A Conservative Argument for a Minimum Wage Increase

[Carl]

we will NEVER see a true conservative pres or congressman ever again in this country. thats a cold hard fact. i dont like it either, but its reality. the issue with min wage is merely a SYMPTOM of whats really going on. on one hand, you ppl on here are advocating working at whatever job comes your way. the libs are advocating an increase in min wage. the truth is that there are NO middle class jobs anymore. and the jobs that have been lost are NOT coming back!! there are ppl out there who have been laid off from saw mills who think gee it'll be great when it reopens. NOT going to happen.

when you give in to the libs by advocating everyone just clean the shitters at walmart to survive, you are letting the libs and obama WIN. what we are experiencing shouldnt have surprised anyone. this was always the goal. and as far as getting experience or skills.... what good does it do to have a skill and noone to hire you?? i worked in electronics from 93- 2008. have a degree in electronics, and yet i couldnt find a job in electronics right now if my life depended on it. problem is.. the establishment republicans still want you to believe in the American dream. the American dream of the 50's is GONE and its NOT coming back.

Uhmmm...wrong,life is what you make of it.
If you accept failure as an outcome you will achieve it every time.

[J P Sousa]

  when you give in to the libs by advocating everyone just clean the shitters at walmart to survive, you are letting the libs and obama WIN 

Well I cleaned them while between jobs after Jimmy F'n Carter but found my way back to a better job. Yes it takes hard work (which the dems don't believe in) and it takes perseverance.

It's about personal responsibility.

 Maybe it's just me but I'd rather "clean the shitters" than steal collect other taxpayer's money.

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[Purple Sage]

I don't know what your real problems are in not finding employment, but you're in a library.  Maybe you should use this time studying something useful, like sentence/paragraph structure and punctuation.

There was a thread not too long ago commenting upon some DUmmie that continually capitalizes whole words, but never the First letter in a sentence.  The writing of this one is familiar.  I can't remember who it was though.  Maybe someone else around here will recall. 

[Chris_]

There was a thread not too long ago commenting upon some DUmmie that continually capitalizes whole words, but never the First letter in a sentence.  The writing of this one is familiar.  I can't remember who it was though.  Maybe someone else around here will recall. 

Quite a few of them do that.  Maybe they Think it makes them look Intelligent.

[NHSparky]

This post reminds me of the shortest book I ever read:  "Useful employment tips from the voluntarily homeless".  Followed closely by the second shortest:  "This 'ol box:  'True Conservative' advice from the guy living behind the dumpster".

Has anyone else ever read these books?

I never seem to get more than a page in before I'm sleeping soundly.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I never seem to get more than a page in before I'm sleeping soundly.

So, about halfway through each one of them, then...?

[JohnnyReb]

Well, if the democrats can keep raising the minimum wage to buy votes they will do it.....until "minimum wage" is "The Wage" for all jobs....and then it's welcome to the real democrat communist utopia dream come true......true equality for all.....except the ruling elite, of course. 

[txradioguy]

Where'd the little troll go?

[wasp69]

Where'd the little troll go?

Heh...  Which one?

[FiddlingAnt]

Where'd the little troll go?

If this is a backhanded invite to continue with this thread, I'll bite.

A few posts back txradioguy argued that Republican selection of McCain and Romney was the reason we lost both elections. Given that conservatives make up a higher percentage of primary voters than they do in the general election, what was wrong with the other 2008 and 2012 candidates seeking the nomination? With Bush fatigue, it would have been hard for just about any Republicans to have won in 2008. Who could have gotten more general election votes that Romney in 2012? Rick Santorum? Rick Perry?

The true facts are that both McCain and Romney did better than Reagan with conservatives.  Reagan got 73% of conservatives. McCain got 78% of conservative and Romney got 82% of conservatives (see here and here). Reagan got 49% of the moderates. McCain got 38% and Romney got 44%.

Romney got more votes on a state level than many conservative candidates. Romney won Indiana. Conservative Richard Murdock lost. Romney won Missouri. Conservative Todd Akin lost. Romney won North Dakota. Conservative Rick Berg lost.

Its a deluded fantasy to continue to believe that we lost because conservatives dropped the ball. We lost because we didn't peel off enough moderates to get over the top. History will show that the reason Romney lost was that all during the summer of 2012, when he was not able to spend any general election ad dollars, the Democrats were spending big money painting him as (horrors!) an uncaring conservative. By the time he was legally able to respond to these attacks in his ads, too many moderate voters had already made up their minds. Even at that, some people thought momentum was in his favor when Hurricane Sandy knocked out a few crucial campaign days and the media painted Obama was rescuing America, giving him some relieve after Romney started scoring points.

I may not be the special type of conservative that would make txradioguy happy, but I'll choose Power over Purity any day.

Would a restoration of minimum wage to previous levels result in lost jobs? Probably.  Would Republican support for this win us votes? Definitely. It's a price worth paying in order to get to name Supreme Court justices from 2017 to 2020. Let's just hope Thomas, Scalia, et al remain healthy.

[txradioguy]

If this is a backhanded invite to continue with this thread, I'll bite.

No not really.  Figured after getting your ass handed to you for promoting Democrat Lite as "Conservative" you'd limped off to ice your winds.

A few posts back txradioguy argued that Republican selection of McCain and Romney was the reason we lost both elections. Given that conservatives make up a higher percentage of primary voters than they do in the general election, what was wrong with the other 2008 and 2012 candidates seeking the nomination?

They weren't Conservative.  They said and did things that didn't bring enough conservatives...the GOP base to the voting booth.

With Bush fatigue, it would have been hard for just about any Republicans to have won in 2008.

Not if they had run the right candidate.  The wrong person was at the top of the 2008 ticket.

Who could have gotten more general election votes that Romney in 2012? Rick Santorum? Rick Perry?

Or Cain or Bachmann...

The true facts are that both McCain and Romney did better than Reagan with conservatives.

There were only 28% of the population in 1980 that identified themselves as Conservative versus 45% in the most recent survey.  Of course the percentages would be higher.

Reagan spoke a Conservative message that was never uttered form either McCain or Romney.  He motivated not only the party base but he brought Conservative Democrats across the aisle with his Conservative ideals.

He didn't do what Romney and McCain did and try to appeal to Independents and Moderates by supporting the same things his Democrat Party opponent did.

He didn't compromise his core principals to pretend he was something he wasn't.  He understood that America is at it's core a Conservative nation.  And he was willing to stick to his principals even if it cost the party some "Northeastern Liberal Republicans".

You don't seem to understand that.  You just want to repeat some pap about Romeny and MCCain getting more Conservaitves than Reagan as if that's some kind of proof Romney or McCain had some kind of winning formula.

Romney got more votes on a state level than many conservative candidates. Romney won Indiana.

I'm sorry...did I miss the 2013 Inauguration of President Williard "Mitt" Romney somewhere?

Conservative Richard Murdock lost. Romney won Missouri.

Conservative

Todd Akin lost.

Romney won North Dakota. Conservative Rick Berg lost.

Democrat nominee Barack H. Obama won the Presidency...again.

The GOP left those three swinging in the breeze with no support and let the Dems and RINO's falsely savage them.

Its a deluded fantasy to continue to believe that we lost because conservatives dropped the ball.

No not really.

We lost because we didn't peel off enough moderates to get over the top. History will show that the reason Romney lost was that all during the summer of 2012, when he was not able to spend any general election ad dollars, the Democrats were spending big money painting him as (horrors!) an uncaring conservative. By the time he was legally able to respond to these attacks in his ads, too many moderate voters had already made up their minds. Even at that, some people thought momentum was in his favor when Hurricane Sandy knocked out a few crucial campaign days and the media painted Obama was rescuing America, giving him some relieve after Romney started scoring points.

We lost because for one thing Romney wasn't a Conservative.  And secondly he refused to attack Obama's shitty record on everything he touched over the previous four years...and he didn't fight back against baseless claims of everything form animal abuse to firing the first shots in the war on women to wanting to ban birth control and abortion for women.

With the thin resume and horrific record as President there is no way Obama should have won...and yet he did.

And it was because of everything you're advocating for.

I may not be the special type of conservative that would make txradioguy happy, but I'll choose Power over Purity any day.

You're special all right. A special kind of stupid. I'm not a purist you moronic assclown.  And what you're "choosing" is to remain the minority party for generations to come.  I want to see a Republican in the White House again...you don't seem to want that.

Would a restoration of minimum wage to previous levels result in lost jobs? Probably.

There's no probably to it.  It's a certainty.  At least 500,000 of them.  IN an economy that already has a real unemployment rate of 13%

Would Republican support for this win us votes? Definitely

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No.  Because it wouldn't be a win for all the reasons I've already explained to you.

It's a price worth paying in order to get to name Supreme Court justices from 2017 to 2020. Let's just hope Thomas, Scalia, et al remain healthy.

If we follow your moronic already proven failure of a strategy we're expected to get SCOTUS judges that make Soto-mayor look absolutely Constructionist in their views of the Constitution.

How many more times does the GOP have to lose national elections by repeating the failed "ideas" you're espousing before you finally wake the **** up and realize it's not working.

[Purple Sage]

We lost because many Conservatives stayed home.  If Romney would have received the same amount of votes that Bush got against Kerry, he would have won the election.  Kissing Dem azz had nothing to do with it... other than helping lose votes for Romney.

Romney beat himself.  He savaged the other primary candidates, but when it came time to do the same to the 0, he wouldn't fight.  After the first debate, he took off the gloves and put his hands in his pockets.  Pussies don't win elections.

[J P Sousa]

We lost because many Conservatives stayed home.  If Romney would have received the same amount of votes that Bush got against Kerry, he would have won the election.  Kissing Dem azz had nothing to do with it... other than helping lose votes for Romney.

Romney beat himself.  He savaged the other primary candidates, but when it came time to do the same to the 0, he wouldn't fight.  After the first debate, he took off the gloves and put his hands in his pockets.  Pussies don't win elections.

HI-5

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[FiddlingAnt]

We lost because many Conservatives stayed home.  If Romney would have received the same amount of votes that Bush got against Kerry, he would have won the election.  Kissing Dem azz had nothing to do with it... other than helping lose votes for Romney.

Romney beat himself.  He savaged the other primary candidates, but when it came time to do the same to the 0, he wouldn't fight.  After the first debate, he took off the gloves and put his hands in his pockets.  Pussies don't win elections.

The "Conservatives stayed home" theory owes it's origin to election result analysis in the day or two following the election. We were comparing incomplete results with full results from previous elections.  The headlines were that Romney came up 2-3 million votes short of Bush and McCain. Once all the votes were totaled, much of this shortage evaporated. Romney actually got more votes than McCain. Where Romney came up short compared to Bush was getting Hispanic votes. If Romney had gotten the same percentage of Hispanic votes as Bush had, we would have Presidente Romney right now.

Another evidence that it was not conservatives-staying-home that lost the election for Romney is that recent surveys have revealed that, had the election been held again this year, Romney would have one. Why is that? Who is having second thoughts? Conservatives who stayed home or moderates who have recognized there mistake? Any conservatives that really did stayed home are worse than liberals who vote. They are Sunshine Patriots who avoid the responsibility to do their part.

[Purple Sage]

The "Conservatives stayed home" theory owes it's origin to election result analysis in the day or two following the election. We were comparing incomplete results with full results from previous elections.  The headlines were that Romney came up 2-3 million votes short of Bush and McCain. Once all the votes were totaled, much of this shortage evaporated. Romney actually got more votes than McCain. Where Romney came up short compared to Bush was getting Hispanic votes. If Romney had gotten the same percentage of Hispanic votes as Bush had, we would have Presidente Romney right now.

Another evidence that it was not conservatives-staying-home that lost the election for Romney is that recent surveys have revealed that, had the election been held again this year, Romney would have one. Why is that? Who is having second thoughts? Conservatives who stayed home or moderates who have recognized there mistake? Any conservatives that really did stayed home are worse than liberals who vote. They are Sunshine Patriots who avoid the responsibility to do their part.

I checked the numbers.  Bush got 1,108,458 more popular votes than Romney, not enough to have put him over the top, but certainly not stellar numbers for Romney.

I stand behind the second half of my statement.  If your "moderacy" would have won the election, Romney would have won handily.  Romney was a moderate that refused to fight because fighting doesn't show moderation.  Moderates don't win elections.

[txradioguy]

I checked the numbers.  Bush got 1,108,458 more popular votes than Romney, not enough to have put him over the top, but certainly not stellar numbers for Romney.

I stand behind the second half of my statement.  If your "moderacy" would have won the election, Romney would have won handily.  Romney was a moderate that refused to fight because fighting doesn't show moderation.  Moderates don't win elections.

You can't convince a RINO like Ant Diddler of that PS.  They are like Dems in the fact that when Libs lose elections they say it's because they weren't Liberal enough...Moderates and RINO's lose elections they think it's because they weren't moderate enough.

[txradioguy]

The "Conservatives stayed home" theory owes it's origin to election result analysis in the day or two following the election. We were comparing incomplete results with full results from previous elections.  The headlines were that Romney came up 2-3 million votes short of Bush and McCain. Once all the votes were totaled, much of this shortage evaporated. Romney actually got more votes than McCain. Where Romney came up short compared to Bush was getting Hispanic votes. If Romney had gotten the same percentage of Hispanic votes as Bush had, we would have Presidente Romney right now.

Another evidence that it was not conservatives-staying-home that lost the election for Romney is that recent surveys have revealed that, had the election been held again this year, Romney would have one. Why is that? Who is having second thoughts? Conservatives who stayed home or moderates who have recognized there mistake? Any conservatives that really did stayed home are worse than liberals who vote. They are Sunshine Patriots who avoid the responsibility to do their part.

Your theory on all of this has been proven to be complete bullshit by reality...yet you continue to dig the hole.  What's the definition of insanity?

 

[Chris_]

9 Reasons Why Raising the Minimum Wage Is a Terrible Idea

Reason

[J P Sousa]

From the above reason link;

  As President Kennedy put it in his inaugural address, “the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.”   

My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.
 John F. Kennedy

Today's democrats would consider that blasphemy.

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[Chris_]

From the above reason link;
 
Today's democrats would consider that blasphemy.

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God has no place in today's Democratic Party.  They made that abundantly clear during their 2012 convention.

[NHSparky]

You can't convince a RINO like Ant Diddler of that PS.  They are like Dems in the fact that when Libs lose elections they say it's because they weren't Liberal enough...Moderates and RINO's lose elections they think it's because they weren't moderate enough.

Said it before, say it again: When CONSERVATIVES run, they win.  When Republicans try to run as moderates, they lose.

See for examples: Reagan, Bush 41, Dole, McCain, Romney.