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Offline dutch508

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Was Jesus gay?
« on: August 28, 2008, 06:59:28 AM »
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Archae (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-28-08 12:25 AM
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Was Jesus gay? 
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I got into a real row, I said Jesus was gay, since he did nothing but hang around with 12 guys.

The guy the two of us were were screaming at, said "Jesus hated gays."

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Swede  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-28-08 12:27 AM
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1. Well he had something going on with Mary Magdalene.
 Bi maybe?



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Robeson  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-28-08 12:30 AM
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2. There is no historical proof that there was a Jesus. So everything becomes...
 ...a conjecture.


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GoddessOfGuinness  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-28-08 12:36 AM
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3. I couldn't say whether he was or not; but I'm certain Jesus
 didn't hate anybody...even those who persecuted him. It reminds me of many gay friends I have, who don't hate the people who persecute them.

There are no passages in the Bible in which Jesus condemns homosexuals or homosexuality.

Paul seemed to feel that was his job.


Jesus went out of his way to treat all people with respect. He judged not a person's sins, but taught that all could find forgiveness for them if they did but seek for it. He did not condone sin, he preached foregiveness of sin.

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WinkyDink  (1000+ posts)      Thu Aug-28-08 03:01 AM
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6. The apostle/follower whom He kissed was likely Mary Magdalene. He appeared first to her post-
 Resurrection. The Wedding at Cana might have been His, to her.

Now, I'm not asserting His existence. Just saying that what is written can be interpreted as Christ's having a relationship with Mary M., while there is nothing written to indicate any gay relationship.


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crimsonblue  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-28-08 03:11 AM
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7. well Jesus is a fabrication by the Roman Catholic Church
 so I'd say No.
 

The Roman Catholic Church started over two hundred years after Christ's death. There were christian churches before the Catholic church started.

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Breeze54  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-28-08 03:24 AM
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9. Wrong... Jesus was JEWISH and lauded by Catholics for his humanitarianism.


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terrya  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-28-08 06:57 AM
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13. For the 10,000th time, there was no mention whatsoever of homosexuality in the New Testament
 Jesus never uttered one word about homosexuality. On the contrary, his teaches suggests that Jesus would have been accepting of homosexuality.

There are some people so steeped in their ignorance that they can't be helped.


When Jesus told the prostitute he saved from stoning (He without sin cast the first stone) he did not say: Go and sin some more. He told her to go and live a life without sin.




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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2008, 07:09:04 AM »
YES JESUS WAS GAY!!!!!!!!! He seemed to be very happy, content, cool, calm, collected and relaxed most of the Time. ....and then the damn faggots came along and ruined a perfectly good word and name.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2008, 09:56:16 AM »
I don't know if Jesus is gay, but I know that His Father seems content to **** me up the ass when opportunity permits. 

I guess if there was a 'gay gene' Jesus might be prone to the same proclivities, but I can't say the he's gay at this time...
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2008, 10:14:38 AM »
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terrya  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-28-08 06:57 AM
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13. For the 10,000th time, there was no mention whatsoever of homosexuality in the New Testament
 Jesus never uttered one word about homosexuality. On the contrary, his teaches suggests that Jesus would have been accepting of homosexuality.

There are some people so steeped in their ignorance that they can't be helped.
A theological point so shallow as to be laughable.

Who do they think wrote the Old Testament?

I could expound for considerable length about the NT relying on the OT but why bother.

The NT assumes Jesus to be God among men and God wrote the OT, anti-gay injunctions and all; ergo Jesus wrote the anti-gay injunctions. Please don't leap out at me with the "grace/salvation from sin" doctrines; I am well aware of them I'm simply adressing the matter at hand.

That said, even if one denies Jesus' divinity we are asked if he came to overturn God's law as if God had erred and the newcomer was greater than his creator. Even being absurd as that we have to ask if the laws against stealing, usury, rape (very "not mentioned" in the NT), murder and whatnot are also on the legislative chopping block.

Fact is: humans are very fond of their private sins and they will spend considerable amounts of time explaining to God why He was wrong and their habit should be exempt from his judgement.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2008, 10:38:59 AM »
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There are no passages in the Bible in which Jesus condemns homosexuals or homosexuality.

Paul seemed to feel that was his job.

There's no passages where Jesus commanded on what day to partake of the Lord's Supper, or when to give as you've been prospered, or any number of things having to do with the work and worship of the church.  So what's your point?

Paul was an Apostle and an inspired writer of God's Word, and as such his words and writings were guided by the HS.  If, for example, Paul wrote homosexuality was a sin, it's because that's what God had him write on the topic because God views it as a sin.  If the only passages you believe are important are the "ones in red letters," then you're in for a big eye-opening, and at a time you wish you had realized it earlier.

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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2008, 10:41:21 AM »
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The guy the two of us were were screaming at, said "Jesus hated gays."
Libs are so genteel.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2008, 10:44:39 AM »
Christ was born into Jewish society 2000 years ago. We can see the laws they observed in the Old Testament. Queers would have been routinely stoned to death. The fact that civilization (with the exception of savages like the muzzies) has moved beyond stoning makes queers and their lifestyle no less abhorrent to decent people. The suggestion of the OP is a sacrilege beyond description.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2008, 11:36:07 AM »
You would figure they would at least make some effort to actually study a subject before they post on it.
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2008, 11:43:14 AM »
Quote from: Vagabond on August 28, 2008, 11:36:07 AM
You would figure they would at least make some effort to actually study a subject before they post on it.

Why would they start now?
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2008, 02:49:12 PM »
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GoddessOfGuinness  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-28-08 12:36 AM
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3. I couldn't say whether he was or not; but I'm certain Jesus
 didn't hate anybody...even those who persecuted him. It reminds me of many gay friends I have, who don't hate the people who persecute them.

There are no passages in the Bible in which Jesus condemns homosexuals or homosexuality.

Paul seemed to feel that was his job.

OK, let's see what Jesus said about marriage.

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4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
Matthew 19:4-6

OK. He seems pretty specific that marriage is between a man and a woman. Now let's take a look at that homosexual thing.

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16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "
Matthew 15:16-20

Seems that sexual immorality makes a person unclean and Jesus condemn it. Now lets look and see what sexual immorality is defined to be.

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22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

 23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

Leviticus 18:22-23 (Interesting that these acts follow each other in the Bible. Seems homosexuality is on par with beastiality.

As the DUer pointed out, Paul does have an idea as to what sexual immorality is
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26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Romans 1:26-27


OK GoddessOfGuinness, The Old and New Testaments define homosexuality as sexual immorality and Jesus specfically condemns sexual immorality. Any more Biblical questions?
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Re: Was Jesus gay?
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2008, 05:00:47 PM »
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GoddessOfGuinness  (1000+ posts)       Thu Aug-28-08 12:36 AM
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3. I couldn't say whether he was or not; but I'm certain Jesus
 didn't hate anybody...even those who persecuted him. It reminds me of many gay friends I have, who don't hate the people who persecute them.

There are no passages in the Bible in which Jesus condemns homosexuals or homosexuality.

Paul seemed to feel that was his job.

OK, let's see what Jesus said about marriage.

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4"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' 5and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? 6So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."
Matthew 19:4-6

OK. He seems pretty specific that marriage is between a man and a woman. Now let's take a look at that homosexual thing.

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16"Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them. 17"Don't you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20These are what make a man 'unclean'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him 'unclean.' "
Matthew 15:16-20

Seems that sexual immorality makes a person unclean and Jesus condemn it. Now lets look and see what sexual immorality is defined to be.

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22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

 23 " 'Do not have sexual relations with an animal and defile yourself with it. A woman must not present herself to an animal to have sexual relations with it; that is a perversion.

Leviticus 18:22-23 (Interesting that these acts follow each other in the Bible. Seems homosexuality is on par with beastiality.

As the DUer pointed out, Paul does have an idea as to what sexual immorality is
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26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

Romans 1:26-27


OK GoddessOfGuinness, The Old and New Testaments define homosexuality as sexual immorality and Jesus specfically condemns sexual immorality. Any more Biblical questions?

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