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I worry about the continued survival of the buzzy one, who's not a primitive, but merely an accidental resident, on Skins's island.

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Buzz Clik  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 09:22 AM
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If a kids' camp existed for agnostic and atheist kids to freely discuss the lack of a God...
   
... would that be atheistic evangelism?

I cannot imagine why it would not. And I cannot think of anything more bizarre.

(And yes, such a camp exists)

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NightWatcher  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 09:23 AM
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1. as long as the counsellors arent priests, it's all good because no one will get molested
   
here Timmy, this can be our little secret

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JerseygirlCT  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 09:25 AM
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2. I suppose... sort of?
   
In any event, it wouldn't trouble me.

Why shouldn't people - including kids - be free to discuss their beliefs (or lack thereof?).

Wouldn't the discussion about the lack of a God be sort of a short one? I'm having a hard time picturing that part.

But if there are kids who have been raised without a belief in a diety, then I imagine the chance to spend time with others like them would be pleasant.

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TechBear_Seattle  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 09:27 AM
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3. "Evangelism" requires taking ones own beliefs and bringing them to non-believers   

A religious camp where Christian kids can freely discuss Jesus and God is not evangelical. An evangelical camp would be one where believers in a particular set of beliefs work to indoctrinate children into those beliefs (think "Jesus Camp.")

An "atheistic evangelical" camp would be one where atheist adults attempted to brainwash religious children into non-religion. I have never heard of such things. The closest I know about are camps where children, who may or may not believe, are allowed to have fun without religious or theological brainwashing of any kind, either for or against. That would not meet the definition of "atheistic evangelism."

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SteelPenguin  (960 posts) Thu Aug-07-08 09:27 AM
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4. Link for Camp?
   
If the camp is purely about that, I'd consider it odd, but if it's a regular summer camp that has that as part of it's basis, I don't see anythign bizarre about it.

When I went to camp when I was young, and agnostic, I was forced to put up with Christian prayers at mealtime, and Sunday service. I had no choice in the matter. Of course this was in the south many years ago. If I had the option of sending my kids to a summer camp that advertised itself as agnostic, where there would explicitly be no prayers or sunday services, I would definitely consider it.

However if it were a core aspect of the camp where every day they discussed agnostic or atheistic philosophy, that would be too weird, and I probably wouldn't send my kids there.

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cobalt1999  (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 09:27 AM
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5. Wouldn't it get boring fast?
   
How long can you discuss the non-existence of fictional beings without getting bored? I give it 10 minutes.

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Mass  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 09:28 AM
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6. And? Not sure what your point is. There is nothing wrong for kids to discuss religions as long as they respect each others. It is actually a good exercise to understand that, because your neighbor thinks differently than you do, they are evil.

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Buzz Clik  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 09:34 AM
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7. My point is pretty simple: atheism is the absence of religion. Making a religion of it is weird.
   
I watch very little television because it's unimportant to me. If someone created a television program directed toward people who don't like television, no one would watch it.

If atheists truly do not believe in God, then they should be able to walk this earth totally ignoring those who do.

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Kittycat  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 09:35 AM
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9. Then don't send your kids.
   
Some people would like to discuss science with the absence of god. Others would like to discuss the impact perceived gods and religion have on society - and how they differ. Given that many children in the US are raised with Christian Ideals - maybe some parents want their children to understand the difference, and why they aren't religious.

And for the record - we're an Agnostic household that leans UU/Christian. I was raised in a christian fundamentalist household, and the daughter & niece of pastors.

Uh-oh.

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IanDB1  Donating Member  (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-07-08 09:35 AM
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10. That would be Camp Quest   

Camp Quest is the first residential summer camp in the history of the United States for the children of Atheists, Freethinkers, Humanists, Brights, or whatever other terms might be applied to those who hold to a naturalistic, not supernatural world view.

The purpose of Camp Quest is to provide children of freethinking parents a residential summer camp dedicated to improving the human condition through rational inquiry, critical and creative thinking, scientific method, self-respect, ethics, competency, democracy, free speech, and the separation of religion and government guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States.

Camp Quest was first held in 1996 and until 2002 was operated by the Free Inquiry Group, Inc. (FIG) of Cincinnati and Northern Kentucky. The idea for the project originated with Edwin Kagin and he and his wife Helen served as Camp Directors for the first ten years of the original Camp Quest, retiring at the end of the 2005 camp session.

Currently Camp Quest, Inc., an independent 501(c)(3) educational non-profit, operates the Ohio Camp Quest and works to coordinate with and support the other independently governed Camp Quest programs. Six Camp Quest summer camps currently offer programs across North America.

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http://www.camp-quest.org/
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Re: buzzy one still alive on Skin's island; wants to go camping with losers
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2008, 11:44:01 AM »
They have an atheist summer camp....good...they can quit f***ing with the Boy Scouts.
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Re: buzzy one still alive on Skin's island; wants to go camping with losers
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2008, 04:43:38 PM »
They have an atheist summer camp....good...they can quit f***ing with the Boy Scouts.
It's ok JR we in the scouts pretty much ignore them anyway! :-)
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Re: buzzy one still alive on Skin's island; wants to go camping with losers
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2008, 06:00:03 PM »
They have an atheist summer camp....good...they can quit f***ing with the Boy Scouts.
It's ok JR we in the scouts pretty much ignore them anyway! :-)

I mean bringing suits, you know, the church and state Shiite. The Boy Scouts around here are usually spnsored by a church and they do say a prayer once in awhile. So, the local idiots worry about lawsuits, no scout use of government buildings etc.. When I was a kid, the whole county (small population), every scout in the county, every troop, would meet at the courthouse for 'Court of Honor'. Hey, we thought it was a big deal getting merit badges in the courthouse in front of everyone else. Now it's just individual troops doing it by themselves.

I really got pissed with the school last year. My son had been making good grades, been on the academic challenge team, no behavioral marks againist him and so on. He had earned several "Dress Down Days" when he could wear something other than the usual school uniform. He had just earned his First Class rank and a few merit badges and he was so proud he wanted to wear his scout uniform to school. I made a special trip to carry him to school that morning, keep the uniform neat and clean. I walked in the back door at home and the phone was ringing, "Hey Daddy. Come get me. They won't let me wear my scout uniform to school". From some of the stuff I've seen'em wearing for dress down day and they won't let my son wear a scout uniform,.....I was primed and ready but the Principal "wasn't" there when I got back to the schoolhouse. I just took some other clothes and he changed in the teaches lounge.

I'm going to brag a little. Son has forefilled all the requirements for star now (time, leadership position, community service and merit badges). He'll get it in Sept. at the next court of honor. He has enough of the Eagle required badges that all he needs is community service time to get the rank of Life Scout. He's 5 badges, time, and his eagle project short of being an Eagle Scout. If he stays on course he'll be an Eagle Scout a few weeks after turning 14. Right now he's an asst. patrol leader and asst. chaplin but they're going to move him up the ladder come sept.. He's going off this weekend for his Order of the Arrow Ordeal and if he can twist the preachers arm enough, complete his God and Country Award next week before school starts. God and Country is what they called it 50 years ago when I was in the Scouts. I think they might call it something else now. I would ask him but he's not here right now. He's an asst. 'something are other' this week at church for vacation bible school.

OK, so he ain't a chip off the old block. He's all mine, believe me, all mine. The milkman had nothing to do with it. :-)         
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