked through or recognized their own inner conflicts about racism.

As I have said many times, we are increasingly a society that is not just white and black but rather a society of people of mixed race.

And when people start checking out their DNA, they are likely to discover to what extent they, as Americans are already of mixed race. So many Americans think they are just one race but actually have ancestors of other races.

Please understand that most white people just don't know what to do about racism. It's like a cultural wave, a tsunami that reaches us and touches us all but that is beyond the control of the individual. It's an aching problem for many of us. It is an opportunity to be cruel for a great many. It is an issue to ignore for most.

But the offensive posts on DU do not reflect the majority view of whites on DU who just feel powerless at the hate and lack of understanding.

Right.

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Hmmm....

upaloopa (5,593 posts)
3. Because someone is Black that doesn't

mean they are infallible. Shut up if you want to but don't run other's lives for them.

Wonder what was in that deleted comment.

Tobin S. (7,064 posts)
4. Holy shit!

Well, I'm a trucker from Indiana. I have enough of a problem running my own life to be concerned about yours.

Nobody said anything about anyone being perfect. The main problem is that a lot of white people aren't open enough to consider black issues without getting defensive, as you have perfectly illustrated.

I'll consider their issues when they pull up their pants, get a job, and quit burning down their hood every time they don't get their way.

upaloopa (5,593 posts)
11. You don't know shit about me.

Your blanket statements and definition of me after only a few words shows your inability to deal with reality.
You feel good saying what you want fine but realize it is your opinion not truth.

Black/white cat fight?

Tobin S. (7,064 posts)
15. I haven't claimed to know anything about you!

You seem to be the one have a hard time dealing with reality. I have definitely struck a nerve here. I know that's true.

You have a problem with me asking white people to open their minds to what black people have to say. That's definitely true. That's real.

Yep!

Tommymac (1,455 posts)
48. DingDingding We have a winner! Upaloopa - you just proved the OP's point.

Have an Exciting and Interesting New Year!

randys1 (4,469 posts)
106. You hit it on the nose there, racism is a white and white ONLY problem in america and most white

folks in america, including liberals, are so selfish when it comes to guarding white privilege, and to some extent this even applies to liberal whites like myself and others here.

We were born with a privilege that is so encompassing that we cant see it ourselves and yet it is glaringly obvious to the non white Americans.

Wait... I thought the dems were not racist?

1StrongBlackMan (16,052 posts)
151. As you see/will see ...

every mention of any Black injustice will be met with a chorus of white DUers that take it as an accusation directed at them personally.

DU is racist!!!

JustAnotherGen (14,142 posts)
170. You saw it too eh?

DU is racist!!!

bravenak (8,379 posts)
6. They may know more about black issues than you do though.

So, infallible or not, we know about our issues than you so rather than be nasty in the African American group, you can politely not accuse posters in this group of trying to run YOUR life. This is a group, not a forum.

DU is racist!!!

JustAnotherGen (14,142 posts)
53. I warned him brave - no more "shut up" or he will be blocked

So does that mean the dummie is blocked from that forum?

bravenak (8,379 posts)
57. Good.

I do not like it one bit

Whitey pissing me off!!!

brer cat (3,152 posts)
8. You are posting in a group,

not GD. If you can't be civil and respectful, you don't need to be here. There was absolutely no need to piss on Tobin S's thread.

Wait for it...

upaloopa (5,593 posts)
13. I didn't piss on anyone's thread.

This blanket description of White people is what is wrong with so much here at DU.
Unless you get in line behind all the condemnations you are pissing on someone.

BainsBane (29,245 posts)
16. Your responses in this thread

reveal a great deal about who you are.

Racist!!!


This is but a small sample. Well worth rowing over and reading.

[Chris_]

There are black folks on DU?

I hadn't noticed.

[USA4ME]

Tobin S.

*White people here do not seem to understand that without the black community the Democratic party is powerless*

Let me explain something to you, and it's late, so I'll be blunt: Blacks in the Dem party are about to be displaced by the Mexicans and other Latinos. They don't need you anymore. Welcome your return to the back of the bus, as if the liberal Dems ever intended to let you sit anywhere else.

.

[Wineslob]

[Carl]

Guess what DUmbasses...when your party promises goodies and panders to every group they can find some actually stupidly think they mean it.

The dozen or so blacks at the DUmp have watched the screeching faggots and klawing klams all battle to be the queens and kings of the hill and now think it is there turn to take it over.

[SVPete]

Whatever is wrong with DU, I'm sure a D6 with a dozer blade would be helpful.

[DumbAss Tanker]

Guess what DUmbasses...when your party promises goodies and panders to every group they can find some actually stupidly think they mean it.

The dozen or so blacks at the DUmp have watched the screeching faggots and klawing klams all battle to be the queens and kings of the hill and now think it is there turn to take it over.

Like the Democrat Party as a whole, DU is a collection of disparate identity-politics freeloaders whose real interest in ideology is limited to how much cash could be in it for them (Nominally for their identity group, but in reality a DUmmie's real interest is just how much that individual DUmmie gets for his/her/its cut when the identity group's ship comes in).  Almost without exception their politics are driven by simple egomaniacal greed (For dictatorial dominance over all other groups rather than money in the case of the KKKlams and gay mafia, rather than money) with no vision of how to handle the larger and longer-term concern of exactly how American society could possibly provide their particular pet rock.

Remove that linchpin, and their party falls apart.  Unfortunately that greed for unearned wealth or power over others is a deeply-ingrained ugliness of human nature, a truly base instinct.  It is almost impossible for any measure of harsh reality about limited means, or the lack of fairy godmothers or absence of Skittles-shitting unicorns, to penetrate to the lizard-brain level of comprehension necessary to do that.  Instead, the egotistical mind simply rationalizes that their own group will get their cut before their entire sociopathic coalition completely breaks the bank.

[Carl]

Like the Democrat Party as a whole, DU is a collection of disparate identity-politics freeloaders whose real interest in ideology is limited to how much cash could be in it for them (Nominally for their identity group, but in reality a DUmmie's real interest is just how much that individual DUmmie gets for his/her/its cut when the identity group's ship comes in).  Almost without exception their politics are driven by simple egomaniacal greed (For dictatorial dominance over all other groups rather than money in the case of the KKKlams and gay mafia, rather than money) with no vision of how to handle the larger and longer-term concern of exactly how American society could possibly provide their particular pet rock.

Remove that linchpin, and their party falls apart.  Unfortunately that greed for unearned wealth or power over others is a deeply-ingrained ugliness of human nature, a truly base instinct.  It is almost impossible for any measure of harsh reality about limited means, or the lack of fairy godmothers or absence of Skittles-shitting unicorns, to penetrate to the lizard-brain level of comprehension necessary to do that.  Instead, the egotistical mind simply rationalizes that their own group will get their cut before their entire sociopathic coalition completely breaks the bank.

Much like the vermin in Europe who were rioting for government handouts when said governments were so broke they couldn`t buy a roll of toilet paper.
Endless posts of all that they are owed and deserve with the only answer for how it can happen is "take it from someone else".
It is why just about every thread on the island of misfit throwbacks devolve into a fight of some kind.
There entire being is a seething sack of hatred,anger,jealousy,selfishness and cravings for attention.
They all have to elbow the next mutant out of the way less they get more slop at the trough.

Lord Of The Flies was written in 1954 but was as accurate a picture and prophesy of what a leftist wasteland looks like.
It foresaw the DUmp to perfection.

[obumazombie]

The racists in our country (the libs) and especially the owebumaManiaMedia found a speck of a speck in their opponent's eye...

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2014/12/30/big-three-networks-pounce-gop-rep-speaking-white-nationals-2002

It's amazing how the libs make an earthshattering story out of a total non story, if it will cause a conservative to be shown in a bad light.

[fatboy]

Tobin S. (7,064 posts)
4. Holy shit!

Well, I'm a trucker from Indiana. I have enough of a problem running my own life to be concerned about yours.

Nobody said anything about anyone being perfect. The main problem is that a lot of white people aren't open enough to consider black issues without getting defensive, as you have perfectly illustrated.

I seem to recall that the steady minded Tobin S. attended night school and after years of hard study received his B.A. in Sociology or some other ology.

[GOBUCKS]

I seem to recall that the steady minded Tobin S. attended night school and after years of hard study received his B.A. in Sociology or some other ology.

DUmmy Tobin S. isone of the mainstays of the DUmp loonybin.

He's a lifelong nut.

[BlueStateSaint]

I seem to recall that the steady minded Tobin S. attended night school and after years of hard study received his B.A. in Sociology or some other ology.

Probably Scatology.

[HawkHogan]

Let's have a real discussion on race...only black members can join this discussion.

[I_B_Perky]

Seems that 1StrongBlackMan has made another thread whining about the original. Put in what may have been some deleted comments in the thread. He/she/it put it in General Discussion. Looks like a racial war may be starting at the dump.

Link here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026019528

The title: DU ... Just So You Know, It's NOT Our Imagination ...

The OP:

1StrongBlackMan (16,102 posts)

DU ... Just So You Know, It's NOT Our Imagination ...

Last edited Tue Dec 30, 2014, 01:27 AM - Edit history (1)
Posted FROM the African-American Group:

Message to the blacks on DU (how to be a good ally)

Dear black people,

1) Just because white people don't agree with you, it doesn't mean they haven't listened to you. Do not demand that white people shut up and listen to you when you're not willing to do the same.

2) The world does not revolve around you. You are not special, so don't expect to be treated as if you are. If you're offended or outraged, that's just too bad. There's no law that protects you against hurt feelings.

3) You do not get to tell white people what they need to be doing or saying. Learn some respect and humility.

4) You are not an "oppressed group". You live in a First World country, the wealthiest in the world. We have a generous welfare state that provides for your every need. You have a home, access to clean, running water, central heating, and so much food that many of your people are morbidly obese, while there are people in the world who are starving. You have access to some of the best education in the world, and some of the best healthcare. There are genuinely oppressed people in the Third World who could only dream of having the opportunities and privileges that you have.

5) No black person alive today was ever a slave, and no white person alive today ever owed slaves, so get over it. Nobody owes you anything. Spare us the "300 years of oppression and suffering". There are no 300 year old black Americans, and you have suffered no more than the average white American.

6) Do not accuse whites of being racist. You are far more racist, so check your own racism first and ask yourself, did I do anything to provoke this?


You have created a huge divide in American society. This will be difficult to overcome, but not impossible. All it requires is that black America takes a good, honest look at itself, and stops blaming whites for their own failures.


Regards,

White America


and this:

There are three main things contributing to the death of DU.

The first was the creation of the African American and feminist groups. The more prescient DUers commented at the time that this would only divide people, create a clique-like environment and create safe havens for extremists. Over time, the bullying and alert-stalking of the rest of DU by these two groups created a very hostile atmosphere and it killed open debate.

The second thing was the daily threads pushing the "white male privilege" meme, and more recently the "cultural appropriation" meme. Having people constantly abuse and shit all over you while telling you you're actually a member of the privileged class is too absurd to take seriously. DU obviously doesn't do irony. Telling people their opinion doesn't matter because they're a white male is no better than telling someone their opinion doesn't matter because they're a black female. Both are wrong. Equally wrong were the black people telling white people to shut up because they couldn't possibly understand what it's like to be black, while these same people think they know everything how about white people think and feel. At some point, the sane DUers were going to stand up and fight back.

The third thing was the automatic support given to certain criminals, just because they were black, and the demonization of the people who killed them. It started with Trayvon Martin, continued with Michael Brown and Vonderritt Myers, and it's still continuing with Antonio Martin. Even after it was proven that George Zimmerman and Darren Wilson acted in self-defense, certain DUers continued to lie about what happened, and supported the criminals. We now had the "police brutality" meme. This has divided not just DU, but the whole country. It seems like some kind conflict is unavoidable at this point, unless the blacks back down and apologize.

The only thing that can save DU at this point is making it more open, especially to more conservative views. MIRT is one of the biggest obstacles to free discussion at DU right now, and should really be retired.

One final point. Several of the people responsible for creating the toxic atmosphere at DU are posting right in this thead - BainsBane, bravenak, Cha and JustAnotherGen, among others. Banning these people would improve the morale of DU immensely.



And my personal favorite:

Such dirty ugly people, and they all smell of wet dog and mayonnaise, am I right? ******.

When you call white people crackers, they have a right to call you ******.


And this is from a single thread in the AA Group. Now ... This very well my be hidden as a Meta post; but, the fact that DUers feel comfortable enough to post the above in a Group, is should suggest (should this last long enough to be read ...) remove any doubt as to Member's of Colors observation that it is open season on Black folks on DU ... It is not our imagination.

And while, each of these posts were removed, it appears high time more DUers express that this is unacceptable.

This thread is a huge bonfire too. I won't bring any of it over. Lots of "Amen" and "that is horrible" comments.   

[Tess Anderson]

I seem to recall that the steady minded Tobin S. attended night school and after years of hard study received his B.A. in Sociology or some other ology.

from his self-supplied bio:

Education
Indiana University
Bachelor's Degree, Business Administration, Degree will be conferered on 12/31/14
2012 – 2014
I went to Wright State University after I graduated high school, but only completed two years of study at that time. When I wanted to go back to school in 2012 to finish my degree, all of my credit from back then transferred to IU. I attended the East campus here in Richmond.
Activities and Societies: Member of Delta Mu Delta honor society for academic excellence in a business major.

 

[fatboy]

Well I got part of it correct. Big thinker that Tobin S.

Business major driving a truck and posting  "please help me" messages in the mental health sub-forum at the insane asylum.

[Carl]

Seems that 1StrongBlackMan has made another thread whining about the original. Put in what may have been some deleted comments in the thread. He/she/it put it in General Discussion. Looks like a racial war may be starting at the dump.

Link here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026019528

The title: DU ... Just So You Know, It's NOT Our Imagination ...

The OP:

This thread is a huge bonfire too. I won't bring any of it over. Lots of "Amen" and "that is horrible" comments.   

In other words,"screw reality,there is nothing free in it for me".

[98ZJUSMC]

*White people here do not seem to understand that without the black community the Democratic party is powerless*

 



Oh,........ we know.

paloopa (5,593 posts)
3. Because someone is Black that doesn't mean they are infallible.

Oh, please.   Most of you assholes need knee replacements from all the reflexive genuflecting.

Randys1 (4,469 posts)
106. You hit it on the nose there, racism is a white and white ONLY problem in america and most white

folks in america, including liberals, are so selfish when it comes to guarding white privilege, and to some extent this even applies to liberal whites like myself and others here.

We were born with a privilege that is so encompassing that we cant see it ourselves and yet it is glaringly obvious to the non white Americans.

Sorry.  I must do this......



...you're too stupid to live.

[SVPete]

Seems that 1StrongBlackMan has made another thread whining about the original. Put in what may have been some deleted comments in the thread. He/she/it put it in General Discussion. Looks like a racial war may be starting at the dump.

Link here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026019528

The title: DU ... Just So You Know, It's NOT Our Imagination ...

The OP:

This thread is a huge bonfire too. I won't bring any of it over. Lots of "Amen" and "that is horrible" comments.   

Dang! 1SBM skillfully managed to provide examples of what "White America" referred to. 1SBM may work out at the gym, and be strong in that sense, but the dude sure is weak when it comes to living in and acknowledging reality.

  For what little it's worth, two of my grandparents came to the US in the 20th Century, another either came to the US in the late 19th Century or was the child of parents who came at that time, and my fourth grandparent was the child of Northerners. So none of my ancestors were slave owners, and as "White America" suggested, that is true of many, if not most, "white" Americans.

  Frankly, I don't think the great-great-grandchildren (maybe a couple more "greats" should be added to that) of slave owners have anything or anyone to apologize for or to: they aren't oppressing anyone; they aren't living off what slaves helped earn; none of the blacks they may encounter were ever slaves, nor were their parents, nor were their grandparents, nor were their great-grandparents.

  IMO, many among blacks need to abandon the Victim-Confrontation approach of W. E. B. DuBois and go back to Booker T. Washington's approach of blacks making themselves indispensable members of their local communities. Washington's approach doesn't give instant gratification or revenge and is hard work, but it will actually work (and for many blacks, it already has!).