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Offline dutch508

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Let's go with the story Mia, and see where it leads...

America blog opens up with the banner:

America, Love it or Fix It.

hmmm...

Now the story isn't that the American 89th Division liberated a Concentration camp, but that his uncle was one of the first to liberate it. I guessed that Obama mistakenly said Auschwitz instead of Dachau, another Nazi death camp American soldiers liberated.

Now, notice what the Holocaust Museum said, The unit that Obama's relitive is believed to have served in liberated Buchenwald. I did not see them say it was Charles W. Payne who liberated it.

I can not find any such statement at the US Holocaust Museum web-site, http://www.ushmm.org/ , and can't seem to find the story except on the bolg you linked.

hmmm...

I did find this:

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In fact, Obama's great uncle took part in the liberation of one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald, spokesman Bill Burton said this afternoon.
http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/obama/

You'd think Chicago trib would be hot on this 'proof'.

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The Barack Obama campaign said Tuesday the candidate mistakenly referred to the wrong Nazi death camp when relating the story of a great uncle who helped liberate the camps in World War II.

The Democratic presidential candidate said the story is accurate except that the camp was Buchenwald, not Auschwitz.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/politics/16407801/detail.html?rss=bos&psp=news

[well, not really the camp per se, but a camp related to the camp...]

Boston, that hotbed of Republican politics, should be jumping on this new news story!

The holocaust Museum says:

On April 4, 1945, the 89th overran Ohrdruf, a subcamp of the Buchenwald concentration camp. Ohrdruf was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops in Germany. A week later, on April 12, Generals Dwight D. Eisenhower, George S. Patton, and Omar Bradley visited Ohrdruf to see, firsthand, evidence of Nazi atrocities against concentration camp prisoners.

Not quiet the news release stating Obama was 'factually correct'.

And what of Ohrdruf?  http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10006131

Created in November 1944 near the town of Gotha, Germany, Ohrdruf supplied forced labor in the form of concentration camp prisoners for railway construction leading to a proposed communications center, which was never completed due to the rapid American advance. In late March 1945, the camp had a prisoner population of some 11,700, but in early April the SS evacuated almost all the prisoners on death marches to Buchenwald. The SS guards killed many of the remaining prisoners who were too ill to walk to the railcars.

When the soldiers of the 4th Armored Division ( and the 89th Infantry Division, credited with the liberation) entered the camp, they discovered piles of bodies, some covered with lime, and others partially incinerated on pyres. The ghastly nature of their discovery led General Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe, to visit the camp on April 12, with Generals George S. Patton and Omar Bradley
 
The 4th Armored Division's discovery of the Ohrdruf camp opened the eyes of many U.S. soldiers to the horrors perpetrated by the Nazis during the Holocaust.

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Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there

This website has been created to honor the service of the 89th Infantry Division during the Second World War. The 89th, known as the Rolling W, served with distinction during combat operations in Europe from March-May, 1945.

This website was created by 89th veteran Raymond E. Kitchell and his son Mark R. Kitchell. We are grateful to the contributions of histories, stories and pictures from numerous 89th Infantry veterans and their families, and from the 89th Infantry Division Society.

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And the proof is....what, exactly?
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the RNC is even backing away from this story.  I forget where I ran into their statement, but they pretty much
said that they were happy that the obama campaign had taken the time to check the story out, and they appear
to have let it drop.


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No, what is amazing is he did this while serving in the Navy.

Now that blog itself is in question - I tried to got to the contact list and got:

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The email list is no longer available online due to privacy concerns of the members. If you would like to contact a specific 89th Veteran, please email the webmaster at markkitchell@yahoo.com
http://www.89infdivww2.org/society/contact.htm

So I googled the name:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22mark+kitchell%22+%22obama%22&hl=en&sa=2

Turns out Mark is a big time moonbat:

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-query-to-the-89th-divisions-website

???

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—– Original Message —–
From: cigarskunk
To: markkitchell@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: Searching for Charles W Payne

Dear Sirs,

In light of the recent controversy over the military service of Barrak Obama’s grandfather, Charles W Payne, I was hoping to contact you to get some kind of verification of his membership in the 89th.

I’ve checked the records of http://www.kshs.org/genealogis…..p;branch=N and they only list him as being in the Navy.

I would like to get a second source to confirm that Obama is still lying on this subject as my grandfathers, father and uncles all served in WWII, Korea and Vietnam and I don’t particularly care for politicians lying about the service of family members to further thier political agendas.

Thank you in advance!

From: markkitchell@yahoo.com
To: cigarskunk
Subject: Re: Searching for Charles W Payne
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:52:48 +0200

You are the one who is lying. Mr. Payne served in the 89th Divison, 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K.


Oh, yeah, Mia...that is some good proof, you got there.
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May 28th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
I am confused. I thought the Great Uncle’s name was/is Ralph W. E.. Dunham, Jr., brother of Obama’s grandfather, Stanley A. Dunham. Ralph was inducted on May 28, 1942 in Kansas (record with the Kansas Historical Society WWII records as Ralph E Dunham Jr) and served with the 89th when they liberated Ohrdruf, a smaller camp that was part of Buchenwald. Stanley’s record is there also. At least this is the info I had before I went to bed last night. Charlie Payne is a new name to me since yesterday. What’d I miss?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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May 28th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
The reason Charlie E. Payne comes into play is that Burton who represents the Obama campaign said at Politico that the great uncle in question is from the grandmother side of the family tree. So that eliminates both the grandfather and his older brother who served in the army unless Burton got his facts wrong.

RiehlWorld has tracked the records for the grandmother and she has a brother named Charles E. Payne, however Kansas records for WWII vets show no army record for that name but they do show a Navy record under that name.

Few would disagree that the Navy was not likely involved in freeing the camps directly.

However one commentor at another site has found an army name match for Payne but the birth year is off by a few and it is from a DC database rather than the Kansas history.

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The only link I have is the one from the Kansas Historical Society WWII Records and what I picked up yesterday in comments at Ace’s and JOM.

Dunham, Ralph E. Inducted 28 May 1942, Army 37203549 Registered, order # 1180 Mound City, Linn Co. (Board # 1) Serial # also assigned to Lawrence W. Solomon

At this point, I take everything coming out of the Obama campaign with a grain of salt, but this confusion seems needless and should be easily verifiable and I just want to get it right.

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This is the latest on the Kitchell site:

Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there.

Two problems: no credible source and Mrs. Dunham’s brother’s name was Charles W. Payne.

 :fuelfire: maybe the records burned up in the St. Louis fire with Kerry's records...
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Oh, yeah, Mia...that is some good proof, you got there.

I'm just posting what I saw.  *shrug*
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Oh, yeah, Mia...that is some good proof, you got there.

I'm just posting what I saw.  *shrug*

I think the whole thing is intresting, not for a 'Oh my goodness, Obama lied!' point, but from a point that people are starting to act like this is already the General Election.

I don't want to place disrespect on Barry's relatives who did their part in WWII, and if in fact, one of them helped liberate any prison camps, regardless of the place it was, or when, I have nothing but respect for them.

However, if Barry was just making it up to gather votes...

...that pisses me off just a bit. Not so much from a Republican viewpoint, but from the viewpoint of someone who lost family to the Nazis during the war (Mother's family in the Ukraine).

The fact that any political figure simply makes up stories for whatever audience they are speaking to in order to gain votes is over.

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Oh, yeah, Mia...that is some good proof, you got there.

I'm just posting what I saw.  *shrug*

I think the whole thing is intresting, not for a 'Oh my goodness, Obama lied!' point, but from a point that people are starting to act like this is already the General Election.

I don't want to place disrespect on Barry's relatives who did their part in WWII, and if in fact, one of them helped liberate any prison camps, regardless of the place it was, or when, I have nothing but respect for them.

However, if Barry was just making it up to gather votes...

...that pisses me off just a bit. Not so much from a Republican viewpoint, but from the viewpoint of someone who lost family to the Nazis during the war (Mother's family in the Ukraine).

The fact that any political figure simply makes up stories for whatever audience they are speaking to in order to gain votes is over.



I completely understand. 
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