Teacher bashing bonfire!!!

[formerlurker]

Wait... There's more to being a lawyer than arguing??????

That can't BE!!!!!   

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand?   

[Splashdown]

Nope. But my contract hours are 7:30-3:30.

Know what?

I'm hogging this thread. Nothing is getting done here except raising my blood pressure.

Sorry for highjacking.

[formerlurker]

As was your response. Nowhere did Jukin say "public school teacher." Neither did you in your posts.

I would imagine you would gather that from the example he gave of time off.   

[Splashdown]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand?   

AAaaaaand....maybe there's more to being a teacher than standing in front of a class for 5 hours. Just maybe.

[formerlurker]

Nope. But my contract hours are 7:30-3:30.

Know what?

I'm hogging this thread. Nothing is getting done here except raising my blood pressure.

Sorry for highjacking.

So you have ample time for lesson planning, cause last time I checked school was a 6 hour day of time on learning and look at you at work 8 hours a day!!!   You really are off on your rant that is very misplaced here.  

8 hour, full year work schedule for a private school is germane to this conversation how?   I don't think anyone in this thread said this job was an easy one.  

[formerlurker]

AAaaaaand....maybe there's more to being a teacher than standing in front of a class for 5 hours. Just maybe.

I never said there wasn't.   WTF??   Direct your rant elsewhere.

5 hours???   What the hell you doing the other 3?   GEEEZ!!

[Splashdown]

So you have ample time for lesson planning, cause last time I checked school was a 6 hour day of time on learning and look at you at work 8 hours a day!!!   You really are off on your rant that is very misplaced here.  

8 hour, full year work schedule for a private school is germane to this conversation how?   I don't think anyone in this thread said this job was an easy one.  

Really? Damn! You know more about my profession than I do! Plenty of time! Yep! What the hell am I talking about???? Only 20 years a teacher (some in public middle school, btw), too!

But keep going! Tell me more about lesson planning!

[formerlurker]

Really? Damn! You know more about my profession than I do! Plenty of time! Yep! What the hell am I talking about???? Only 20 years a teacher (some in public middle school, btw), too!

But keep going! Tell me more about lesson planning!

OMG   

You came into the thread all full of pissfire over some perceived slam that NO ONE GAVE YOUR PROFESSION, and certainly no one gave YOUR private school profession.

Now you are just ranting hysterics.   

[formerlurker]

.. and honestly, this is the crap that gives the profession a bad name. 

[Splashdown]

YOU jumped on ME.


I responded to a post by Jukin, explaining how my experiences are different. I explained that it was a rant.

Then You jumped on ME.


I'm out.

[formerlurker]

YOU jumped on ME.


I responded to a post by Jukin, explaining how my experiences are different. I explained that it was a rant.

Then You jumped on ME.


I'm out.

Uh, yeah - cause this is a conservative debate board.     

Isn't that how it works, or did the brochure change when I was away?   Nads would have just placed me on ignore, which is your option also. 

[formerlurker]

Oh and just for the record -- teacher turnover in PUBLIC schools?   not so high, unless we are talking attrition, or not so high in my neck of the woods.  

.. and one last comment for giggles - public education policy is MY playground.  Public teachers: I know your job; I know how much you make;  I know your hours; I know the expectation of your performance standards; and I know state assessments.   

Mmmmmkay?

[Splashdown]

lol. ignore. I don't "plonk" people.

I never, ever complain about my job, except when people who don't know shit tell me how easy it is and how little teachers do. How we don't earn our money. That stuff.

When I taught middle school, I worked with a guy who had four (F-O-U-R) heart attacks from the stress of working. He refused to quit. He took up kite-flying.

I was simply setting the record straight is all. And look at me. Still posting here when I said I wouldn't...

[seahorse513]

I remember growing up, people say don't be a teacher, they don't get paid very well.....
Now I am hearing Chicago teachers are 100k. I am assuming that is private sector however.....

[BlueStateSaint]

I remember growing up, people say don't be a teacher, they don't get paid very well.....
Now I am hearing Chicago teachers are 100k. I am assuming that is private sector however.....

Don't assume, Sea . . .

I count a number of schoolteachers--both public and private--among my friends.  (One's such a good friend that he'll laugh off the Haribo Sugarless Gummi Bears I'm getting him. )  They bust their fourth points of contact day in and day out, to do what they do.  What gets me is things such as the 'rubber rooms,' or whatever they're called, in districts such as NYC where teachers who have been accused of misconduct (or even found guilty of misconduct) go to, do nothing all day, and collect their full salaries and benefits--for years, in a few instances highlighted by the New York Post.

Or the teacher not long ago--maybe two months or so--in a Midwestern school district who molested a female student (maybe he raped her--I can't remember at the moment), and whose union is suing on his behalf so that he can keep his pension.

Instances such as this give all teachers a bad name, whether they teach in a public school or a private one.  They're not the norm across the country.  Who is to blame?  Let's start with their unions.  

[diesel driver]

I only remember two great teachers in the whole time at school. One was a football coach and he taught science and the other was an older black man that taught history.  They really got the subject across and didn't put up with any disrespectful students.  I think there should be corporal punishment still.  

Depends on where you teach.

Some districts (like in Shitcago), corporal punishment won't cut it.  You'd need CAPITAL punishment!  Hoodrats find out teach shoots back, there'd be a lot more respect in the classroom.

[Splashdown]

... We all know what teachers do, right? After all, we were all students. Each one of us, each product of public education, we each sat through class after class for thirteen years. We encountered dozens of teachers. We had our kindergarten teachers and our first grade teachers and our fifth grade teachers and our gym teachers and our art teachers and our music teachers. We had our science teachers and our social studies teachers and our English teachers and our math teachers. If we were lucky, we might even have had our Latin teachers or our Spanish teachers or our physics teachers or our psychology teachers. Heck, I even had a seventh grade “Communications Skills” teacher. We had our guidance counselors and our principals and some of us had our special education teachers and our study hall monitors.

So we know teachers. We get teachers. We know what happens in classrooms, and we know what teachers do. We know which teachers are effective, we know which teachers left lasting impressions, we know which teachers changed our lives, and we know which teachers sucked

...

We don’t know.


..
I spent a little over a year earning a master of arts in teaching degree. Then I spent two years teaching English Language Arts in a rural public high school. And I learned that my 13 years as a public school student, my 4 years as a college student at a highly selective college, and even a great deal of my year as a masters degree student in the education school of a flagship public university hadn’t taught me how to manage a classroom, how to reach students, how to inspire a love of learning, how to teach. Eighteen years as a student (and a year of preschool before that), and I didn’t know shit about teaching. Only years of practicing my skills and honing my skills would have rendered me a true professional. An expert. Someone who knows about the business of inspiring children. Of reaching students. Of making a difference. Of teaching.

I didn’t stay. I copped out. I left. I went home to suburban New Jersey, and a year later I enrolled in law school.

Read it all

[Purple Sage]

But of course the drunken Pitt, done in by an unwholesome attraction to his pubescent female students, was drummed from the junior high substituting profession forever.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x4584820

Good read.  It was fun seeing the drunken fool came onto the thread in a panic after getting called out, removing all doubt as to his identity.  The moderator locking the thread soon after was a defining blow as well. 

[J P Sousa]

In the suburbs of Philadelpghia, one school district top pay with benefits is; $136,093.37. And that was two years ago.

Turnover is non-existent and I can understand why.

A woman I know said her sister was a teacher in that district and was always complaining about her "low pay". The woman eventually found her sister's pay and benefits online which caused a little "tiff" between them.   

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