Obama Lie Exposed; There is no way his Uncle could have liberated Auschwitz

[Wretched Excess]

Obama's antics yesterday are really beginning to just make me angry.


The Lie told on Memorial Day


Debunked here (links in the original):

Obama rewrites WWII history

In one of his more egregious and easily demonstrated lies, made even more so by the day he decided to let it loose on, Obama has rewritten WWII history such that the allies liberated Auschwitz.

    ...Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz...

Auschwitz of course is in Poland. It was liberated by the Red Army on Jan 27 1945. Poland, on most maps is usually placed to the east of Germany, although we may need to investigate the geography textbooks the Messiah used as a child...

The Allies were wrapping up the battle of the bulge in late January of 1945 -- the Rhine crossings were still well into the future when Auschwitz was liberated. The first, the Remagen railway bridge which was discovered intact, was crossed on March 7 1945.

Of course it goes without saying that the media has thus far failed to call the Messiah on this apparently obviously outrageous lie. Unless Obama's "uncle" was serving in the Red Army, its a pretty safe bet he was many hundreds of miles from Auschwitz on its day of liberation.

Link

[Wretched Excess]

Hey, I BELIEVE Hussiens uncle was in the Red Army.
Why not, his nephew is sure a freakin' Communist.

the whole auchwitz thing was a segue to this perverse bit of reasoning:

Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz. He said the family legend is that, upon returning from war, his uncle spent six months in an attic. “Now obviously, something had really affected him deeply, but at that time there just weren’t the kinds of facilities to help somebody work through that kind of pain,” Obama said. “That’s why this idea of making sure that every single veteran, when they are discharged, are screened for post-traumatic stress disorder and given the mental health services that they need – that’s why it’s so important.”

how much you wanna bet that the media ignores this.  poor hillary got pilloried ( ) over her imaginary snipers, but I am sure this will be explained away somehow.  although now we need a whole new explanation as to why he spent 6 months in the attic.

[Wretched Excess]

Did he say whether it was his white uncle or his black uncle that did this?

I have been assuming all of the leaves in his family tree that did their service for the country came from his mother's side;  including Granny ThrownUnderTheBus, who built bombers.  but I admit that is only an assumption. 

[dutch508]

I am pretty sure Barry was talking about Dachau.

On 29 April 1945 the watchtowers of the Dachau camp remained occupied and a white flag was hoisted. Red Cross representative Maurer persuaded SS-Sturmscharführer Heinrich Wicker, an officer in the SS-Totenkopfverbände, to accompany him to the main gate of the complex to surrender the camp formally.

Late in the afternoon of 29 April 1945 KZ Dachau was surrendered to the American Army by SS-Sturmscharführer Heinrich Wicker.[11] A vivid description of the surrender appears in Brig. Gen. Henning Linden's official "Report on Surrender of Dachau Concentration Camp":

As we moved down along the west side of the concentration camp and approached the southwest corner, three people approached down the road under a flag of truce. We met these people about 75 yards north of the southwest entrance to the camp. These three people were a Swiss Red Cross representative and two SS troopers who said they were the camp commander and assistant camp commander and that they had come into the camp on the night of the 28th to take over from the regular camp personnel for the purpose of turning the camp over to the advancing Americans. The Swiss Red Cross representative acted as interpreter and stated that there were about 100 SS guards in the camp who had their arms stacked except for the people in the tower. He said he had given instructions that there would be no shots fired and it would take about 50 men to relieve the guards, as there were 42,000 half-crazed prisoners of war in the camp, many of them typhus infected. He asked if I were an officer of the American army, to which I replied, "Yes, I am Assistant Division Commander of the 42d Division and will accept the surrender of the camp in the name of the Rainbow Division for the American army."

General Dwight D. Eisenhower, issued a communique over the capture of Dachau concentration "Our forces liberated and mopped up the infamous concentration camp at Dachau. Approximately 32,000 prisoners were liberated; 300 SS camp guards were quickly neutralized."[12]

 
Tablet dedicated to the 42nd Division.A tablet at the camp commemorates the liberation of Dachau by the 42nd Infantry Division of the U.S. Seventh Army on 29 April 1945. Other claim that the first forces to enter the main camp were a battalion of the 157th Infantry Regiment of the 45th Infantry Division commanded by Felix L. Sparks. There is an on-going disagreement as to which division, the 42nd or the 45th, actually liberated Dachau because they seem to have approached by different routes and by the American Army's definition, anyone arriving at such a camp within 48 hours was a liberator.[13] General Patton visited the Buchenwald camp after it was liberated, but not Dachau.

The Americans found approximately 32,000 prisoners, crammed 1,600 to each of 20 barracks, which had been designed to house 250 people each.

The American troops were so horrified by conditions at the camp that a few shot some of the camp guards after they had surrendered in what is called the Dachau massacre. The number massacred is disputed as some Germans were killed in combat, some were killed while attempting to surrender, and others were killed after their surrender was accepted. Felix L. Sparks, the commander of a battalion that captured the camp, has stated that "The total number of German guards killed at Dachau during that day most certainly not exceed fifty, with thirty probably being a more accurate figure. The regimental records [of the 57th Infantry Regiment] for that date indicate that over a thousand German prisoners were brought to the regimental collecting point. Since my task force was leading the regimental attack, almost all the prisoners were taken by the task force, including several hundred from Dachau".[14] The "[American Army] Investigation of Alleged Mistreatment of German Guards at Dachau" found that about 15 Germans were killed (with another 4 or 5 wounded) after their surrender had been accepted. Two other reports collated years after the incident put the figure between 122 and 520 Germans killed after their surrender had been accepted.[15]

As a result of the American Army investigation court-martial charges were drawn up against Sparks and several other men under his command, but as General Patton, the recently appointed military governor of Bavaria, chose to dismiss the charges so the witnesses to the massacre were never cross examined in court and no one was found guilty.[14]

The U.S. troops also forced citizens of the local community to come to the camp, observe the conditions, and help clean the facilities. Many local residents were indignant about the experience and claimed no knowledge of the camp's activities.

[Wretched Excess]

as I recall from the excerpts that I have read from The Audacity of Hope, his mother was an only child, and his father was kenyan. 

edited for poor phraseology.

[Wretched Excess]

okay, maybe it was Dacau, not Auschwitz.  and maybe it was his great uncle, not his uncle.  hey, Baroque;  don't words matter?

that story still had the web buzzing up a storm this morning.  it was fun to chase it around.

[Willow]

some left wing lunatic called Glenn Beck this morning and actually said these words "You have taken it out of context, typical Republican reaction, now the word liberate does not literally mean liberate, in this context it means heard, so Baracks uncle in fact heard about the liberation of Aushwhich. Oh Jeez, I'm dying here! 

[dutch508]

what is your certainty based on?  as I recall from the excerpts that I have read from The Audacity of Hope, his mother was an only child, and his father was kenyan. 

What certainty are you alleging me to have?

I said I was pretty sure Barry was talking at Dachau, a concentration camp liberated by the American Army in late April 1945. There is very little chance that any of his immediate relation helped in the liberation of Auschwitz

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/26/politics/fromtheroad/entry4127479.shtml

“My grandfather marched in Patton’s army, but I cannot know what it is to walk into battle like so many of you,” he told a small group of veterans here. “My grandmother worked on a bomber assembly line, but I cannot know what it is for a family to sacrifice like so many of yours have.”

Patton's Army did liberate Dachau.

Obama also spoke about his uncle, who was part of the American brigade that helped to liberate Auschwitz.

now, having a father and son in the army in WWII would be very rare, but not unheard of.

the first post to this story is:

What uncle? He never had an uncle! And no American forces entered Auschwitz at all. Why is this idiot allowed to make up stories like this, insulting to both veterans and Holocaust victims, just to pump up his "cred" with vets? When will the media ever call him on this kind of flat-out lie?

As I said, I assume Barry meant Dachau, as we did liberate that camp. Maybe he meant his grandfather helped liberate Dachau, and horridly mis-spoke about both the camp and his relitive.

His grandfather:

Stanley Armour DUNHAM was born on 23 March 1918 in Kansas and died 8 February 1992 in Honolulu, Hawaii. He is buried in Punchbowl National Cemetery, Honolulu, Hawaii.

After Pearl Harbor, Stanley Dunham enlisted in the Army, and Madelyn worked during World War II on a Boeing aircraft B-29 assembly line in Wichita.

[Wretched Excess]

yeah, I saw it.  I finally got there.

gracias.


still, dragging your uncle into the conversation just to introduce the "victim card" at a memorial day commemoration is spectacularly shabby.

[Zeus]

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[Willow]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV1sxq8mqvA



oops sorry double post.

[Willow]

he went up to the attic and didn't leave for six months! 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Dutch, there is a book by another 45th ID officer, a doc, who went in with their advance party and took several snapshots (which are included in it), I remember reading most of it in the JAG School library years ago, "Day of the Thunderbird" or something like that though I may be thinking of one of the chapter titles.

It illustrates the timeless military value of being lucky.  Apparently the main Algemeine SS guard weasels left a day or two ahead of the Americans, turning the camp over to what was essentially a company of Waffen SS mech infantry from 5th SS "Viking" Division to surrender, troops who had until a day-and-a-half before the GIs arrived really nothing to do with concentration camp or death camp operations.  Also left behind were the Algemeine SS guards who were in the guardhouse or otherwise NMC.  So basically, almost all the guards shot were clueless grunts in the wrong place at the wrong time, or the death camp guards who weren't doing their jobs.  Essentially all the worst assholes were 'lucky' and got away scot free.

Such is the hand of fate; it gooses and moves on.   

[Uhhuh35]

I said I was pretty sure Barry was talking at Dachau, a concentration camp liberated by the American Army in late April 1945. There is very little chance that any of his immediate relation helped in the liberation of Auschwitz

Yeah but Dachau just isn't the holocaust icon that Auschwitz is. I'd bet most Americans would think of the little dog if Dachau is mentioned.

[Wretched Excess]

I said I was pretty sure Barry was talking at Dachau, a concentration camp liberated by the American Army in late April 1945. There is very little chance that any of his immediate relation helped in the liberation of Auschwitz

Yeah but Dachau just isn't the holocaust icon that Auschwitz is. I'd bet most Americans would think of the little dog if Dachau is mentioned.

that's another possible explanation for the auschwitz "mixup";  he has been in florida begging for jewish votes.  if he can somehow connect himself to the liberation of auschwitz, that's instant nirvana.

 

[Willow]

I said I was pretty sure Barry was talking at Dachau, a concentration camp liberated by the American Army in late April 1945. There is very little chance that any of his immediate relation helped in the liberation of Auschwitz

Yeah but Dachau just isn't the holocaust icon that Auschwitz is. I'd bet most Americans would think of the little dog if Dachau is mentioned.

that's another possible explanation for the auschwitz "mixup";  he has been in florida begging for jewish votes.  if he can somehow connect himself to the liberation of auschwitz, that's instant nirvana.



bullseye!
 

[dutch508]

TacticalPeek (1000+ posts)      Tue May-27-08 06:14 PM
Original message http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6149907
Obama misspeaks. Where in the world is Auschwitz?
 Advertisements [?]Edited on Tue May-27-08 06:26 PM by TacticalPeek


Candidate Watch

Where in the world is Auschwitz?

"I had an uncle who was one of the, um, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family is that when he came home he just went up in the attic and he didn't leave the house for six months."
--Barack Obama, Memorial Day speech, Las Cruces, NM.

In an attempt to burnish his credentials with America's veterans, Barack Obama has frequently talked about his grandfather "who served in Patton's army." He has now added a new episode to his World War II repertoire: the uncle who liberated Auschwitz. Unfortunately, the story shows that the presumptive Democratic nominee has a poor grasp of European history and geography.
The Facts

UPDATED FRIDAY 5:30 P.M.

Auschwitz is located in southern Poland, near the city of Krakow. It was liberated by the Red Army on January 27, 1945. At the time, U.S. armies were still on the western borders of Germany, a thousand miles away, regrouping after the Battle of the Bulge. The Americans had not even crossed the Rhine at this point.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/whe...


More ad fodder for 'untrustworthy'.

even the DUmmies are ragging on Barry for this one...

Bornaginhooligan (1000+ posts)      Tue May-27-08 06:16 PM
Response to Original message
2. It turns out it was Buchenwald, not Auschwitz.
 Makes you look pretty dumb, doesn't it?

Was it? Has Barry made a correction?

tokenlib  (1000+ posts)      Tue May-27-08 06:18 PM
Response to Original message
9. And some of the Auschwitz prisoners had been sent to Buchenwald....
 Edited on Tue May-27-08 06:19 PM by tokenlib
...so there.... it was a misspeak--but essentially true except for the name switch.

Oooo...the old Factually truth line. Good one.

beachmom  (1000+ posts)      Tue May-27-08 06:34 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. No, you are a smear artist, and you are "Higginsboating" Obama's great uncle
 Who liberated Ohrdruf concentration camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrdruf_forced_labor_camp

The ghastly nature of their discovery led General Dwight D. Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces in Europe, to visit the camp on April 12, with Generals George S. Patton and Omar Bradley. After his visit, Eisenhower cabled General George C. Marshall, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Washington, describing his trip to Ohrdruf:

. . .the most interesting--although horrible--sight that I encountered during the trip was a visit to a German internment camp near Gotha. The things I saw beggar description. While I was touring the camp I encountered three men who had been inmates and by one ruse or another had made their escape. I interviewed them through an interpreter. The visual evidence and the verbal testimony of starvation, cruelty and bestiality were so overpowering as to leave me a bit sick. In one room, where they were piled up twenty or thirty naked men, killed by starvation, George Patton would not even enter. He said that he would get sick if he did so. I made the visit deliberately, in order to be in a position to give first-hand evidence of these things if ever, in the future, there develops a tendency to charge these allegations merely to 'propaganda

.'
 
Wait...a third concentration camp that barry's grandfather might have liberated?

K Gardner  (1000+ posts)       Tue May-27-08 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #23
36. What's the difference between Auschwitz and Buchenwald.. jerk. 

Plenty.

One of the major Nazi concentration camps was set up in 1937 at Buchenwald, on the Ettersberg Hill near Weimar in Thüringen. Buchenwald remained one of the major camps throughout the history of the Third Reich, with numerous subcamps under its administration. Buchenwald was not, per se, an extermination camp (such as Auschwitz), but prisoners were starved, maltreated, and worked to death in the camp quarry and adjacent armaments factories. Russian POWs and others were executed and cremated. Buchenwald was also made infamous by Ilse Koch, wife of camp commandant Karl Koch. Frau Koch had a fancy for prisoners' tattoos, and would often have these flayed from the victims and preserved, sometimes as lampshades. Jews and Gypsies were transported from Buchenwald to extermination camps further east, for annihilation. Later, as these camps were overrun by the Soviet Army, prisoners were crammed into Buchenwald, some 13,000 of whom died during three months in 1945 alone. The total death toll at Buchenwald may never be known, but it was at least 51,000.

   The camp was liberated by the U.S. Army on 11 April 1945, when the American soldiers found that the inmates had already taken the camp over after most of the SS guards fled, and were organizing its surrender. Buchenwald was one of the first glimpses that Americans had of the horrors of the concentration camp system. After the war the Soviets used Buchenwald as a "Special Camp" for German and other political prisoners, some 7100 of whom died there from 1945-1950. 
http://www.thirdreichruins.com/buchenwald.htm

http://isurvived.org/AUSCHWITZ_TheCamp.html

Auschwitz, located in Oswiecim outside of Cracow, Poland, has become a symbol of the Holocaust. One of the main reasons that Nazi Germany established the camp there was because it was a central intersection of roads and railways. Before the Second World War, Jews living in Oswiecim, who were often artisans or merchants, constituted approximately half of this small town's population. After the Holocaust, it may be argued that Oswiecim will forever be overshadowed by Auschwitz-Birkenau, the largest of the Nazi concentration camps and extermination centers.

[dutch508]

[megimoo]

some left wing lunatic called Glenn Beck this morning and actually said these words "You have taken it out of context, typical Republican reaction, now the word liberate does not literally mean liberate, in this context it means heard, so Baracks uncle in fact heard about the liberation of Aushwhich. Oh Jeez, I'm dying here! 

Go and read the Liberal apologists at NU.They were twisted in knots trying to explain just what he said,Dolphy and Bjork whats his face were funny but Terr held them to it !It was his grandfather,no his uncle,his mother was an only child,his fathers older brother and so it went !

[dutch508]

OOOoooops!
I am sure Barry will ge the story right pretty soon!

A New Problem For Obama? His Aushwitz liberating Uncle who hid in the attic, was in the navy!
http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/05/a-new-problem-f.html ^ | Dan Riehl

Posted on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:36:02 by hecht

A New Problem For Obama? Okay, so we have supposedly learned that it was Obama's Great Uncle that liberated a sub-section of Buchenwald, not an uncle at Auschwitz. But if sources are correct and unless there's some arcane military history in his favor, Obama still has a problem.

His only Great Uncle is Charles W. Payne. It at least appears that no one by that name from Kansas served in the Army during WWII.

Charles W. Payne of Kansas, with a similar birth era, served in the Navy during WWII.

What Obama's campaign released via first link above states he served in the Infantry. I assume it's possible the records are wrong, or he changed branches. But I'm unaware of that as a standard practice. Perhaps it happened during WWII for manpower reasons? Otherwise, Obama's Great Uncle would seem to have done most of his marching and liberating while at sea.

Information about the infantry division that Obama’s great uncle was a part of that took part in the liberation of a sub-camp of the Buchenwald concentration camp in Nazi Germany

[dutch508]

Yesterday's Story:

malik flavors  (1000+ posts)      Tue May-27-08 04:53 PM
Original message
Obama's Great Uncle Was A Member Of The 89th Infantry Division That Liberated The Ohrduf Camp
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Categories: Barack Obama

Obama's World War II history


Earlier, the Republican National Committee pounced on Obama's improbable statement that an uncle had served in the unit that liberated Auschwitz.

In fact, campaign spokesman Bill Burton says, his great uncle was a member of the 89th Infantry Division that liberated the Ohrduf camp, part of Buchenwald and according to the Holocaust Museum, the first concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops.

The soldier in question, Burton said, is Obama's grandmother's brother, who's still alive.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Obamas_Worl...

 

Major Hogwash (1000+ posts)       Tue May-27-08 06:31 PM
Response to Original message
80. This is awesome! His uncle was one of our heroes! We looked up to those men since we were kids!!
 This is the greatest news yet!! Damn!! This is way cool!!!!

Irony. nuf' said

[Tess Anderson]

Poor baby, he just *mispoke*. I've read through all of the Memorial day Barack Hussein Obama posts, but I haven't seen this, so I'll post it:

The gaffes continued this holiday weekend for the media's presidential candidate.

Having mispronounced the name of the Florida city he was speaking in on Friday, as well as erred about what president was in the White House when Hugo Chavez took over Venezuela, Barack Obama talked about seeing dead people in the audience during a Memorial Day speech in Las Cruces, New Mexico.

Of course, you're not likely to hear about this, because it seems a metaphysical certitude Obama-loving meda won't consider this newsworthy.

As such, consider yourself fortunate that Gateway Pundit found another delicious campaign mistake for us (video embedded right):

On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.

This guy's seeing dead people, and folks are worried about McCain developing Alzheimer's?

full article: link

So now he's reaching out to the dead vets that come out to hear him speak?
 

[Wretched Excess]

either he is seeing dead people, or he has no real clue as to what memorial day is actually all about.  I actually suspect it is probably the latter.

[Miss Mia]

Obama's World War II history

Earlier, the Republican National Committee pounced on Obama's improbable statement that an uncle had served in the unit that liberated Auschwitz.

In fact, campaign spokesman Bill Burton says, his great uncle was a member of the 89th Infantry Division that liberated the Ohrduf camp, part of Buchenwald and, according to the Holocaust Museum, the first concentration camp liberated by U.S. troops.

The soldier in question, Burton said, is Obama's grandmother's brother, who's still alive.
UPDATE: "Senator Obama’s family is proud of the service of his grandfather and uncles in World War II – especially the fact that his great uncle was a part of liberating one of the concentration camps at Buchenwald. Yesterday he mistakenly referred to Auschwitz instead of Buchenwald in telling of his personal experience of a soldier in his family who served heroically," Burton says.

UPDATE: RNC spokesman Alex Conant, who said earlier that Obama's mistake raised questions about his "readiness to lead", moderates a bit: "At times it appears that Barack Obama inaccurately recalls his own history and American history, so it’s important that we point to the facts. In this case, we’re happy to see that he took the time to set the record straight."

link

Holocaust Museum confirms, Obama's uncle's Infantry Division liberated Buchenwald 

*snip*

Yesterday, Obama mentioned that his uncle, Charlie Payne, helped to liberate the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz. The Republicans were hoping that they could catch Obama lying - that maybe Obama never had an uncle who helped liberate the Jews in Europe. Well, in fact, Obama's uncle (his grandmother's brother) helped liberate the Nazi camp at Buchenwald (Obama mixed up Auschwitz and Buchenwald). So the Republicans (and a few Hillary fans emailed me as well) are trying to allege... what exactly? That Obama's family did in fact help save the Jews in Europe, but Obama got the name of the camp he liberated wrong? Okay. I'm not quite sure how that gives us any insight into Obama (other than his uncle is a hero) - I don't really know the difference Auschwitz, Buchenwald, Bergen Belsen and the rest of the camps. I just know that I'd be damn proud if a member of my family helped liberate them. Not to mention, according to the US Holocaust Museum, Obama's uncle's Infantry Division didn't just liberate one of the camps that made up Buchenwald. It was the first Nazi concentration camp liberated by US troops in all of Germany. That's pretty amazing.

*snip*
  link

[Miss Mia]

Concerning the service of Mr. Charles Payne: C.T. Payne was a soldier in the 89th Infantry Division. He served in the 355th Infantry Regiment, Company K. The 355th Infantry Regiment was the unit to liberate Ohrdruf. Mr. Payne was there

This website has been created to honor the service of the 89th Infantry Division during the Second World War. The 89th, known as the Rolling W, served with distinction during combat operations in Europe from March-May, 1945.

This website was created by 89th veteran Raymond E. Kitchell and his son Mark R. Kitchell. We are grateful to the contributions of histories, stories and pictures from numerous 89th Infantry veterans and their families, and from the 89th Infantry Division Society.

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