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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2012, 08:39:38 AM »
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7. Violence against property is often morally justified

Violence against people is rarely morally justified

I DARE you to try this in Georgia. ...and no, don't be a *****, go out in the country while the person is home and start tearing his shit up. We'll be rid of your ass in less than 3 seconds rounds.
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2012, 09:19:45 AM »
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7. Violence against property is often morally justified

Spoken like someone who has done nothing in their life to actually accumulate any property.

Remember the old lesson we learned as children that if we didn't earn it, it doesn't mean as much?  Looks like the Oakland main-liner was hot shotting the day that one was reviewed.
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2012, 09:22:16 AM »
When you get your WW2 or see the bottom line of your selfemployed efforts deminshed by the government assisted hands of the DUmmies in your pocket then...
Violence is Morally Justified.

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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2012, 09:25:48 AM »
People who worry about whether violence is 'Morally justified' in a situation are overthinking it, to make up for the lack of the moral compass necessary to make the decision when the situation arises. 

As an approach to dangerous situations, it's also a good way to come in second in a gunfight.
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2012, 09:34:13 AM »
Quote from: BadCat on February 21, 2012, 07:09:59 AM
Castle doctrine here.

C'mon down and **** with my property, Taverner.  You'll never hear the shot...I promise.
We are still waiting on that one here in the Old Dominion. You would think that a state with really good gun laws would have that but we don't. :bawl:
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2012, 10:10:54 AM »
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31. Anyone who kills another over property has committed cold blooded murder IMO

The Revolutionary War was fought over property and who would rule over it.

IOW the colonists should have never declared their independence from England and, when the British sent their military to put down the rebellion and keep the the colonies as they were, the colonists should not have taken up arms against them.

Poor Taverner.  A mind is a terrible thing.

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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2012, 10:12:50 AM »
Quote from: USA4ME on February 21, 2012, 10:10:54 AM
The Revolutionary War was fought over property and who would rule over it.

IOW the colonists should have never declared their independence from England and, when the British sent their military to put down the rebellion and keep the the colonies as they were, the colonists should not have taken up arms against them.

Poor Taverner.  A mind is a terrible thing.

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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #32 on: February 21, 2012, 10:20:16 AM »
What a douche nozzle. I dare him as well to try and do something to anyones property around here. One time some kids were going around taking baseball bats to mailboxes until one owner took a shot at them with a rifle and shot out the back window of the car they were driving.
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #33 on: February 21, 2012, 11:44:13 AM »
Quote from: diesel driver on February 20, 2012, 05:36:26 PM
I tell you what, Tav, ol' buddy.

You "commit violence" against MY property, justified or not, and I will be intensely violent on your sorry ass.   :killemall:
"With Extreme Prejudice" if you get my drift.

Far as Ah'm concerned, violence against a DUmbass is always justified. You pukes ever talk to me like you brag you do to other conservatives, and I'll stomp a mud puddle in yer ass! And as Diesel says, "with extreme prejudice"!
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2012, 12:54:22 PM »
Quote from: AllosaursRus on February 21, 2012, 11:44:13 AM
Far as Ah'm concerned, violence against a DUmbass is always justified. You pukes ever talk to me like you brag you do to other conservatives, and I'll stomp a mud puddle in yer ass! And as Diesel says, "with extreme prejudice"!

I myself am not prejudice....just extreme.
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2012, 01:02:13 PM »
There is "justifiable homicide". Check out this story from Savannah,GA.

http://www.wtoc.com/story/16410805/police-suspect-shot-by-wendys-worker-during-robbery

They did not file charges against the worker....called the shooting justifiable homicide.
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2012, 03:52:19 PM »
Quote from: dixierose on February 21, 2012, 01:02:13 PM
There is "justifiable homicide". Check out this story from Savannah,GA.

http://www.wtoc.com/story/16410805/police-suspect-shot-by-wendys-worker-during-robbery

They did not file charges against the worker....called the shooting justifiable homicide.

I wonder if the guy was fired by Wendy's though?
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2012, 04:20:53 PM »
From an article in the local paper...

http://savannahnow.com/latest-news/2011-12-30/police-seeking-second-suspect-wendys-robbery-shooting#.T0QYSfEgeRg



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Bryan Saba, chief operations officer for the Wilmington Island Wendy’s franchise, said Dasher was not barred from carrying a gun while on duty.

“I’ve never told him he could have a gun at work. I’ve never told him he couldn’t,” Saba said, but added that he doesn’t “encourage anybody to carry a weapon into the store."

Wendy’s International does not set safety policies for franchisees, according to a company spokesman Denny Lynch.

Saba said he has reviewed safety procedures with Dasher since the incident and expressed sympathy for Clark’s family and for Dasher. Regardless of the robbery, Clark was “still somebody’s son,” Saba said.

Dasher was closing the restaurant when the robbery happened, according to a police report. His employee left the door open after taking out the trash. Two men, their faces covered and wearing black, accosted Dasher inside the restaurant, putting a gun to his head, forcing him into an office and robbing him.

The robbers made off with an undisclosed amount of cash, running east toward Johnny Mercer Boulevard. Police say Dasher went for his handgun, shooting Clark in the head in Blue Fin Circle, a commercial drive that runs off U.S. 80 to the Wendy’s.

Dasher told police Clark pointed a pistol at him just before he shot him.

It doesn't sound like they fired him...he had the gun in his car NOT in the store.
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2012, 10:31:12 AM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on February 21, 2012, 09:25:48 AM
People who worry about whether violence is 'Morally justified' in a situation are overthinking it, to make up for the lack of the moral compass necessary to make the decision when the situation arises. 

As an approach to dangerous situations, it's also a good way to come in second in a gunfight.
Very true, libs struggle with any issue that involves needing a moral compass.
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2012, 01:27:37 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on February 21, 2012, 09:25:48 AM
People who worry about whether violence is 'Morally justified' in a situation are overthinking it, to make up for the lack of the moral compass necessary to make the decision when the situation arises. 

As an approach to dangerous situations, it's also a good way to come in second in a gunfight.

Second place in a gunfight usually means your the first loser and probably dead. Neither of which I ever intend to be.  DUmmies love to talk about taking guns away and how much safer it would be without them. If it's so safe to live in a place with no guns the why don't they move to where there aren't any? I've heard that places like Detroit is wonderfull to live in as long as you don't mind ducking for cover from all the illeagle guns being used
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2012, 02:58:48 PM »
Quote from: Airwolf on February 21, 2012, 10:20:16 AM
What a douche nozzle. I dare him as well to try and do something to anyones property around here. One time some kids were going around taking baseball bats to mailboxes until one owner took a shot at them with a rifle and shot out the back window of the car they were driving.

Which reminds me of a rather amusing story from my younger years......myself and my family lived in the suburbs of NYC, and a bunch of "yoots" thought it very amusing to cruise the subdivisions in theiir cars the night before the garbage was collected......smashing into the cans, destroying them, and spreading trash all over the street.

My neighbor and I hatched a plot.......we borrowed his father's pickup truck, took four garbage cans to Jones Beach, and filled them with wet sand......placed them out on the night before the garbage was to be collected (it required two people and an appliance dolly to move each of them).  About 2 AM, we were all awakened by this terriffic "crash", and after dressing, and running out to the street, we found an abandoned (and totalled) car in the middle of the street......we quickly dumped the sand into  the storm sewer, and replaced the cans with the ones containing trash......we never had a problem with this type of vandalsim again.

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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2012, 05:00:41 PM »
Quote from: TVDOC on February 22, 2012, 02:58:48 PM
Which reminds me of a rather amusing story from my younger years......myself and my family lived in the suburbs of NYC, and a bunch of "yoots" thought it very amusing to cruise the subdivisions in theiir cars the night before the garbage was collected......smashing into the cans, destroying them, and spreading trash all over the street.

My neighbor and I hatched a plot.......we borrowed his father's pickup truck, took four garbage cans to Jone's Beach, and filled them with wet sand......placed them out on the night before the garbage was to be collected (it required two people and an appliance dolly to move each of them).  About 2 AM, we were all awakened by this terriffic "crash", and after dressing, and running out to the street, we found an abandoned (and totalled) car in the middle of the street......we quickly dumped the sand into  the storm sewer, and replaced the cans with the ones containing trash......we never had a problem with this type of vandalsim again.

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My father had a friend who worked for one of the local County transportation departments, and my father's best friend would get into his old car (which, as my father described it, was almost an M4 Sherman tank) and go looking for the road crews' barrels out in the boonies, many years ago.  Well, the best friend would mow them down.  Said other friend got pissed off, and one day filled one of those barrels with all sorts of rip rap and BFRs (Big ****ing Rocks).  So, the best friend was out with the gang that oncoming weekend, mowing down barrels, and WHAM!  They found the one that had 400 lbs. of rocks in it.  For some strange reason, said best friend never did that again . . .
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2012, 11:55:47 PM »
Little risk of violence from a nodding mainline junkie like DUmmy Taverner. He might steal the GPS out of your car, or break into your garage, but violence is too much like work.
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2012, 05:12:24 AM »
Quote from: BlueStateSaint on February 22, 2012, 05:00:41 PM
My father had a friend who worked for one of the local County transportation departments, and my father's best friend would get into his old car (which, as my father described it, was almost an M4 Sherman tank) and go looking for the road crews' barrels out in the boonies, many years ago.  Well, the best friend would mow them down.  Said other friend got pissed off, and one day filled one of those barrels with all sorts of rip rap and BFRs (Big ****ing Rocks).  So, the best friend was out with the gang that oncoming weekend, mowing down barrels, and WHAM!  They found the one that had 400 lbs. of rocks in it.  For some strange reason, said best friend never did that again . . .

My brother told me a story from a friend of his that had trouble with his mailbox getting hit and run over about every other week.  Friend finally got tired of it and sank a 6X6 I-beam about 4 feet into the ground, boxed it up to look like a 6X6 post, and put his mailbox on top of it.
Two weeks later, he came out one morning to a car "parked" on top of the mailbox post.  No more problems after that.   :lmao:

We used to have problems every now and then with kids coming down my road and hitting mailboxes with bats or whatever.  A few of us fabricated some mailboxes out of 1/4 inch plate steel (a guy down the road had a machine shop and rolled the plate for us), painted them to look just like a new box, and welded them on top of 4 inch pieces of steam conduit.  In the 10 years since we've done that (some of those boxes are still standing), no mailboxes have been damaged, although one of the "good" ones has a few dings.   :lmao:

The BEST mailbox I've ever seen is on one of the routes I sub on.  It's made out of 1/2 inch thick 4X10 rectangular tubing stock, with 1/4 plate welded on one end, and a door made out of 1/4 plate and 1X1 angle iron.  I bet the thing weighs 200 pounds, because the door weighs 10!  (And YES, I said 1/2 inch thick.  It's bulletproof, literally.)

Makes my hands sting just thinking what hitting it with a baseball bat would feel like.   :lmao:
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Re: When is Violence Morally Justified?
« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2012, 09:50:01 AM »
Quote from: diesel driver on February 23, 2012, 05:12:24 AM
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Speaking of mailboxes, the best "gotcha" I have ever seen was pulled on a mailman that had a bit of a drinking problem.

Our mailman would get his mail then sit in the high school parking lot (this was summer) and get smashed before doing his route.  Mail would end up all over the neighborhood.  Now, this wasn't entirely a bad thing - we got to see each other in the evening and pass some nice words while we sorted out our mail.  It was, however, a bit trifling when we consider the fact that the US Mail was not supposed to work that way and the frikkin' mailman was one of our neighbors.

Some smartass 13 year old kid got the bright idea to shove a stray cat into a roadside mailbox one night and see what would happen when the mailman (we'll call him Jack Daniels) made his delivery. 

The next afternoon, after having to turn himself around in a mailbox and sitting in the summer sun for a bit, Mr Kitty was plenty pissed off and ready to get out.  Here came "Jack", doing his low speed swerve approach to the mailbox and stopped right in front of it.  He turned his head to get the mail while using his left hand and opened the mailbox with his right.  About the time Mr Kitty saw daylight, he made a run for it and tore "Jack's" ass up from finger tip to finger tip.  I will be the first to tell you that a rapid sobering from a traumatic event is never fun and I'll bet having a pissed off kitty using your skin for traction made the effects of the whiskey vanish pretty quickly.

He retired not long after that incident.....
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