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Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« on: December 27, 2014, 08:02:29 PM »
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Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
In 1988, I killed a man of color in the process of enforcing American law. An ensign in the Coast Guard, we were doing drug interdiction mostly. Some of the smugglers would runs, but, once we had them cornered, once they saw that our guns were drawn, they surrendered. Except for one time.

It was a small boat from Panama. Two men, both Hispanic, on board. We intercepted, they stopped their vessel immediately, but then decided to fight. (To this day, I can't fathom why: The cocaine they were transporting had an '88 street value of less than $60,000: Chump change!)

My CO ordeed myself and another man to "show," which was his code for going to the side of our ship with weapons visible. In this one case, the smugglers opened fire, one man's bullet missing my head by more than a foot, whereupon I shot him twice in the chest. My CO did the same to the other smuggler. They both dies shortly thereafter.

Here's the thing: I felt remorse. I lost sleep for a couple of weeks, even though the brass investigated and, in the parlance of TV cop shows, deemed it "a clean shoot."

Eventually, I expressed this to my CO, whom I knew had killed twice before. To my surprise, he told me that he, too, had felt regret about the actions we had taken that day. He said to me, "Son, you're not SUPPOSED to feel good about it."

And this brings me back to my headline: Darren Wilson has expressed not one iota of sorrow over his killing of a young man who didn't even have a weapon! He says he has slept soundly, no regrets, the whole "if I had to do it again" bullshit.

To me, this is evidence of psycopathy., and I hope Mr. Wilson never again has a job in any sector of law enforcement, though I strongly suspect that such hope will be dashed, if it hasn't already.

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69. This story is a blatant LIE

 
I am not discussing the "lesson" the OP is trying to impart here, and I will not delve into the political spectrum here. However his story of being a Coast Guard Ensign in 1988 and killing a man (any man) during a drug interdiction patrol at that time frame is, I believe, not true.

I will give you many reasons why this story is a fabrication. I recently retired from the Coast Guard as a Senior Chief Boatswain Mate. I was an operator for almost all of that career, and attending their senior law enforcement school (sounds cool, but not really). I have also written about Coast Guard history, and am a paid author about Coast Guard history and operations.

First reason: The entire Coast Guard is a smaller force (about 35,000) than the New York City Police Department (about 45,500). If a New York cop shoots a suspect, every other cop in New York is going to know about it in just a few days. Now, maybe the office assistant for the undersecretary of janitorial services for the #th district of the New York Police Department won't know about it, but every COP on the beat is going to know about it. I was an operator for almost all of my career, and I damn well knew about every major Coast Guard law enforcement action during that career.

Second: Coast Guard Ensigns are typically brilliant idiots (meaning incredibly smart, but young and naive), and nobody gives them a gun unless there is a Chief right behind them making sure they don't hurt themselves. NOBODY would EVER have given an Ensign a gun (presumably a long gun) and told them to go to the side of the ship to "show" their weapon. This is NOT, and since the Civil War HAS not, been the role of an Ensign on any Coast Guard ship. If the OP had said he was a "gunner's mate", or "boatswain mate", then this story would have used at least the right character, but in this case, it is simply an imaginary actor.

Third: The Coast Guard has reporting requirements for incidences, called Situation Reports (or SITREPS). Even back in 1988 a Commanding Officer would NEVER have fired a hostile shot unless it was immediately reported via SITREP. In about 1992 the Coast Guard added a LEREP (Law Enforcement Report) requirement for anything as small as an officer using more than "level 2" (defined as giving verbal commands" against a subject). These SITREPS were put together in reports from the Coast Guard Office of Law Enforcement and distributed to the field as learning aids. There was NEVER a SITREP concerning a Coastie (let alone an Ensign) getting shot at by a Panamanian drug smuggler and returning lethal fire.

Fourth: The Coast Guard, even way back in 1988, required every single cutter, boat, or unit to account for each and every bullet expended. This was a requirement for far longer than what I remember, and comes from the NAVY, from which we get our ammunition from. This means that any ammunition fired operationally would HAVE to be reported as an operational expenditure. If someone wants to get conspiratorial (in the realm of the twin towers being brought down by our own government), then YES, it is theoretically possible to get an entire crew of a ship (because everyone will know when a round is fired) to agree to lie, including the "career" guys who were not involved in the shooting yet would lose their careers if it came out that they covered it up. However, remember, this is the incredibly small Coast Guard, and human nature is that "people talk". I, and every other senior person from 1988 onward, would have heard about this.

Fifth, his Commanding Officer would not have "killed twice before" unless his CO had perhaps been an ENS or LtJg during Operation Markettime during the Vietnam Conflict. Even then I do not believe any CO or XO of a patrol boat during Operation Markettime ever directly engaged the enemy and got a KIA, let alone TWO.

Lastly, the supposedly Lieutenant Commander Fitzomething has been in the Coast Guard for 30 years, and is soon making Commander and "getting his own boat". This also reeks of bull excrement. The very few Lieutenant Commander's the Coast Guard has who have been in for approaching 30 years are prior enlisted guys who went to OCS. These are guys who are subject matter specialists (naval engineering, electrical engineering, civil engineering, etc) who are the technocrats, NOT the ship-driving officer corps. For those who were Ensigns in 1988, most are now Captains (O-6), or AT LEAST Senior Commanders. If you want proof, look at the biography of ANY "Coast Guard Sector Commander", who are all O-6s.

Now, we are all wrong sometimes. And I am certainly an imperfect human being. So I will make (the supposedly) Lieutenant Commander Ryan Fitzomething a deal. You send me an email to Boatswain2PA@gmail with details of who you are, and I will ask some of my friends up in D17 (Alaska) if you are for real. If you are, I will come back on this board and publicly apologize, and I will send you a bottle of wine for you to share with your wife as my apologies for calling you a liar.

Of course, telling truth to idiots gets you banned at the DUmp.

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77. This story doesn't make sense.

You have stated that you are a LCDR, and making “full CDR” and “getting your own boat”. That means you would have been screened in 2014 for command of said “boat”.

Anyone can see who screens for command in the Coast Guard. From the 2014 Senior Command Screening Panel released last September(you can find this here: http://www.uscg.mil/announcements/alcgoff/099-14_ALCGOFF.txt), you can see that there were a whopping FIVE LCDR’s in the entire Coast Guard who screened for command afloat.

FIVE of them. If you were telling the truth (making CDR and getting “your own boat”) you would be one of these FIVE LCDR’s who screened for senior command afloat this year.

You can cross reference their names in the Register of Coast Guard Officers, available here: http://www.uscg.mil/opm/Opm1/Opm1docs/2014%20Register%20FINAL%20print.pdf. Looking at their names in the Register you can see that two of them received their commission in 1998, and the other three received their commission in 1999.

That was a full 10 years AFTER you claim to have been an Ensign and shot a man.

I am not going to call you a liar, because that would get me banned from this site. But anyone can look at the Coast Guard Register of Officers (linked above) and see that there is not LCDR in the entire Coast Guard who was an ensign in 1988.

WillPitt can't be bothered by checking out those pesky things called facts.

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55. Powerful story.

Thank you for sharing it, and for your service, and welcome to DU.


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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2014, 08:17:50 PM »
I am not sure I like a mole pretending any kind of military service but knew it was one when this thread first appeared last week.

For the drunken Pitt of 24 business hours fame to respond to a person with that screen name is hilarious.


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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2014, 08:21:20 PM »
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74. I'm Flattered Than You Signed Up to DU Just For Me!

Less than 24 hours ago, at that.

Now, let me take a wild guess: If I provide you with all of my professional (scholastic, as well?) details, you will donate $5 million to the charity of my choice. Right?

No thanks, Trump Troll.

PS: This is my first and last communication to you. I go now to wash my hands.

Busted!  Kudos to Boatswain2PA for dismantling Ryan Fitzomething's tall tale.
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2014, 08:23:26 PM »
The fact that our educational system and culture produces so many who expect anyone who kills in fully-justified conditions, to then become incoherent with tearful remorse, is why we have runaway PTSD problems.

The death of people who are trying to kill me does not trouble me in the least, though excessive celebration is generally in rather poor taste.
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2014, 08:28:11 PM »
DUmmy Ryanwhatever was the second-most decorated man in the Coast Guard.

All the black sailors wanted him to be their slave owner.

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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2014, 08:32:31 PM »

WillPitt can't be bothered by checking out those pesky things called facts.


Facts? He don' need no steenkin' facts!

Pitt already had 2,500 words written for another alcohol-fueled TruthOut exclusive, proving conclusively that Darren Wilson shot Saint Swisher of Sweets on the orders of George W Bush. With this OP, he has the last piece of the puzzle!
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2014, 08:35:57 PM »
Facts? He don' need no steenkin' facts!

Pitt already had 2,500 words written for another alcohol-fueled TruthOut exclusive, proving conclusively that Darren Wilson shot Saint Swisher of Sweets on the orders of George W Bush. With this OP, he has the last piece of the puzzle!

I heard that he was going to break the news about an indictment happening in 24 business hours.
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2014, 08:42:12 PM »
I heard that he was going to break the news about an indictment happening in 24 business hours.

He has so much alcohol-induced brain damage, that Fitzmas would be a fresh new exclusive for him- again!
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2014, 09:26:37 PM »
 :o

Not 100 % sure, but there's a good chance Hollis is back.

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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2014, 09:32:38 PM »
Pretty sure Officer Wilson's "remorse" evaporated once he found the oversized thug trying to grab his weapon to kill him with it.

What happened after that, I won't speculate.
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2014, 09:32:48 PM »
:o

Not 100 % sure, but there's a good chance Hollis is back.

That was my first thought too, but the writing style seems to lack Tom's flair.

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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2014, 09:39:15 PM »
That was my first thought too, but the writing style seems to lack Tom's flair.
Has he mentioned anything about his family settling in Texas during the 17th century?
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2014, 09:53:51 PM »
I don't think it's TiT, but I think it is a mole that is attempting to base his/her character on TiT.

TiT would have done a better job making up the "shot a man" story.
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2014, 10:01:35 PM »
A bouncy involving the poster killing someone in self defense. The Dummies have reached new heights. 

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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2014, 11:15:18 PM »
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82. You got caught

You are not an active duty LCDR. Face it, you got caught in a lie.

There is even a thread about you by real Coasties here: http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/415197802/m/1860094613001

For the record, the USCG Global Address List shows nobody stationed in Juneau as a LCDR with a name of "Ryan", much the less a 52 LCDR commissioned in 1985 who is well past mandatory high year tenure point of 6/2005 when he would have been forced put for failure to promote with his year group.

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Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:21 PM

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83. His lie claimed he was commissioned in 1985

...which is impossible. As it was pointed out those officers in year group '85 still remaining on active duty are Serving in the grade of Captain/O-6 or higher (Flag rank) by this time.

Furthermore, by 1988 he would have been a LTJG/O-2.

"Ryan" banked on nobody from the actual Coast Guard catching him in his lie which worked out fine, until it didn't.

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Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:38 PM

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87. His own profile

...he claims he was commissioned in 1985.

Furthermore, no way he would have been an ENS in 1988 as he claims. Year Group 1985 officers were all promoted to LTJG/O-2 in 1986!!!!

He can't even make stuff up with a plausible timeline that makes sense.

http://forums.military.com/eve/forums?m=1860094613001&a=tpc&f=415197802

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Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:43 PM

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90. http://forums.military.com/eve/forums?m=1860094613001&a=tpc&f=415197802

No worries! Rex. Just wanted to show how his story doesn't measure up.

No way he would have been an ENS for three years like he claims. The math doesn't add up.

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Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:32 PM

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85. Apparently he would rather censor BMCS' posts than accept an offer to set the record straight

...because he could put this to rest easily. He hasn't though.

Meanwhile actual Coasties are apparently not very happy with his Stolen Valor scheme: http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/415197802/m/1860094613001

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93. True...

...but the key is "Ryan" would have to have gained a financial,benefit from presenting himself as something he isn't. Unsure if concocting a story here on DU meets the criteria.

The fact that "Ryan" didn't email The Senior Chief Boatswains Mate to set the record straight and instead sought to censor a Careeer Coast Guardsman's posts here shows more about "Ryan" than anything the Senior Chief posted in exposing "Ryan's" story as a forgery.

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97. I have never understood these kind of guys...

...as they are never content with impersonating ordinary servicemen/women. The fakes are always pretend SEALs, Rangers, Green berets! Coast Guard Law Enforcement 'officers' (sic), etc. Most like the OP impersonate flamboyantly and poorly. And when they get caught red handed, are enough of a sociopath personality to try and accuse those whose valor they stole of being the ethically challenged ones.

Sad really.

It's nice to see a lying sack of shit get taken down.

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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2014, 11:34:15 PM »

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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2014, 12:56:22 AM »
It's nice to see a lying sack of shit get taken down.

It's DU. That asshole's line of bullshit is a career enhancer.

I expect to see a post from him announcing a run for the House of Representatives.
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2014, 04:17:03 AM »
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97. I have never understood these kind of guys...

(.......)

Sad really.

Take a quick moment to realize where you are posting and who you are posting to.  Need any further clues?

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Liberal thinking is a two-legged stool and magical thinking is one of the legs, the other is a combination of self-loating and misanthropy.  To understand it, you would have to be able to sit on that stool while juggling two elephants, an anvil and a fragmentation grenade, sans pin.

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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2014, 04:35:33 AM »
On a whim, I bopped over to the Military.com link and found this:

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I'm a Liuetenant-Commander in the U.S. Coast Guard, currently stationed in Alaska. (And, in answer to the question you are asking right now, NO, I've never met...her, for which I give praise to whatever Gods or Goddesses might exist in this Universe.)

I'm a 52-year-old man, and, six months from now (06/26/15, to be exact), I'll be marking 30 years in uniform. The scuttlebut, as yet merely rumor, What do you think scuttlebutt is, jackass?  Besides, a water fountain. is that, at such time, I will be promoted to full Commander and given my own boat.

Married to the hottest babe on the planet, Morgan Fairchild I have two sons and a daughter. I was raised Irish-Catholic, though my faith in any sort of Belief has been greatly eroded over the years. (My wife remains devout, and she---as well as our girl and younger boy---attend Mass every Sunday.)

I've been a straight-ticket Democrat for the past ten years, having voted for Kerry, Obama, and Obama again. I regret to say I did not exercise my franchise in 2000, having been dismayed by the corporate turn which the Clinton-Gore administration had taken, and absolute horror at the Bush-Cheney ticket, which turned out to be the Cheney-Bush administration.  So horrible, you just couldn't vote.  Commissioned in 85?  So, no vote in 84/88/92/96 either, but ........proud.

I am liberal on 80% of the issues. But I don't trust the Russians, and firmly believe that the scenario of the aborted film The Interview should be applied in actuality to the entire North Korean Monarchical Regime. By the same token, we never should have invaded Iraq, should not be there now, and should cut off every damn penny of aid to the governments of Israel, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, our three worst "allies."

Huge fan of the Alaska Aces, though my current avatar is that of the Cleveland Barons, whom the NHL didn't adequately support or manage in the franchise's all-too-brief history. Born and raised in Erie, PA, the water has always captivated me, and I've zero desire to ever be set free

Someone is trying too hard.
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Liberal thinking is a two-legged stool and magical thinking is one of the legs, the other is a combination of self-loating and misanthropy.  To understand it, you would have to be able to sit on that stool while juggling two elephants, an anvil and a fragmentation grenade, sans pin.

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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2014, 09:38:03 AM »
Are Coast Guard commissions not subject to DOPMA/ROPMA?  There is a 28 year commissioned service maximum through O5, 30 years for O6, with an extremely limited exception for absolutely critical officers that has to be approved case-by-case at the Secretariat level (The exercise of which is nonexistent in the Army, outside of the Medical Corps during the heat of OIF and flag officers).

The clock on that runs from the date of commission, whether on active duty or not.
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2014, 10:44:48 AM »
I am so glad there are enough skilled detectives to uncover these valor stealers.
I'm not so sure this guy really meant to steal valor.
What he really wanted to do was slam a totally innocent cop and advance the lib false narrative agenda.
He just thought the beard of the Coast Guard would be a fine apparatus to bolster his malice.
I wish CG was still here.
He would rip this fakir a new one.
And yes I'm pretty sure I meant fakir.
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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2014, 12:00:54 PM »
The sad tale of LCDR Fitz-something illustrates the essential paradox of the Democrat Underground. You are what you feel you are, not what you really are- just so long as what you feel you are is something they support.

If he (assuming the real-life person at the keyboard is male) feels like a female, then he is one.

If he feels like an award winning journo and veteran of the Sinaloa Donkey Wars, then he is one.

If he feels like a lesbian cat, then he is one.

If he feels like a wizard with magic powers, then he is one.

And, if he feels like a 29 year veteran Coast Guard O-4***, who is set for promotion to O-5*** with command of his own boat, who killed a drug smuggler twenty five years ago and has been wracked with guilt ever since, while married to Morgan Fairchild - then he is one.

No matter what.

Unless he feels like a self-sufficient straight male who believes in the sovereignty of the individual, personal freedom, personal responsibility, and small, constitutionally limited government- in which case they would point and screech like Donald Sutherland in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.


"Troll!"


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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2014, 12:46:29 PM »
The sad tale of LCDR Fitz-something illustrates the essential paradox of the Democrat Underground. You are what you feel you are, not what you really are- just so long as what you feel you are is something they support.

If he (assuming the real-life person at the keyboard is male) feels like a female, then he is one.

If he feels like an award winning journo and veteran of the Sinaloa Donkey Wars, then he is one.

If he feels like a lesbian cat, then he is one.

If he feels like a wizard with magic powers, then he is one.

And, if he feels like a 29 year veteran Coast Guard O-4***, who is set for promotion to O-5*** with command of his own boat, who killed a drug smuggler twenty five years ago and has been wracked with guilt ever since, while married to Morgan Fairchild - then he is one.

No matter what.

Unless he feels like a self-sufficient straight male who believes in the sovereignty of the individual, personal freedom, personal responsibility, and small, constitutionally limited government- in which case they would point and screech like Donald Sutherland in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.


"Troll!"


***Edited to correct pay grades. Sorry, puddle pirates!

What if he "feels" like a monkey ?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/north-korea-uses-racist-slur-against-obama

Or, even better...someone "makes" him "feel" like a monkey !
There were only two options for gender. At last count there are at least 12, according to libs. By that standard, I'm a male lesbian.

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Re: Darren Wilson's Lack of Remorse
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2014, 09:07:48 PM »
The sad tale of LCDR Fitz-something ...

...Which brings to mind the classic Dave Allen joke about the the three Irish homosexuals - Gerald Fitzwilliam, William Fitzpatrick, and Patrick Fitzgerald...

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Go and tell the Spartans, O traveler passing by
That here, obedient to their law, we lie.

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